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I would like to burn mpeg2-hd content from my hdv sony HC1 camcorder to either regular dvd in original uncompressed format to be readable on my new samsung 2500 br player
can VS x2 do the job
Or alternatively , can I burn these uncompressed files to a BR disc (If I get a BR burner) and pla them on my samsung player ?

I Know nothing about your specific BR player, so you would need to consult its Manual and specifications. I have a Sony PlayStation 3 which is a top rated BR player, and it can do the following:

First, as far as I am aware, if you burn HDV in that format to a standard DVD, it will only play in a rated HD DVD player. As you may know, that format, and its players, have now been discontinued by the companies which had originally back it. They will not play in a Blu-Ray player, which won that particular war.

You *can* convert your HDV (mpeg-2) to high def AVCHD (mpeg-4) and burn that to a standard DVD. It creates a Blu-Ray structure on the disk which can be played by some, but not all, Blu-Ray players. That is why I suggested you need to consult the Samsung Manual. See if there is a reference to 'hybrid discs'. I find this conversion (using HDV from my Canon HV20) gives excellent quality using the highest AVCHD settings. But you can only fit around 20 minutes of video at this quality on a single layer DVD. Unlike some other editing packages, VS 11.5+ and 12 allows you to build a menu for these hybrid discs.

The other thing you can do is to burn your edited HDV in that format to a DVD, but not as a video, only as a file. In other words, you treat the DVD as though it is merely an archive disc and you can't use VS for such a burn. You would use Nero or Roxio or similar program. The PlayStation 3 will recognise and play the HDV on an archive disc as long as it is in a folder on the DVD simply labelled 'VIDEO'. Works wonderfully, but again you are stuck with the limited size of 4.3 GB per single layer DVD, so again you are limited in the amount of video this will allow. But again, I have no idea if the Samsung has a similar capacity.

In a similar way, with the PlayStation, I can also copy an edited HDV video to either a USB stick drive or external hard disc, and connect that to the PlayStation. The video must again be in a folder called VIDEO, but again it works a treat. The only downside is that the PSP3 can only 'see' the FAT32 filing system, and not the NTFS system used by Vista and XP. And this imposes a limit of 4 GB as the maximum size of a file. If the Samsung has a USB port, you might be able to do this too.

Finally, I have my PSP3 networked to my computer, using either Nero Media Home or Windows Media Player as the server. I can thus stream the original, edited video (i.e. in its native HDV format) direct from computer to my HDTV via the PSP3, and the same size limitations do not apply. Again, I have no idea of whether you can network the Samsung in a similar way.

I got the VS X2 trial version
Tried to produce short 2 minutes avchd clip project on normal dvd , worked great on my samsung 2500 bd player
But a 15 minutes project blocked after 10 minutes of burning (pc reboot). I can still see these beautifull 10 first minutes on the player
2 problemes
1- Upon production without any tuning I get : HDMV-Pal file type (H.264) VBR max 15000 (1440 x 1080 that I elected) ; but I cant adjust video rate type (CBR) maybe this is a limitation of trial version ?
2- I put the 2 dvd in my computer for file search and explorer cant see the files ( as if the dvd was empty)
3- I tried to import the file that supposed to be on the dvd to the time line ; VS X2 wont see it either
4- But my main concern is my 15 minutes partially blockes project

Thank you for your preciuos help Ken

Forgot to mention :

The first 2 minutes clip was done in one step importing Mpeg2-hd file directly to burning module.
The seccond 15 minutes clip was done in two steps , first produucing a « supposed » avchd file that is visible (unlike the burned file) in the target folder , I say « supposed » because it took very little time to produce and have nearly exactly the same size like the original mpeg2-hd hdv file while its supposed to be a compressed format

Hmmm. I just, as a test, rendered an 11 sec HDV mpeg-2 clip to AVCHD 1920 (Share > Create Video File > AVCHD > 1920). It took 1 minute 15 seconds to do. That is typical of all such renders I have made. You will see from my system button that I have a Core 2 Quad with pretty good resources. Looking at your own computer specs, I would say that at the very least your own 2 minute conversion should have taken at the very least around 15 minutes, and probably a whole lot more.

Apart from that, when producing AVCHD hybrid discs, I always do what you did with the 2 minute clip i.e. jump straight to the burning module (Share > Create Disc > AVCHD) because I can choose my own AVCHD properties in the middle of the three icons. So I would suggest you try that work flow with your 15 minute project -- particularly bearing in mind that I am not sure that your computer has the ability to handle AVCHD in the normal way.

And you cannot, as far as I am aware, change AVCHD to CBR. Your original HDV is CBR because that is part of the HDV set-up. But similarly, VBR is an inherent property of AVCHD -- it's one of the reasons the compression algorithms can squeeze so much at high quality into such small files.

Can you plase tell me the file size you got ( original and utcome) , it seem to me that I produce same mpeg2-hd since they both have same size;
When I insert back th 15 minutes "avchd" clip , I check properties in the begining of the process before insertion and it indicates the same properties as original file (mpeg2 hdv type);
Maybe it has to do with " do not change compatible files" option.
overall I am not unhappy to print unchanged mpeg2-hd files even if it will fit only 20 minutes or so

The original clip was HDV/mpeg-2 1440 x 1080, CBR 25 mbps Dolby dual channel stereo, and was 35.90 MB in size. The rendered files was AVCHD/mpeg-4 1920 x 1080, VBR max 17.999 mbps, Dolby dual channel stereo, and 16.03 MB in size.

'Do not render compatible mpeg files' only works in the burning module, not in rendering a file in the Editing module. There the same effect is produced by using SmartRender. But SmartRender would not come into operation if you were truly going from HDV > AVCHD. VS would simply ignore it even if you had it ticked. But I am wondering if you got any MPEG Optimizer message... That would explain why you were having HDV in and HDV out.

overall I am not unhappy to print unchanged mpeg2-hd files even if it will fit only 20 minutes or so

The problem with that is that 'printing'/recording unchanged HDV mpeg-2 to a DVD is that you are in effect producing a hybrid HD DVD and not a hybrid AVCHD disc. The former, as I have already said, will only play in a rated HD DVD player, not a Blu-Ray player. For that, you need to convert the HDV to AVCHD.

very good ken, the result I had with samsung br2500 player and hd projector are not far from what I get with the original mpeg2-hd (HDV) played from my computer to projector to a 3.5 meter wide screen.
The problem is that I cant see the prodced file brned on the dvd (Windows dont manage to see it dont know why) and I then ignore how much video I can fit.
Can you see those files on your produced avchd dvds
To answer your question I didn't get any massage through processing
Thanks again
toni1

Yes, I can easily use the AVCHD files on the hybrid discs I have burned. Essentially they are easily copied. They are in the STREAM sub-folder of the BDMV folder on the DVD. If you don't have that structure, then you don't have a hybrid disc. Windows should at least be able to see that structure, but it may not be able to play the files themselves. Certainly WMP cannot play them... Only a program rated to play AVCHD can do so, and that includes PowerDVD 8 and WinDVD9, and of course Video Studio 11.5+ and 12. But your computer may not be up to the job of playing them anyway...

found out by searching in google that invisible files is a windows " maybe xp?" problem, something to do with multisession or finalising the dvd

http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/forum/168 ... puter-them

tried a new "one step" 20 minutes project, worked great, I will puch forward for larger project, VS should , I hope so, tell me if it will fit;
Will also try to see if I can see prudced file with vista