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INSUFFICIENT MEMORY 19231:11:1

Posted: Thu Mar 05, 2009 8:58 am
by levisurfer501
INSUFFICIENT MEMORY 19231:11:1
Corel VideoStudio 12 (Pro X2)
Hi guys,
I am trying to render a 12 min video at DVD Pal 720*576.
It has a number of dissolves, flashback effects and a couple of filters eg slow motion.
However it gets to around 40% each time I try and render and then I get the Corel message INSUFFICIENT MEMORY 19231:11:1 :(
DMA is enabled,
Paging File (Swap) increased to twice RAM as advised in the Corel Manual, so now 8000mb,
The PC has 4gb RAM
I¡¦m running out of ideas so any suggestions would be appreciated.
Thanks in anticipation, paul

Posted: Thu Mar 05, 2009 9:42 am
by Ron P.
Welcome to the forums,

We're going to need a little more information, like the properties of your source video clips, how you transferred, captured or got them onto your PC, the project settings you're using, and workflow.

Please read this post, and return with as much of the information as possible.
http://forum.corel.com/EN/viewtopic.php?t=8959

Insufficient memory

Posted: Thu Mar 05, 2009 12:28 pm
by levisurfer501
Thanks.
The original source material was Hi8 Analogue video, transferred to a DVD at HQ, then imported from the DVD into VS via the "Import Digital Media" option.
Project Properties:
PAL (25 fps)
MPEG files
24 bits, 720 x 576, 25 fps
Upper Field First
(DVD-PAL), 4:3
When trying to create the video file I have used the options "Same as Projcet settings" ; settings as follows
PAL (25 fps)
MPEG files
24 bits, 720 x 576, 25 fps
Upper Field First
(DVD-PAL), 4:3
Video data rate: Variable (Max. 9282 kbps)
Audio data rate: 384 kbps
Dolby Digital Audio, 48 KHz, 2/0(L,R)

and also "MPEG Optimiser".

Thanks
paul

Insufficient Memory

Posted: Thu Mar 05, 2009 12:52 pm
by levisurfer501
Incidentally, using the very same serttings and the same raw footage I have just completed and rendered satisfatorily a much reduced and edited version at 3min 30 sec. Size 226mb.
Plays fine so could it purely ne the size of the potential 12 minute version?

Posted: Fri Mar 06, 2009 4:19 am
by sjj1805
In your system specifications you list your hard drive as
1743.01 GBUsable HD Capacity; 620.17GB HD free

Is the hard drive partitioned or have you kept it as one large drive?
If you have partitioned it then you could try moving your working folder to the other partition.

Image

Insufficient Memory

Posted: Fri Mar 06, 2009 8:56 am
by levisurfer501
The HD has not been partioned - I am using it as one large drive.
I had considered partitioning it into 2 drives but for some reason Vista will not now allow me to do this - possibly because I have files al over the drive. I have fragmented using a number of different de-fragmenters and they all vary in the time it takes to de-fragement so not too sure how "efficient" they are.
Have also got a 1TB external drive which I have put all the working files on to try but this makes no difference either.
My concern is that this 12 min effort was a "dry" run.
I have hours of video tape transferred to DVD of my holidays in the US over the last 10 years and was going to try and make an hours length project.
I had intended breaking this down into 2 main projects of 30 minutes each but really don't know if VS working with Vista on my system will allow this.

Posted: Fri Mar 06, 2009 12:47 pm
by Ken Berry
While I have no idea what is causing your specific problem, the length of the project has nothing to do with it. A lot of us here have at the very least VS11.5+ and X2 on Vista computers, and we regularly produce both videos and DVDs involving far longer that 3 or 12 minutes. I personally regularly produce DVDs with at least one hour, though usually not more than 1 hr 10 minutes of video on it. And the only reason I don't have longer videos is that I keep high quality properties, and that will allow only about that amount per single layer DVD using Dolby or mpeg layer 2 audio.

Posted: Fri Mar 06, 2009 2:16 pm
by levisurfer501
Thanks for this, but I really am at a loss also.
Hopefully your other 2 colleagues may have some advice.
Without knowingly doing any different today, I tried it again and gor to 89% on 2 occasions and then received the same message. That was after a shutdown overnight and reboot this morning.
There are many people like yourself who have success with VS and I envy you guys as you obviously know how to set your PC up to maximun efficiency and can benefit from VS to the max.
However I must admit now that over the years I have persisted with VS as my preferred programme but never ever really got it to work properly on 3 different PCs. :(
So,unless your mates can come up with options and some words of comfort I think it might be time to finally ditch VS and microsfor and go down the Apple route!

Posted: Fri Mar 06, 2009 10:04 pm
by Ken Berry
Well, I hope someone else can help too, as it would be a shame if you had to ditch not only VS but also PCs to go down the Apple route. (Mind you, the two video editing programs that Apple uses do a marvellous job. I too would love to have Final Cut Pro, but unfortunately, it will only work on full Apples and those Apples which now use Intel processors.)

As for people like me knowing how to tweak our computers to get the best performance out of VS, I hate to tell you that I have been using VS since VS7 on about 6 or 7 successive computers. I have not tweaked any of those computers in any way, yet all versions of VS have worked on that wide variety of computers straight out of the box -- and by box, I mean the computer straight out of its box! So I am afraid the mystery for you deepens...

Posted: Tue Mar 10, 2009 2:20 pm
by 2Dogs
Hi Paul,

sorry to hear you're having problems.
levisurfer501 wrote:The original source material was Hi8 Analogue video, transferred to a DVD at HQ, then imported from the DVD into VS via the "Import Digital Media" option.
I think that Corel have deliberately messed with the MPEG Optimizer and Smart Render from Version 11 on, causing them not to function if the video bitrate is above a certain value - yet that value is well below the permissible limit for the DVD video standard.

I suspect the motivation may be to prevent people smart rendering decrypted commercial footage, but the effect is to make life difficult if you wish to legitimately edit your own DVD recordings.

When I import from a DVD or DVD-VR disc, VS gives a default name to the file, e.g. VS12 might call it _071749~0.mpg. If I try to render that file, I find that neither Smart Render nor the MPEG Optimizer works. If I rename the file, however, removing the "~" tilde symbol, they both do work.

Whilst in VS10, this would always work, with VS11, the MPEG Optimizer will be greyed out, whilst in VS12, it merely shows grey bars, and if you click on the "Show Detail" button of the MPEG Optimizer, it shows the video bitrate (eg VBR - 9800 kbps) in red.

That seems pretty odd when the DVD is fully playable in any set top DVD player or on the pc DVD drive, and the video bitrate, though high, is still within the DVD standard.
levisurfer501 wrote:Project Properties:
PAL (25 fps)
MPEG files
24 bits, 720 x 576, 25 fps
Upper Field First
(DVD-PAL), 4:3
When trying to create the video file I have used the options "Same as Projcet settings" ; settings as follows
PAL (25 fps)
MPEG files
24 bits, 720 x 576, 25 fps
Upper Field First
(DVD-PAL), 4:3
Video data rate: Variable (Max. 9282 kbps)
Audio data rate: 384 kbps
Dolby Digital Audio, 48 KHz, 2/0(L,R)
All those properties look fine - but the video bitrate might be enough to give the MPEG Optimizer a conniption and disable Smart Render.

I suggest you take a short sample video. I might import a single chapter from the DVD, and insert that into a new, blank project. Just click "Yes" when prompted to match the project properties to the inserted video clip.

Then trim the video to just a minute or so in length, and try some test output.

First of all, try using the MPEG Optimizer. If the bars are all green, everything should be fine. If the bars are greyed out, however, click on the "Show Detail" button and look for the video bitrate being highlighted in red.

You might then try to output to a video file with the same properties as the first clip. In the "Create Video File" dialogue box that pops up, click on the "Options..." button and make sure that the "Perform SmartRender" box is checked, which it normally will be by default.

Then try creating the file, but make sure to run "Windows Task Manager" set to the "Performance" tab. The one minute long file should be Smart rendered in just a few seconds, with very low cpu usage shown on Task Manager. If you see substantial cpu usage, and the file takes 40 seconds or more to create, you will know that Smart render is not happening.

To be fair, I'm not sure if the file not being Smart Rendered is causing your "insufficient memory" problem, but I think it's worth investigating. Any parts of your video with filters and transitions will not be Smart rendered anyway. Running Task Manager in the "Performance" tab, you can keep an eye on your resources as VS is working, and it might give a clue as to what is going wrong.

You might try turning Smart render off, too, if the parts of your project that use filters, transitions, titles etc make up a substantial portion of the project. I do find that VS12 renders mpeg2 faster than VS10. My old P4 2.8c, which used to render a one minute mpeg2 file in 1.5 minutes with earlier versions of VS can now just about do it in real time.

Like Ken, I've never had much trouble with all of the versions of VS from 7SE onwards, but I'm really hacked off with this apparently built-in refusal of VS to Smart render higher bitrate video! :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil:

Insufficient memory

Posted: Tue Mar 24, 2009 9:18 am
by Isis
I am not smart with computer set ups or even with VS, just learning as I go and I guess this forum is about offering a solution that we have found even if we don't know why.
So, for me when I get the insufficient memory message I defragment my computer, close down then start again on the project. It has always worked then.
Regards,
Cheryl

Posted: Tue Mar 24, 2009 12:16 pm
by sjj1805
Isis

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Posted: Thu Mar 26, 2009 1:23 pm
by Isis
Thank you for the 'how to' on updating specifications - that has now been completed.
Cheryl

Posted: Thu Mar 26, 2009 6:30 pm
by DVDDoug
:evil: I never believe the "insufficient memory" message! Windows uses the hard drive for virtual memory if the RAM is full... When you get this message, I think it means Video Studio is "confused".

Most "weird problems" happen when Video Studio is having a problem with one (or more) of your audio/video files... The file might be corrupted, or it might just be a "difficult" format.

If you have a "good" DV/AVI file from a MiniDV camera, you are unlikely to run-across these problems. But, if your video comes from a "still" camera that records to a highly-compressed video format, or if you download video from the Internet, you are more likely to have trouble.