X2 Pro Patch and AVCHD

Post by **Ken Berry** » Mon Jan 12, 2009 11:49 pm

Yes, I suspect that is precisely what it is. AVCHD uses the 'long GOP' set up and not standard def and its i-frame etc arrangement.

EDIT: By the way, looking more closely at my version number, I notice that it actually has Ultimate to the right of 12.0.96.1 so that might explain it...

bankroot · Post by **bankroot** » Wed Jan 14, 2009 8:33 am

I have just patched my X2 and now AVCHD editing is POSSIBLE.
There is no freezing or jerkiness during playing the clips.
I have no experience with transition problems (mentioned by dalemccl), because I ran away from X2 to Cyberlin application a months ago (I had no patience to wait for patch so long

).
Anyway, as for editing I can see big improvement.

cheers

Przemek · Post by **Przemek** » Wed Jan 14, 2009 10:12 am

I patched the X2 as well. Editing is much easier, that's true, but... the glitches are still there. I double checked it on ps3 - frame by frame and the first frame after the transition is actually the one before so it is something like 123434). I could clearly see a hand moving back one frame (checked it with 4 different clips with the same result).
Now, I'm kind of lost, 'cos most of you report that the glitches have disappeared. Must admit that they are smaller, but detectable.
Przemek

Post by **Ken Berry** » Wed Jan 14, 2009 12:32 pm

What camera are you using -- as you will see above, in my experiments, there were no blips in only two of my three experiments, with the video coming from three difference cameras.

Przemek · Post by **Przemek** » Wed Jan 14, 2009 5:08 pm

I use HF100. I recorded 4 clips on an AVCHD disk - about 60 seconds. I used cross-fade transitions and the smart-render was on. When I get from work, I'm going to give it another try but this time without it. Will post the result.
Przemek

cgould · Post by **cgould** » Wed Jan 14, 2009 6:02 pm

I have seen something similar in Cyberlink PD7 trial, smart-rendering HDV clips (not even AVCHD)... it does the same back-up hiccup before transitions. My unpatched VS X2 does not do this, although it's much slower smart-rendering from M2T than PD7 was. Time or quality, pick one, sigh... obviously have to pick quality, so I'm sticking w/ VS X2. I'll try to download the patch and see if it improves anything but doubtful.

Just wanted to share that this may be some generic long-GOP difficulty, and not just w/ AVCHD nor VS alone..

Przemek · Post by **Przemek** » Wed Jan 14, 2009 7:38 pm

Hi again
I've just recorded an AVCHD file, properties same as the first clip, without smart-render and the result is exactly the same as in the case of AVCHD disk but with smart-render

The are small but detectable glitches - one frame after the transition moves back.
The footage was filmed in 1980x1080, 60i, it is an NTSC camera and both the file and the disc were recorded in NTSC.
Przemek

dalemccl · Post by **dalemccl** » Wed Jan 14, 2009 9:23 pm

Przemek wrote:Hi again
I've just recorded an AVCHD file, properties same as the first clip, without smart-render and the result is exactly the same as in the case of AVCHD disk but with smart-render
The are small but detectable glitches - one frame after the transition moves back.
The footage was filmed in 1980x1080, 60i, it is an NTSC camera and both the file and the disc were recorded in NTSC.
Przemek

As I reported earlier in the thread, I get the exact same "jump-back-one-frame" transition glitch with my Sony SR-11's 1920x1080 60i NTSC AVCHD clips. (I am using fade-to-black transitions.) I also get a similar looking glitch when placing titles over video clips, although I haven't checked it frame-by-frame yet to see if it is jumping back one frame like it does with transitions.

So that is a Sony and a Canon both with the same problem, even after the patch. And Ken said he saw a transition glitch with a Panasonic, although it looked like a brief freeze instead of a one frame jump-back. It seems that Corel has more work to do.

michal_h · Post by **michal_h** » Thu Jan 15, 2009 10:05 am

I have patched CVS Pro X2 and have still the same problem with glitches (reported by dalemccl and Przemek)

bankroot · Post by **bankroot** » Fri Jan 16, 2009 12:44 pm

do not be ungry Michal

Nobody says that the new patch will improve this "glitch feature" (see list below):

Compatibility Improvements:

* K-Lite codec pack now works properly when creating FLV files
* Program now successfully converts JVC® GZ HD-30 files
* JVC GZ HD-30 files now import correctly
* MP4 file insertion now works as expected
* Program now successfully plays clips captured by Sanyo CG65
* Files captured by Samsung NV24HD can now be imported correctly
* HDV now writes edited projects correctly
* H.264(MPEG-TS) Audio now plays correctly
* AverMedia volar MTV H.264 MPEG-4 files are now inserted as expected
* H.264 file playback performance for AVCHD™ clips is enhanced
* Program now includes support for Kworld USB capture device

User Experience Improvements

* Imported DVD subtitles are now clearer
* Painting Creator playback performance is enhanced
* Some special characters no longer cause template errors in Spanish version
* Movie Wizard Template errors are corrected

pwholzel · Post by **pwholzel** » Tue Jan 20, 2009 11:18 pm

Bankroot and Michael, are you still seeing the glitches even on simple cuts? Or has the patch fixed those, and are you only seeing the glitches when transitions are introduced between cuts. I will install tonight and try it out with my HF100.

babdi · Post by **babdi** » Wed Jan 21, 2009 2:16 am

Mine shows 12.0.98.1 Pro

. I am running windows XP 64

michal_h · Post by **michal_h** » Wed Jan 21, 2009 9:56 am

pwholzel wrote:Bankroot and Michael, are you still seeing the glitches even on simple cuts? Or has the patch fixed those, and are you only seeing the glitches when transitions are introduced between cuts. I will install tonight and try it out with my HF100.

hi,
I can see the glitches only if I use some transitions. Simple cuts are OK.

pwholzel · Post by **pwholzel** » Wed Jan 21, 2009 8:38 pm

I did a quick test of the VSX2 patch on HF100 60i footage, and it appears that the blips between simple cuts (with no transitions) are no longer appearing.

I want to do a more intense test when I have time. Has anyone else been able to verify this? Although it's a shame that transitions have blips, at least it appears that simple cuts will be okay, which would be a major improvement.

Post by **Ken Berry** » Wed Jan 21, 2009 9:59 pm

The problem is that I don't recall anyone complaining about blips between straight cuts before -- only blips when transitions are added.