Video Studio Pro X2 - Will not find Panasonic SD9

[Doctor Keo]

Hi - I've downloaded VS X2 (I'm waiting delivery of my full copy), I am able to work with HD files (1080i) downloaded from my Panasonic SD9 via the HDwriter (Came with camera) but when I try to capture video via VS, the program does not recognise the camera. Any ideas where to start looking to solve the problem. Thanks. Doctor Keo.
Sorry if this is a duplicate posting, I coundn't the one I thought I had posted!
Vista 32 bit - 4 gig Ram, AMD 3800+ dual processor. 70 gig free space on HDD,

[pjc]

AVCHD cameras don't get controlled like DV cameras via firewire ie you don't "capture" using VS. You download the files and use them (as you are doing).

[Ken Berry]

Please also report back how X2 deals with your video. I hate to have to say you have two things going against you. First, VS11.5+ could not handle video from a Panasonic SD9, and the video I have from that camera also does not work with my VS12. Please see my System button for details of my computer.

Second, with your computer, even if VS12 can play your particular video, you may need to edit it using SmartProxy as I believe it may fall into the category of computers which cannot edit AVCHD without it.

As far as any of us have been able to work out. Panasonic may be using one of its own codecs for that camera, and the codec used by VS does not process it in the same way.

[Doctor Keo]

Hi Ken, Thanks very much for your advise. As an update still using the trial version, I imported the video from HDWriter and wrote a AVCHD DVD and played it back on my PS3. I used the proxy editing at low resolution as the the higher was quite jerky. This when OK. I didn't realise that the AVCHD was 1440 not 1920. I have just tried to reburn the DVD at 1920 and I'm now receiving this message "There is an internal error in the DVD Engine" error code 533:-2147216492:0. So I haven't been able to burn a DVD at 1920. On the setting I changed the resolution to 1920 and set the bit rate to 17000. I hope this make sense! Thanks again. Doctor Keo

[Ken Berry]

Given your computer specs AND the SD9 codec, I am not sure this will work. But since you are making a hybrid AVCHD disc, I would suggest you try not using SmartProxy. Insert the AVCHD in the timeline and do your edits, knowing that you are not going to be able to watch a watchable preview of anything much. Then when you think it is about right, instead of producing an AVCHD final video of the project (Share > Create Video File), instead, jump straight to the burning module (Share > Create Disc > AVCHD). This inserts the project file into the burning module. Then down in the second icon in the bottom left, you can actually set the AVCHD properties you want.

Anyway, that, at least, is the way I produce my own AVCHD discs, but I can usually watch a preview with anything except SD9 footage... And you could use a RW disc just in case things don't work out (which is likely... )

[Zippy]

Hi Doctor Keo!

As mentioned in another thread (somewhere!) I shoot with an SD1 (cost me more than twice as much as an SD9 now costs !!!).

My working methodology is to throw HD writer in the bin, and to copy the content of my SD cards to the hard drive of my PC - all in a nice logical folder structure. This has to be done over USB, for reasons unspecified but probably FAT32 file system related, the card reader on my PC can't hack the format on the SD card.

Using the "library Organiser" in X2, I create a libray folder with the similar name, and just drag-n-drop the .MTS files (from the stream sub folder of the SD1 contents) onto the new VS library folder. No need to mess about importing digital media anymore, X2 just seems to handle it

I DO use smart proxy, even on my quad-core I find I need it... I think disk speeds is actually the limiting factor, not processor speed!

Of course the SD9 codec could be different, but the above works for me

Hope this helps,

Zippy.

[pjc]

Hi Doctor Keo!
I DO use smart proxy, even on my quad-core I find I need it... I think disk speeds is actually the limiting factor, not processor speed!

Of course the SD9 codec could be different, but the above works for me

Zippy, it is the way Panasonic applies the codec (different reference frames I believe) which causes the problem. PD came up with a patch, VS hasn't yet.
My AVCHD clips play perfectly smoothly with PD but still very slowly with VS.

[roma]

Hello,

I have same problem. I have Panasonic SD9 and use Corel VideoStudio 12 X2 to create AVCHD-disk.

If I don't use Titles and make AVCHD-disk without convertion the source file with settings:
"MPEG files
24 bits, 1920 x 1080, 25 fps
Upper Field First
(HDMV-PAL), 16:9
H.264 Video
Video data rate: Variable (Max. 16800 kbps)
Audio data rate: 384 kbps
Dolby Digital Audio, 48 KHz, 3/2(L,C,R,SL,SR)"
- all work fine.

If I pace one or more titles on timeline and make AVCHD-disk with same settings i become error "There is an internal error in the DVD engine 533:-2147216492:0"
I found the problem is in DolbyDigital 5.1. The error happend by multiplexing of video and audio. If I use the source file with DD2.0 all work fine.

To reproduce this error I uploaded one source file on http://rapidshare.com/files/265377655/00030.MTS.html

Thanks,
Ramil

[mitchell65]

I have downloaded the file but as it is only just over 8 secs long when I put a couple of transitions in the resultant clip was so short you couldn't judge how good it was! May I suggest that when you make a clip for testing you use two essential items. One - A good firm tripod. Two - If you have one then a remote control for th camera. This way any zooming can be don shoothly and very slowly with no hand shakes. Also avoid panning. If you really must pan then try to never use horizontal panning. If you must use vertical panning then make it very slow and smooth. A thing I can only manage with a good tripod. Personally I think a tripod is more important with video work that still imaging but there that's my personal opnion.
I put a title at the beginning and one at the end of your clip without problems and it didn't crash my machine when rendering to disc or file. Bye the way it would help if you (roma) completed your profile. We could then see you PC's spec.

[Ken Berry]

I have not yet had time to burn an AVCHD hybrid disc. However, I have experimented with the clip you sent in the following ways.

I made up a quick project consisting of a black colour matter, followed by a red matte, a cross fade transition, the clip, another cross-fade, the clip again, a cross fade, and a red matte again. I inserted titles over the two red mattes, with animation applied to both. The project ran for just under 30 seconds.

I used Share > Create Video File > AVCHD (1920). In the first run, I used the default settings which have a max bitrate of 18 Mbps and 5.1 audio. It took approx. 3 minutes to render. (Smart render did not apply since the bitrate had been changed). The miniscule but annoying blip after each cross-fade followed by video occurred, but otherwise the video played fine and the quality was excellent.

I then Shared it to another AVCHD file, this time using the original bitrate max. 16,800 kbps and 5.1 audio. This time I enable SmartRender, and interestingly enough it took around 2 minutes to render. Again the blip after the transition was there.

I Shared again, with the same bitrate and audio, but this time with SmartRender disabled. It took 5 minutes 10 seconds to render i.e. more than 10 times real time, which is pretty awful. But the transition blip is not detectable and the quality is still excellent in the video.

I also, to cross check, shared with the same bitrate, but changing the audio to Dolby 2 channel and with SmartRender enabled. This took barely 10 seconds i.e. less than half real time. The blip is there, and there were some minor blocky artifacts.

My suggestion therefore would be to try to convert your project in the editing module to AVCHD using both 16800 kbps and 5.1 audio. Depending on how long your project is, this could take hours so might best be done overnight. Then burn it to an AVCHD disc, but making sure 'do not convert compliant mpeg files' is ticked in the middle of the three icons in the bottom left of the burning screen. That way no conversion will take place during the burning process.

[roma]

It's enough to place one my test file and one title. If i try to create AVCHD-disk to DVD-RW disk i become error.
I upload two my screenshots on http://rapidshare.com/files/265854862/S ... s.zip.html.
I tested on two my computers and always become same error.

My first computer has WinXP SP3, CoreDuo E6300, 2 GB RAM, MSI MS-7255 motherboard and ATI HD 2600 XT graphiccard, SONY NEC 7170 DVD-Writer:
second computer has WinXP SP3, Athlon X2 3800, 2 GB RAM, K9 N4 Ultra motherboard, MSI RX3870 graphiccard, LG GH 22NS30 DVD-Writer.

Thanks,
Ramil.

[roma]

Hello,

did you reproduce my problem?

Thanks,
Ramil.

[mitchell65]

Hello,

did you reproduce my problem?

Thanks,
Ramil.

Afraid not. I can't reproduce the error. Have you tried Ken Berry's idea quoted in the last paragraph of his post above?

[roma]

The problem happyend by create AVCHD-disk. Did you try create AVCHD-disk on DVD+RW disk?
You should only place one my testfile and one title and go to create AVCHD-disk without menu with my setting (see my screenshots).
I reproduced this problem on two my computer ...

[roma]

If you can't reproduce, maybe you have any other idee? What can happyend error "There is an internal error in the DVD engine 533:-2147216492:0" ? Maybe you can decode this errorcode?