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CineForm with VideoStudio

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I call upon a forum of professional, intelligent and mature video enthusiasts for a little help. Although my question is rather newbie-ish, forgive me, I too am in the process of maturing as well, particularly with finer video editing applications.

I have been investigating CineForm. My goodness, this stuff seems like a dream. But, before investing, I'd like to ask, and hopefully it helps others too. :)

Can you tell me which is a compatible, and "working" product for VideoStudio (I just recently upgraded to X2)? I only hear about Adobe products or Vegas, and after a few searches here I'm a bit hazy. I want to use it with VS.

As well, any further guidance on getting the most out of it would really be appreciated as well. :)

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Nice reading. Thank you. :)
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Yes. It would be nice to think that Corel might include a Cineform plug-in in a future version of VS. But I rather doubt it since I suspect the licensing fee would be rather steep. Which probably explains why it is in Vegas -- which of course costs a lot more than VS. I wonder, though, if it is in Vegas Studio, the cut-down version?
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Hi Ken,

I wouldn't think so given that the most inexpensive stand-alone form of CineForm is already higher in price than the software itself. I would expect it to be included in the more "professional" editors, since they are also "priced professionally".

Then again, IMO, editors don't need to really deal with it other than just editing it. I was just curious if VS actually accepts the CineForm stream, as is, into the timeline, and can just simply smart render the result. It looks like it does indeed. :D

As long as VS can do this I could care less about the pre (capturing, converting to CF, etc) and the post (encoding the result to CF, or another format from CF), which can then be best left to other means or stand-alone apps, AFAIC. I bet even the free VirtualDub can be good enough through the VFW interface given that it also comes in AVI. Or even frame-served through AviSynth with the YV12 color space conversion in the script.

Acquire CF -> VS only for edits and smart render -> Encode it

As long as VS can accept, edit and smart render the streams, we're in business. :D

As far as keeping the "source", I would just keep the finished CF before the encode.

Also check this out:
http://www.cineform.com/products/NeoScene.htm#Specs
Only $129. I can't imagine VS not accepting these AVIs containing this format after reading that other thread.

(Been doing alot of reading before investing as you can imagine... :wink: )
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I can't imagine VS not accepting these AVIs containing this format after reading that other thread.
That's the one thing I was not absolutely clear about after reading Jerry Jones' various posts on the subject, particularly given his reference to other output formats from Cineform... or at least after processing in Cineform.

As you would be aware, there are literally hundreds of video formats which use the .avi extension, and they vary widely. Clearly, the Cineform one is sui generis -- one of a kind. But the usual thing with other kinds of AVI is that VS can usually deal with them as long as the relevant codec is on the computer and is something VS can recognise and work with. I would hope that this would be the case with the Cineform AVI. But this is also why I was interested in Jerry's comments about other formats. :?:

It was also interesting on that link you provided that it is clear, for instance, that Adobe Premiere Pro CS4 (which I have) is not yet compatible with Cineform AVI. So that has put further doubt in my mind...

I note also that link answers my question about Cineform working with Vegas Studio, though it remains unclear whether there is an actual plug-in in Studio, or whether it just has no trouble with the Cineform AVIs...
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Hi again Ken. You caught me editing... :oops:

I'm still not 100% of this from Jerry's thread. And I have no clue that the CineForm codec can be accessed via DirectShow or whatever.

The link I gave states compatibility with the Adobe and Sony editors. But when they mean "compatibility", do they mean the "pre" and "post" like I mentioned in my last post? As long as VS can accept, edit and smart render the AVI streams from CF, then the other features that may be associated with a plug-in would be pretty useless to me then. I guess most here would be OK without them too, especially when it's only $129.

I'm hoping the $129 also includes CF in a "typical" codec installation much like many other formats AVI houses.
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As far as I can work out, Neo Scene is a stand-alone program. You can capture either in VS or NeoScene -- I imagine the latter would be direct to their AVI format. Or once captured by VS (or the other designated programs) you would then put the captured video in AVCHD/HDV format into NeoScene where it would be converted to CF AVI and reimported in that format into VS for editing. Then you would output in what format you required.

As far as I understand it, Vegas (including Studio?) and Premiere (up to CS3) already have a Cineform plug-in included which does all the above within the NLE.

I am not sure that there are many "other features" than the above so what you see is what you would get.

As for whether the codec can be accessed by DirectShow, that is no longer relevant to VS since Corel dropped DirectShow (and the other capture plug-ins) with VS11 and now 12/X2. There is now only one capture plug-in: the 'IVI [or InterVideo] Compnent'. But that remains my primary question relating to CF -- whether that Component can 'see' the CF codec without any trouble. From what Jerry says, it seems pretty clear that it can. Otherwise he would not have managed to edit the CF files in VS as he says he did...
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