Rendering Time for VS 10+

[dsigmon]

Hi

I'm new here to the forum & new to video editing. I have VS 10+.
I'm using an older version because my computer OS is Win2K.

I have a Sony HDR-SR5 camcorder HDD media. I've recorded a video in HQ SD mode which is 740 X 480. I upload the vids to my PC & use Sony's Picture Motion Browser to convert the files to a usable MPEG format. I import them into VS 10+ through the library.

Here are the properties for the imported vid clips:
File
File Format= NTSC DVD
File Size= 59328 KB

Video
Video= MPEG-2 Upper Field First
Attributes = 24 Bits 720 X 480 4:3
Frame Rate= 29.970 frames/sec
Data Rate= Variable Bit Rate (Max 9100 KBPS)

Audio
Audio Type= Dolby Digital Audio
Total Samples= 2546547
Attributes= 48000 Hz 5.1 Channel
Layer= None
Bit Rate= 448kbps

When I started the project, I made these changes in the "Project Properties" dialoge box.

'General" tab=
Changed "Frame Type" to "Upper Field First"
"Frame Rate" & "Frame Size" are same as clip

"Compression" tab
"Media Type" is set to "NTSCDVD" Should This Be set to "MPEG-2"?
Under the "Speed" heading "Video Data Rate" is set on "Variable 6000kbps"
"Audio Format" defaulted to "LPCM" Should this be set to "MPEG-2?

I have created a one minute 20 second video that has 4 titles, 4 video clips, one transition effect, & one .wav audio track & 2 still images captured from a clip and one filter to brighten a 10 sec clip.

I'm making a video to put on my website. When I render this by using "Create a Video File" under the "Share" tab, I select "Same as First Video Clip".

This File will render in about 2:30 minutes. I can play this file by clicking on it & Windows Media Player 9 plays it just fine. I tried to open the clip in Quick Time Player but it won't play. The error message says it is not a movie file. Any ideas why?

When I try to render to any other format like MPEG-1 352 X 240 which is better for Website use, It renders quickly all the way to 99% and it sits there for a long time.

My question is: How long should a clip like this take to render to another format?



Can you give me a ball park idea on how long it should take? 10Min, 5 hrs, 2 days?

Here are my PC specs:
Win2K SP4 OS
AMD Athlon 64 3000+ 1.8Ghz processor
MSI K8N Neo Platinum NVIDIA NFORCE 3 chipset mainboard
Ati Radeon 9250 VCard 64MB
512 MB Ram
VS 10+ loaded on 40GB boot Drive
80 GB Scratch Disk for working file 33Gb Free space
Have made all optimizations on HDD drives per Ulead instructions


When rendering to another format other than native it gets to 99% & sits for a long time. I'm not sure if it is hanging up or if it is just processing the file.

I've opened windows Task Mgr & checked CPU usage during this idle state & it says CPU usage 0 but memory usage is 640500. I've waited as long as 2 hrs during this state & given up. Am I waiting long enough?. Am I doing something else wrong?

Please give a rookie some advice.
Thanks

[2Dogs]

That's a whole bunch of questions!

When you insert your video into a new project, you should be prompted to set the project settings to match the clip. If you do that, the clip can be "Smart Rendered" which will happen in a fraction of the run time of the video.

If you don't get a pop-up message to that effect, just try creating a video file and selecting "same as first clip" - and see how quickly that happens.

For example, on my old P4 2.8c desktop pc, significantly slower than your Athlon, I can smart render a 60 second clip in about 5 seconds or less. So you should make sure that you maintain the video properties. It will also maximise the picture quality of your output too.

The NTSC DVD option will output to mpeg2.

LPCM refers to the audio, and is uncompressed audio. You can select that if you want, but if you are using a video bitrate of 9100kbps to match your source camcorder video properties, you will need to use some sort of compressed audio, since the DVD standard only allows a combined video and audio bitrate of just over 10,000kbps. You would ordinarily select Dolby Digital in NTSC land for the compressed audio type, and plain old 2.0 for stereo if you're not doing anything fancy aimed at home theatre systems.

Although you won't be able to improve the sound from your camcorder by using a higher audio bitrate, it might make a noticeable improvement to added music on the audio track - you might use 256kbps to 384kbps for the audio bitrate.

Hope that gets you started!

[Ken Berry]

The error message says it is not a movie file. Any ideas why?

QuickTime player plays 'movie' files with the .mov extension. That is probably why it would not play yours since it was not in the right format.

[Black Lab]

If you don't get a pop-up message to that effect, just try creating a video file and selecting "same as first clip" - and see how quickly that happens.

Just clarifying for the OP, so correct me if I am wrong, but this only pertains if one of your clips is, in fact, the first clip. If you have, say, a black color clip first (to fade in from), then that negates the "same as first clip" setting.

[2Dogs]

Just clarifying for the OP, so correct me if I am wrong, but this only pertains if one of your clips is, in fact, the first clip. If you have, say, a black color clip first (to fade in from), then that negates the "same as first clip" setting.

Well you kept me away from my work for another ten minutes Jeff!

I find that inserting a colour clip at the start of the project does not prompt the message to match properties. Then inserting a DV avi or mpeg2 video clip after the colour clip does cause the prompt to pop up.

Then, when creating a video file, selecting "Same as First Video Clip" does in fact match the video clip rather than the colour clip.

Happy days!

(and back to work now... )

[dsigmon]

You are right, I didn't get the message either because of first color clip.

So does VS always match the right specs in all fields?

For example are the questions in red above the correct settings?

Could that be the reason why my PC hangs up at 99% during rendering?

[2Dogs]

So does VS always match the right specs in all fields?

When you select "Same as first Video Clip" it will match all the settings.

For example are the questions in red above the correct settings?

There are too many questions, some of them ambiguous. You've had answers to most of them in the replies thus far.

Could that be the reason why my PC hangs up at 99% during rendering?

It's unlikely. That's more usually caused by some pc setup issue or a corrupted install of VS. You can search this forum for similar posts on pc hangs. There are lots of things you need to be sure of to eliminate your pc as the cause, so it's just not possible to pin it down with the information we have so far.

[Black Lab]

Good to know!

[Trevor Andrew]

If you don't get a pop-up message to that effect, just try creating a video file and selecting "same as first clip" - and see how quickly that happens.

Just clarifying for the OP, so correct me if I am wrong, but this only pertains if one of your clips is, in fact, the first clip. If you have, say, a black color clip first (to fade in from), then that negates the "same as first clip" setting.

Hi Jeff
I think I have to correct you, yes you are wrong.

You add a colour clip to the time line then add a video file.
Share create video file¡X'same as first clip' will use the properties of the first Video clip. The colour clip being ignored.

[Black Lab]

Yes, 2Dogs beat you to it. I stand corrected.