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Once upon a time a new technologie called HiFi enflammed our enthusiasm. We took great pains to to choose the best elements for the set up, from the turntable (yes, you remember, we had turntables!) to the pre-ampand the power-amp and finally to the speakers. Today we're excited about HD, still pretty much in it's infancy. Like our LP's (despite their superior quality over CD's) DVD's will soon be museum articles, replaced perhaps by BRD's (blu-ray discs) and multimedia hard drives or playstations. Ulead has yet to catch up on this new era. It can't even split an HDV video, whereas a tiny bit of software like HDVSplit does it effortlessly. The Ulead engineers content themselves with ever more effects and other useless gadgets that clutter up the successive editions. When are they going to get down to tin tacks and produce a real HD Video Studio? Please Mr Ulead wizard (or is it rather Madame Corel?), forget about the bells and whistles, we only need a good HD editing program. Hurry up or some other company will beat you to it, unless this has already happened?

It has already happened!

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OK Steve, so let me into the secret - what's the new software?

My reply was a clicky link.

Steve: I think the message implicit in Kookaburra/Gisela's message is that he (Gisela is his wife's name!) is not greatly impressed with X2:

Hurry up or some other company will beat you to it, unless this has already happened?

He hasn't yet told us which version of software he is using.
In fact he refers to Ulead - that was replaced by Intervideo-Ulead and over a year ago that in turn got replaced by Corel.
In fact the last version of VideoStudio to carry the Ulead label was VS10.

In fact, he and I and others have been having a number of exchanges in recent days, and I got the impression from them that he was well aware of the existence of X2 and indeed VS11/11.5+. It is true, however, that he has been having trouble with his current version 10+ which I helped him with...

You are right, though, since, on looking back over the recent threads (there are 2 or 3 of them) nowhere does he actually say he has downloaded the trial version of X2... And worse, nowhere did I suggest that he do so!!!

Ken Berry wrote:
You are right, though, since, on looking back over the recent threads (there are 2 or 3 of them) nowhere does he actually say he has downloaded the trial version of X2... :oops: :oops: And worse, nowhere did I suggest that he do so!!! :oops: :oops:

Thanks to Steve and Kenn for these helpful replies! For me Ulead will remain Ulead no matter how many times it changes hands. In the Munich subway just yesterday I got into conversation with a srtanger with a camcorder. He turned out to be running a video club in Munich. I told him I use "Ulead". Oh, he said, we all used that for a long time but it's too unstable! My point is Ulead is still "Ulead", and a very good name it was!

VS 10+ does occasionally crash with me, but I'm used to it's bad moods. For DV it is all I need, but with HDV it has shortcomings. I did not realize that this silly name "X2" is in fact the latest version of (verdammt nochmal!) Ulead. So if I have correctly understood X2 copes well with HDV? If so you have enlightened me just in time, because my search has led me to Sony Vegas Movie Studio that I now have a trial version of. It looks awful but I haven't done much with it as yet. It does seem to split the scenes.

sjj1805 wrote: In fact the last version of VideoStudio to carry the Ulead label was VS10.

Perhaps except for "Ulead Video Studio (reg TM) 11.5 Plus" in the USA, as sold by Amazon. The Corel name is on the box, but of the six facets of the box, only on the bottom is the Corel name the one that the eye sees first.
JM_2

Version 11 was a Corel product, despite what the box might have said. They were probably still using the Ulead name for marketing reasons.

John Moran_2 wrote:

sjj1805 wrote: In fact the last version of VideoStudio to carry the Ulead label was VS10.

Perhaps except for "Ulead Video Studio (reg TM) 11.5 Plus" in the USA, as sold by Amazon. The Corel name is on the box, but of the six facets of the box, only on the bottom is the Corel name the one that the eye sees first.
JM_2

Gisela Richter wrote: It can't even split an HDV video, whereas a tiny bit of software like HDVSplit does it effortlessly.

Ohhhh.... the world of NLE's (NON LINEAR EDITORS)..... and contradictions such as HDVsplit.

Not that I have any objections to HDVsplit.... I use it myself. Great little capture program. BUT.... it does go against the grain of what an NLE is supposed to be about, and that is: NON DESTRUCTIVE EDITING. The means that your captured material is not touched or modified in any way, shape, or form.

If a real nle is going to live up to its real ideology, then scene splitting (on a physical level) should not exist. Instead a separate file is written as the capture takes place that will contain all of the scene split info and other things of relevance. Your NLE will then place a COPY of your material on the time line along with the scene split data collected in the scene data file.

Of course.... it's just plain easier these days to split the darned tape on capture!

I've stopped splitting by scene ages ago...for me anyway...I find it easier to just select the bit I want from the same thumbnail and use the in and out sliders under the preview pane. I only have to manage one thumbnail and avoid trying to remember which scene i used and which scene I missed out from having to try mark every thumbnail in the library.

I guess I am just backwards. I like to put a video clip (usually an entire hour of tape) I have captured on the time line and then split into scenes. Then trash all the bad video - bad focus, uninteresting, my left foot when I forgot to turn the camera off and etc. Then I start to work on editing. Rearranging clips here and there, collecting different shots of the same thing in one place etc. Then I go through and start to shorten and work on things till I get it down to the story I want to tell.
Maybe the rest of you shoot only good footage and in the correct order it will be in the video, but I can't seem to do this. It would add hours to my editing to not have it split into clips before I start. I have 18 hours from my last 23 day trip to Europe to edit, all in HD (along with over 10,000 stills). To have to go through frame by frame to find the end of each 10 - 30 second clip would take days. I use HDVsplit then dump it all on the time line to start working. It would be so much easier if a Corel product would do it automatically like it can for miniDV clips.
Allen

And I am totally with you, preacherallen! Mind you, I cannot even imagine wasting my time taking 18 hours of high def video, let alone 10,000 photos during a 23 day trip anywhere in the world (and I have even been to Antarctica). When would you ever get a chance to see any of the scenes yourself, let alone find time to scratch yourself>>>

More to the point, I still don't trust the idea of 'virtual' clips, which in essence is what neonbob is talking about. And I remain unconvinced that VS, regardless of version, can always handle the latter well... So I am more than happy to split my video, be it DV or HDV, by scene, and then pick amongst the debris!!