VBR the key?
Posted: Sun Jan 11, 2009 10:54 pm
I been burning CD's and DVD's since the burners were 1X and $1000. I've learned a few things since then.
1- Burning slower, doesn't always work.
2- Cheap disc, aren't the same; as "A" class disc.
3- What you see, may not really work.
4- Two pass conversion, may not look better in all cases.
5- I seen VBR look better, than a CBR at it's highest rate.
6- You get what you pay for, in most cases.
What got me into DVD videos? False advertising. "Make Hollywood type DVD's", on your DVD burner. I still had a USB 1.1 motherboard. Now $$$$ of dollars later; I'm trying to make my DVD's or BD's look as good as my HDef camcorder, without it rendering anything.
Some answers to above.
1- Going direct to my DVD burner, making a AVCHD disc; the first time, I didn't set the DVD speed; which was at max. DVD worked. But saw laser banding on the DVD. Next time, I lowered the setting to 4X (16X disc); the disc fought the burner, until it failed. Thought my burner burned out, until I tried the next day; @12X. Good working AVCHD disc, stilll some laser banding though. So much for lower speed. Made 2 coasters, and messed up, my erasable DVD. had to erase, on another computer.
2- Use to use; cheapest disc, until I saw dropouts. Now sticking with TY.
3- Typing the VBR settings on X2; is a joke. It should be two settings; low and high. VS11 had a thread, where you could change 3 settings of the VBR. The low, average and high. Would have been great; but it didn't really work either.
4- I tried the two pass rendering with a AVCHD file. Took longer, video files was smaller, pixeling was worst.
5- I didn't believe it; but it looked like it to me. I use VBR always now.
6- The main thing I found out; is the rendering engine, is what makes the videos. Why my last video was not made with VS11. I could not get the quality video, I wanted with it. Hollywood, was putting 2+ hours; on a single layer disc. People was telling me, it was multi-pass; but that wasn't it. I took a 2+ hour single layer DVD and watched to see what they were doing. I then saw, the VBR went all the way down to 4000, and up to around 9000, depending on the scene; saving lots of bits. Uleads' encoder does not vary that much. Around 12000, it only drops to 9000; imagine if it went down to 4000 or lower. To put my 2 hour video, on a single layer disc; I had to buy; a more expensive editing program. Imagine how much video we could get on a AVCHD disc, if Ulead had a better encoder. One that drop down to 4000 VBR, and up to where we set the max? Yes, you get what you pay for; but why have a misleading feature; that never reaches the maximum stated bitrate? Low & high; would have been just fine, and not misleading. Me, like other people; have wasted time; on typing in bitrates, that made no changes at all. And yes I would pay more (not over $700; new HD camcorder prices) for a video encoder, that we can really adjust the lowest, average and peak bit rate. Because that's how hollywood does it. Plus, there are others; where you can adjust the bitrates, where it is not that important. That's my VS X2 wish. Why am I not using my more expensive AVCHD editing program; and bought the X2? It doesn't make AVCHD disc, and it just started letting you do blu-ray burning; without the extra $$$. Great from the people; who made Blu-Ray. What I need now from Corel, is a real rendering engine; of more than a difference of; 2000 in VBR; and a encoder, that doesn't change rates on me; when I make a AVCHD disc, or file; from the timeline. Maybe with other encoding, the bitrate is variable. But with making AVCHD files, disc; there is only two rates; low & high. And there's a problem with the high setting; it reverts back, to the low rate.
1- Burning slower, doesn't always work.
2- Cheap disc, aren't the same; as "A" class disc.
3- What you see, may not really work.
4- Two pass conversion, may not look better in all cases.
5- I seen VBR look better, than a CBR at it's highest rate.
6- You get what you pay for, in most cases.
What got me into DVD videos? False advertising. "Make Hollywood type DVD's", on your DVD burner. I still had a USB 1.1 motherboard. Now $$$$ of dollars later; I'm trying to make my DVD's or BD's look as good as my HDef camcorder, without it rendering anything.
Some answers to above.
1- Going direct to my DVD burner, making a AVCHD disc; the first time, I didn't set the DVD speed; which was at max. DVD worked. But saw laser banding on the DVD. Next time, I lowered the setting to 4X (16X disc); the disc fought the burner, until it failed. Thought my burner burned out, until I tried the next day; @12X. Good working AVCHD disc, stilll some laser banding though. So much for lower speed. Made 2 coasters, and messed up, my erasable DVD. had to erase, on another computer.
2- Use to use; cheapest disc, until I saw dropouts. Now sticking with TY.
3- Typing the VBR settings on X2; is a joke. It should be two settings; low and high. VS11 had a thread, where you could change 3 settings of the VBR. The low, average and high. Would have been great; but it didn't really work either.
4- I tried the two pass rendering with a AVCHD file. Took longer, video files was smaller, pixeling was worst.
5- I didn't believe it; but it looked like it to me. I use VBR always now.
6- The main thing I found out; is the rendering engine, is what makes the videos. Why my last video was not made with VS11. I could not get the quality video, I wanted with it. Hollywood, was putting 2+ hours; on a single layer disc. People was telling me, it was multi-pass; but that wasn't it. I took a 2+ hour single layer DVD and watched to see what they were doing. I then saw, the VBR went all the way down to 4000, and up to around 9000, depending on the scene; saving lots of bits. Uleads' encoder does not vary that much. Around 12000, it only drops to 9000; imagine if it went down to 4000 or lower. To put my 2 hour video, on a single layer disc; I had to buy; a more expensive editing program. Imagine how much video we could get on a AVCHD disc, if Ulead had a better encoder. One that drop down to 4000 VBR, and up to where we set the max? Yes, you get what you pay for; but why have a misleading feature; that never reaches the maximum stated bitrate? Low & high; would have been just fine, and not misleading. Me, like other people; have wasted time; on typing in bitrates, that made no changes at all. And yes I would pay more (not over $700; new HD camcorder prices) for a video encoder, that we can really adjust the lowest, average and peak bit rate. Because that's how hollywood does it. Plus, there are others; where you can adjust the bitrates, where it is not that important. That's my VS X2 wish. Why am I not using my more expensive AVCHD editing program; and bought the X2? It doesn't make AVCHD disc, and it just started letting you do blu-ray burning; without the extra $$$. Great from the people; who made Blu-Ray. What I need now from Corel, is a real rendering engine; of more than a difference of; 2000 in VBR; and a encoder, that doesn't change rates on me; when I make a AVCHD disc, or file; from the timeline. Maybe with other encoding, the bitrate is variable. But with making AVCHD files, disc; there is only two rates; low & high. And there's a problem with the high setting; it reverts back, to the low rate.