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Best way to join AVI clips for Slow Motion?
Posted: Thu Apr 16, 2009 5:53 pm
by johnrr6
I am a HS baseball coach that uses VideoStudio X2 for capture and editing of game films. Using Panasonic consumer grade miniDV camcorders exclusively.
I tried the newer hard drive camcorders-----but the compression schemes in the hard drive camcorders make for
AWFUL slow motion analysis----and the Panasonic minDV camcorders have the ability to step up shutter speed to nice settings like 1/2000----which is essential for slow motion.
For slow motion analysis I use Pro Trainer from a company called Sports Motion:
http://www.sportsmotion.com/ ----and this program works absolutely best with high shutter speed minDV .avi files in either Type 1 or Type 2.
I use X2 Pro to capture (and this appears to capture in AVI DV Type1 Format)
And I archive the clips to a separate External USB Drive.
Anyway----after that little background-----my questions are:
1. After I tape a game (mainly hitters)-----I capture all the tapes with scene detection on to my USB drive-----this creates an entire series of clips basically with one clip being the bottom of an inning----and the next clip being the top of the inning. I want to easily combine different series of clips without reencoding. In other words----I want to take all the clips of opposing hitters and just combine them into one clip without reencoding or rendering----for import into my slow motion program-----so we can prepare better the next time we face that team.
Is there an easy way to combine and link clips into one file without reencoding or re-rendering?
2.
Is there any way to change how VideoStudio automatically names captured clips so that both date and time show up? It currently names it uvs********* with just date and a number. It would be wonderful if I could automatically capture with a Game Name-Date-Time sequence. I currently have to use a little freeware utility that works very well from Paul Glaga called dvDate
http://paul.glagla.free.fr/dvdate_en.htm
3.
Lastly---Is there something better out there that might do all of the above----easier and better? I'm all for easier and better.....
Thanks for any help or suggestions.
John
Re: Best way to join AVI clips for Slow Motion?
Posted: Thu Apr 16, 2009 6:06 pm
by Black Lab
johnrr6 wrote:I am a HS baseball coach that uses VideoStudio X2 for capture and editing of game films. Using Panasonic consumer grade miniDV camcorders exclusively.
I tried the newer hard drive camcorders-----but the compression schemes in the hard drive camcorders make for
AWFUL slow motion analysis----and the Panasonic minDV camcorders have the ability to step up shutter speed to nice settings like 1/2000----which is essential for slow motion.
For slow motion analysis I use Pro Trainer from a company called Sports Motion:
http://www.sportsmotion.com/ ----and this program works absolutely best with high shutter speed minDV .avi files in either Type 1 or Type 2.
I use X2 Pro to capture (and this appears to capture in AVI DV Type1 Format)
And I archive the clips to a separate External USB Drive.
Anyway----after that little background-----my questions are:
1. After I tape a game (mainly hitters)-----I capture all the tapes with scene detection on to my USB drive-----this creates an entire series of clips basically with one clip being the bottom of an inning----and the next clip being the top of the inning. I want to easily combine different series of clips without reencoding. In other words----I want to take all the clips of opposing hitters and just combine them into one clip without reencoding or rendering----for import into my slow motion program-----so we can prepare better the next time we face that team.
Is there an easy way to combine and link clips into one file without reencoding or re-rendering?
In VS, the only way to join clips is to make them into a new clip. So they will be rendered. Since you are using a mini-dv cam I assume you are capturing is DV-AVI. The good new is that rendering these (to DV-AVI) you should not lose any noticeable quality.
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Is there any way to change how VideoStudio automatically names captured clips so that both date and time show up? It currently names it uvs********* with just date and a number. It would be wonderful if I could automatically capture with a Game Name-Date-Time sequence. I currently have to use a little freeware utility that works very well from Paul Glaga called dvDate
http://paul.glagla.free.fr/dvdate_en.htm
Short answer, no. I see you have found a utility to do what you want. You can also take a look in the General Information forum under Free Stuff for a program that will rename them. Don't know the name of it off the top of my head.
EDIT - Found 'em - http://forum.corel.com/EN/viewtopic.php?t=12931
3.
Lastly---Is there something better out there that might do all of the above----easier and better? I'm all for easier and better.....
Probably, but you didn't say cheaper!
Thanks for any help or suggestions.
John
Baseball coach, eh? What's my kid doing wrong?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GCxocLN7 ... annel_page
Re: Best way to join AVI clips for Slow Motion?
Posted: Thu Apr 16, 2009 6:58 pm
by johnrr6
What's there not to like....
Good feet....
Accurate Arm....
Looks "quick".....
Ran bases Hard!
Bat looked good....
Good technique at the plate
Hard to tell from the highlight clips----but he probably has some trouble getting to a fast ball inside-----based on his hand path.
Seemed like some pitches "jumped" him a bit----bat kind of dragged through the zone.
check his bat size----make sure not too big-----it's no shame to hit with a 31 or 32----although most HS kids want to hit with 33s----it really doesn't matter as long as your bat speed is good on ANY type of pitch.
And his somewhat sidearm throwing motion is more suited to SS and 2nd base.
Other than that----tell him to get a haircut and report to my school ASAP!!!!
I'm at a school with 3000 kids and we play VERY competitive HS baseball. Our area has sent David Wright, Ryan Zimmerman, Michael Cuddayear, B.J. Upton, Justin Upton, Mark Reynolds, Billy Bray, and Josh Rupe all to the pros.
I need every edge I can get and the slow motion video really helps----especially hitters.
Posted: Thu Apr 16, 2009 7:07 pm
by Black Lab
That's good news. That video was from last year, he was a freshman. So hopefully as he gains some strength his bat speed will increase. What should his hand path be? BTW, I think he does use a 31 or 32.
He would rather play SS but that is occupied by a senior this year. Maybe next year.
It's funny that you mention Wright, Zimmerman, et al. Over the winter we purchased the hitting discs that David Wright promotes (can't think of the coach's name). It was nice to be able to do some hitting over the winter in the basement.
I don't know about the haircut though.
Towny Townsend
Posted: Thu Apr 16, 2009 7:23 pm
by johnrr6
Know those disks well!!
If you can hit those----you can hit anything!
Towny Townsend was a legendary AAU coach in this area.....
Basically started up all the AAU programs that many say have had the direct result of ultimately producing pros like Wright.
Died of cancer last year.....
We used host do a spring break HS tournament dedicated to him and to raise funds for his cancer treatments.
Extremely nice and full of passion for young baseball players.
He is missed.....
I know all about waiting your turn....
My two sons played for me and they waited till their Senior year before they saw action. It worked out though----both played behind some really excellent players who also happened to "take them under their wing" ----so they learned a lot----did fine their senior years.
Average players----both off to college now---baseball long behind them. But I'm grateful to baseball because it brought me back together with my sons after so many years away in the Army....
Posted: Sun Apr 19, 2009 1:27 am
by patflan
I want to easily combine different series of clips without reencoding. In other words----I want to take all the clips of opposing hitters and just combine them into one clip without reencoding or rendering----for import into my slow motion program-----so we can prepare better the next time we face that team. Is there an easy way to combine and link clips into one file without reencoding or re-rendering?
As Black Lab says there is no real loss of quality when re-rendering DV-AVI (and I think you also need to ensure you have smart render enabled) but I have read somewhere on these posts a discussion about whether Video-Studio makes some slight changes to the original even though it is not noticeable.
Anyway, whenever I need to join together two DV-AVi clips without involving any changes to the originals I use the Freeware program VirtualDub>
http://www.virtualdub.org/ .
This program's main function is to reprocess video's by the use of freely available filters BUT it also has an excellent facility to join videos together and do simple cuts without any alterations to the originals.
The program has a lot of set-up functions depending on what way you want to process your video files but to simply join two videos together without any processing you must do the following.
FILE >Open video file (Video 1)
FILE >Append Avi Segment (Video 2) - note- this must be from the same source -camera- or same file type.
VIDEO >[ Important] Select DIRECT STREAM COPY rather than default (Full process mode).
You can also make simple cuts with the mark -in and mark-out arrows and simply hit delete on your keyboard to delete the unwanted bit.
To join the two >FILE >Save as AVI.
Is there any way to change how VideoStudio automatically names captured clips so that both date and time show up?
Probably similar to the program you are using but I use STAMP to do this >
http://www.klingebiel.com/tempest/index.php4
This program is for time/date stamping still picture files but it works well with video files too - select custom mode and you can batch change the name files to any date-time format you want.
Posted: Sun Apr 19, 2009 2:58 am
by johnrr6
Thank you!
Funny----I was looking at Virtual Dub when your email came in!!!
I used VideoStudio to test....
Took an entire 7 inning game and was able to quickly combine all the opposing team at-bats into one clip----DV-AVI
Strange though......
While VS captures in DV-AVI Type 1
When it produces something to the profile "DV"-----it renders it into DV-AVI Type 2
I wonder if I can fool around and make a"custom" DV profile that renders automatically into DV-AVI Type 1......
Seems like it would be a waste of space having the extra room required for the separate Audio Track in Type 2....
Since I don't even care about audio as I'm looking at the clips in Slow Motion.....
Also save a little render time----and maybe some quality......
Posted: Sun Apr 19, 2009 5:17 am
by Ron P.
To produce a DV Type-1, just select Custom from the Share>Create Video File menu, then in the Save As file type-AVI, and press the Options button. In the Options dialog go to the AVI tab and set the compression to Type-1. You can also choose to render Video Only, by changing the Data Track found on the General tab. If your Project settings are set to match your first video clip's properties (DV-Type1), you can also just use the Same as Project, when rendering. It should render a Type-1 DV file..
Posted: Sun Apr 19, 2009 3:30 pm
by johnrr6
Thank you!!
I tried the "Save as First Video Clip" setting and it worked like a charm.
Since I don't need audio----I have been manually setting each clip to "mute"....
But I think your way sounds like the best solution----don't even render the audio in the first place....
And would save me the trouble of clicking on each clip and muting them.
Now that I think of it-----I'll bet there is a way to shut off the audio alltogether right at my Panasonic Camcorders.....
I'll look at that....
But maybe also best to have the full version Audio in all the archive tapes as you never know when you'd need it......
A while back----One of our coaches was accused of saying something during a game by some angry parents from the opposing team.....ultimatey was going to get elevated to the Virginia High School League....
Playing back the game film proved he clearly said something ENTIRELY different from what the parents accused him of.....
Go figure....