Multiple VSPs within a VSP

RickMen · Post by **RickMen** » Wed Jun 03, 2009 4:39 am

I am doing a kids' soccer team highlights clip for the soccer mums & dads. I have a complex project (lots of different types of edits, effects, overlays etc) and 1 way of managing it was to the break the project down into various (sub) projects and then insert these (sub) projects into the main project. There could be up to 4 - 12 (sub) projects forming the overall project. My question is whether there are an issues with having many (sub) projects within an overall project? Are there rendering /burning issues? By the way, I'm editing in TOD HD MPEG2 format and will have to have a HD version for those parents with the capability but I will also need to downconvert to SD for those parents without HD capabilities.

Trevor Andrew · Post by **Trevor Andrew** » Wed Jun 03, 2009 10:02 am

Hi

Known as ¡¥nesting¡¦
I don¡¦t use this process but prefer to render the sub project to a video file, (use Batch Convert) then add the video files to a main project.

If you do take the nesting approach, make sure you have completed the sub project editing.
Do not re-edit the sub projects once they have been inserted to the main project.

As you require different video versions HD and SD, I assume you would be doing Share Create Video File first, rather than rendering in the burner module.
Using the final files to burn the DVD¡¦s.

RickMen · Post by **RickMen** » Thu Jun 04, 2009 6:32 am

Thanks Trevor,

Why do you render the (sub) project as opposed to inserting it?

I have now searched the board and it appears that there are quality issues with the final rendered project if it has (sub) projects inserted. Is this what you found?

Post by **Ron P.** » Thu Jun 04, 2009 6:36 am

If you render the sub-project to a DVD Compliant MPEG-2, and in the burn stage have the option checked to Not convert DVD Compliant MPEG-2 files, then there should not be any noticeable degradation. VS should not recode any of those files.

Black Lab · Post by **Black Lab** » Thu Jun 04, 2009 12:59 pm

Why do you render the (sub) project as opposed to inserting it?

When I tried nesting, back with v9 or v10, I didn't like the quality of the nested clip. So I usually use the same method as Trevor, rendering my clips to another video file (DV-AVI), then inserting that into my project.

Trevor Andrew · Post by **Trevor Andrew** » Thu Jun 04, 2009 7:00 pm

RickMen wrote:Thanks Trevor,

Why do you render the (sub) project as opposed to inserting it?

Hi RickMen

Because that¡¦s what I have always done from the early days when it was not possible to insert a VSP into a VSP.
Besides there¡¦s been many users finding problems with the process.

Also I am not sure that Ulead/Corel document the process.
Although VS allows nesting I am not sure that it has been particularly designed to do that, although maybe I¡¦m wrong there.

Quality wise I cannot comment, but believe Jeff when he says had problems.

Don¡¦t get me wrong, I have tested the process to find that some vsp¡¦s just don¡¦t like being nested.
So I stick to my tried and trusted methods. I don¡¦t even render a VSP in the burner module always creating a video file first, its just the way I work.
Creating video file s first allows me to check quality before burning a DVD.

As I mentioned earlier, if you intend to make HD and SD versions it will be best to create the video files first before burning the DVD¡¦s.

Hope this helps

Post by **jparnold** » Fri Jun 05, 2009 2:55 am

I read with much interest this post as I have recently tried (still in the final editing stage) creating a DVD using multiple projects. I did this as most of my projects are from around 2-3 hours of raw video footage containing hundreds if not thousands of clips (eg video of a tour).
In the past I have created a single project and I start with the first one hour (tape), edit, add next hour (tape) edit etc however even though many clips end up on the 'cutting room floor' the project is LARGE and takes a LONG time to load.
I decided to break down the total video into DAYS (of the tour) each day being a separate project and is MUCH more manageable.
I have yet to complete and burn the entire 'project' but now after reading the replies I am unsure which is the best/easiest methods.
It seem to me I have the following options -
1) Rendering separate video files from each project and adding them to a a video - this naturally creates CHAPTERS which I may or may not require.
2) Doing as in 1) above and then using Vidoman's suggestion
OR
3) Creating a project containing all the sub projects.

Anyone want to advise? Is there any degradation with any of these methods?
Thanks

Trevor Andrew · Post by **Trevor Andrew** » Fri Jun 05, 2009 9:38 am

Hi

I work a bit like this.

1 / Create a project for each day.
2 / Render the projects to a single video file, if your source is Dv.avi then use that format.
3 / Add the individual video to a new project. The final cut.
4/ Add titles to start and ends.
5 / Render to final video (mpeg2).

Share Create Disc ¡VAdd Video

Post by **jparnold** » Fri Jun 05, 2009 12:15 pm

Hi Trevor
Thanks for your input.

I am not sure though how to go about

Render the projects to a single video file

. How do you create a single rendered video file from multiple projects? All I can think of is that each project is added to the timeline of a new project.

Black Lab · Post by **Black Lab** » Fri Jun 05, 2009 1:30 pm

How do you create a single rendered video file from multiple projects? All I can think of is that each project is added to the timeline of a new project.

Exactly.

I have done it both ways. Like Trevor I have taken multiple projects and added them to a new project to make one large video file. I usually use this method if I have no need for a menu. The video simply plays from beginning to end.

I have also taken multiple projects and simply added them at the burn stage as separate titles, each with their own thumbnail on the menu so the viewer can pick and choose what he wants to watch.

Post by **Ken Berry** » Fri Jun 05, 2009 1:31 pm

I think what was meant was to render EACH project to a single video file... At least, that is what I do...

Trevor Andrew · Post by **Trevor Andrew** » Fri Jun 05, 2009 2:20 pm

Hi John

A little bit more info:-
My latest project is five hours worth of recordings taken over a recent cruise. (Panasonic GS400 to DV-Avi¡XFive tapes.)
Starting in Beijing, Japan, Russia, and on to Alaska. A trip of a lifetime you might say.
In addition my wife has taken some 2000 images, some of which will be made into slide shows to compliment the video.
I intend to capture the first tape to DV-Avi, editing the first hour. (tape 1.VSP)
I will split this project into sections, saving each as a separate project, a full days shooting or a particular events. (China 1.VSP¡XChina 2.VSP etc) (I select a name that windows will list in order)
I may end up with several VSP¡¦s for this first tape.

Repeat the process for the other tapes and I end up with a lot of small completed projects.

The projects are rendered Share Create Video File or using Batch Convert I can also render all the project into their respective video files.
I use DV-Avi settings as that¡¦s the video capture settings. Saved to a folder called ¡¥Completed AVI¡¦
Now I have individual Video Files in DV-Avi, all I have to do is stitch them together (for want of a better description.)

Starting a new project I add my video files to the timeline, I save the project as (all.VSP)
Not forgetting the slide shows, they may get intermingled or burned to DVD on their own. How the mood takes me.

Now I know exactly how long my final movie will be.
This holiday may require two DVD¡¦s, in fact I may have to consider Duel Layer discs.

I can add titles to identify the beginning and ends of events.
Add additional audio if required.

Now I render the project to Mpeg 2(Pal-DVD), knowing the total length I can select the correct bit rate to fit to DVD.
(In fact I use the Make Movie Manager to create my own templates.)

I then use Share Create Disc¡XAdd Video File. (in a new project called Burn Holiday)
Create menu and burn a DVD
Job done.

But not this week its gonna take a while.

I¡¦m sure your workflow is very similar, and I am aware you are trailing the VSP nesting option.
The only difference is I create the video file first.