Different behaviour of sound during transitions

[Trevor Andrew]

Hi Raphael

A while since your last post
Now that I have X2 I have tried to simulate your audio problem without success.

Can you create the same effect using the libraries default audio clips.
If yes can you e-mail the VSP, I will have a look and view exactly what you have set.

By the way there was a simular problem with version 8, but that was a long time back, ulead at the time issued a fix.

[johnfong]

my rendered dvd also have the same problems,when under preview every
sound check is smooth.But rendered dvd will have sounds problems as mentions
here,like X2 will not render your audio properly.(audio transitions blip? )

[Trevor Andrew]

Hi

What type of video files are you using in your project?
Or is the problem related to audio files/clips?

Please check that you have Apply Audio Cross-Fade Automatically from File-Preferences-Edit tab.

[rpungin]

Let's see FCE can be had for only $199 (US), yep pretty fair comparison. I wonder why they charge $100 more for it?

All these $70 upgrades for Video Studio soon add up to the price of Final Cut Express...

[Black Lab]

[Frontier]

Hi there

I'm also experiencing the exact same issue when applying any transition - the audio is boosted whenever a transition is in effect. I've tried this in both X2 and X3. I second that it's a shame that the program has bugs like this, because it seems like a very promising program.

Other programs might be more expensive, some are cheaper. I've been a Pinnacle user for many years, but since I have recently switched to HD, I've beenn searching for a new video editor to buy, which supports smart encoding AND just works. Sime crossfade between 2 video clips is like the first thing we all try and need...so that simpply needs to work.

I have also noticed:
- if one encodes to DVD MPEG with less than 8Mbit (say 7Mbit), nasty MPEG pixelation occurs (quality is less than what CCE basic does at half that bitrate).
- Capturing video simply doesn't work. Capturing with HDVsplit simply works, thanks for the tip elsewhere in this forum (PS: I have a Sony HDR-HC9e).
- If people want to insert a titlepage without any text (because they want a black page), LET THEM DO IT (rather than forcing them to select a colour-page).
- In Pinnacle Studio, which costs a lot less, if you want to change the audio level, you can insert audio level changes directly on the time line - anyway you want it. This allows an easy way to make audio higher, lower and any type of lead-in or lead-out that one wants.
- Last: I know it's a matter of personl taste, but the transitions in Pinnacle studio appear a lot more professional-like, where many of the transitions in X2/X3 is like looking at the MS Office clipart (looks cheap/cheasy/outdated).

Those who have standard-resolution cameras, use WinDV for capturing - simple, free and it works

[Frontier]

How to see the audio bug in X2 / X3
- Start a new project.
- Add a piece of graphic, use any colour.
- Now add any MPEG2 video, with audio, after that piece of graphic.
- Apply a simple crossfade between the 2.
- Play back the project...and notice how the audio is boosted to 130% or more when the transition is in effect.

How did this bug slip by beta testing? And how on earth did it manage to slip into VS X3?!?

[Ron P.]

In Pinnacle Studio, which costs a lot less, if you want to change the audio level, you can insert audio level changes directly on the time line - anyway you want it. This allows an easy way to make audio higher, lower and any type of lead-in or lead-out that one wants.
- Last: I know it's a matter of personl taste, but the transitions in Pinnacle studio appear a lot more professional-like, where many of the transitions in X2/X3 is like looking at the MS Office clipart (looks cheap/cheasy/outdated).

Some of us think that Pinnacle doesn't work properly and their transitions look like they were created by kindergarten students. It's just a matter of what you like.

I've tried to replicate your audio boost bug. However can not. How did you arrive at the 130% boost figure? Is it just a guess on your part? It does not do so now, and did not while being tested.

Reading your only posts here, you simply don't like the product. You prefer Pinnacle, so use it. No one forces you to use VS. Just don't come on here with the sole intention of bashing.

There's problems with the program, and they are being addressed. If you have taken the time to read some of the other posts, you'll find that there are things about the program that us old-time users from the Ulead brand simply don't like. Corel is paying attention, I know this for a fact. If you are genuine about liking the program, and are wanting to use it, just be patient.

[Frontier]

I'm posting here, so that the errors might be fixed. Also, I'll upload a sample of how the bug "sounds".

The 130% is a pure guess on my part. It's probably more, given how the human ear is able to percieve differences in audio levels.

I'm not a Pinnacle addict - the program has frozen on me more times than any other program, but being the only real alternative that I have come across which has a very intuitive interface, nice effects and an ease of use I have only seen in Adobe Photoshop (where any tool can be used in a great number of ways, rather than a few fixed ways). Pinnacle has, however, very poor support for MPEG2 + everything gets recoded, I'm now looking for a decent alternative which will do smart rendering with HD material. If VideoStudio didn't have the bugs, someof which other people have experienced too, I would have bought the program instantly.

Thus I have reported all what I have experienced with VideoStudio, in the hope that some Corel/Ulead people actually read posts like these, and fix the bugs. Being a programmer my self, I also know that many times, applications are put out long before they should have...and it's not because of the programmers.

So far, Corel is the best alternative when it comes to near-zero-loss editing (smart rendering) that I have come across...which is damned good, considering we're talking about already encoded MPEG2. It just has some very annoying bugs which are in the way of me recommending the program to my clients. And the ease of use when speaking encding MPEG2, is far easier than Pinnacle, which has a lousy MPEG encoder + it has spitted out non-compliant MPEG streams for many years (in my experience), and it's usually around the same problems as in VideoStudio - when using transitions. And this is why I have gladly played for CinemaCraft MPEG encoder basic - damned good and also cheap encoder for DVD material

[Black Lab]

I have also noticed:
- if one encodes to DVD MPEG with less than 8Mbit (say 7Mbit), nasty MPEG pixelation occurs (quality is less than what CCE basic does at half that bitrate).
I always use 7mbps and have no pixelation.
- Capturing video simply doesn't work. Capturing with HDVsplit simply works, thanks for the tip elsewhere in this forum (PS: I have a Sony HDR-HC9e).
- If people want to insert a titlepage without any text (because they want a black page), LET THEM DO IT (rather than forcing them to select a colour-page).
As Ron states, this is one of those things that is just a matter of what you like. I have no problem with the process.
- In Pinnacle Studio, which costs a lot less, if you want to change the audio level, you can insert audio level changes directly on the time line - anyway you want it. This allows an easy way to make audio higher, lower and any type of lead-in or lead-out that one wants.
You can change audio levels directly on the timeline in VS by switching to Audio view.
- Last: I know it's a matter of personl taste, but the transitions in Pinnacle studio appear a lot more professional-like, where many of the transitions in X2/X3 is like looking at the MS Office clipart (looks cheap/cheasy/outdated).
I like the quality of VS transitions. As for them being "professional-like", when do you ever see a professional use a transition other than a crossfade?

I'm not discounting the fact that you, personally, might be having problems. But these issues are not bugs. If you would like to create separate threads for the issues you are having we will help you to resolve them.

[Trevor Andrew]

Hi Frontier

Using VS X2 -- I have tried to simulate your audio problem using your process.

It works ok, there is no increase in audio levels

If I view in ¡¥Audio View¡¦ I see the volume levels which look normal.

Frontier, have you manually updated Direct X. There is a link at the top of this forum.

The manual approach does fix some problems with X2 that the windows auto update doesn¡¦t.


What operating system are you using?

Can you update your profile to include your PC¡¦s information.