Hi guys
I used Video Studio 8 to copy and edit video from a VHS tape. I then review the project in the preview window and every thing looks good. I then create the files needed and use Nero to burn them to a DVD+RW I also tried a DVD-R. On the finished video I get pixilization and it freezes the odd time. Before I copied it the file size was 4 gig so I dont think that it had to shrink the video. I also used Video Studio to burn the DVD but didn't make a difference. Is there another way to create the DVD so I dont get the defects mentioned.
I also tried two different kinds of media. I dont think it should matter but Im playing the DVD in my DVD player hooked up to a 55 inch TV.
Thanks
Nikki
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No one will be able to give a meaningful reply until you tell us a couple of things. First, exactly how did you capture your VHS material? I am assuming that you merely connected the output device to either an external capture box or to one that is part of the computer, but you may have used a digital video camera as a bridge. The answer to your problem will probably vary according to exactly what that connection was. In this regard, we would need to know what connection cords you are using: S-video, the red-white (or black)-yellow ones, or another?
We also need to know exactly what the properties of your captured video are: in Video Studio, right click one of the clips and you will see 'Properties'. Copy that and post it here. We also want to know the properties of the project you are using. It is possible. for example, that you are capturing video from a VHS source, which normally uses Upper Field First (Field Order B), and then producing a final video which has used Lower Field First (Field Order A). This would cause the sort of problem you describe, though the problem would likely be more continuous than it sounds.
It would also be useful to know your computer specifications.
We also need to know exactly what the properties of your captured video are: in Video Studio, right click one of the clips and you will see 'Properties'. Copy that and post it here. We also want to know the properties of the project you are using. It is possible. for example, that you are capturing video from a VHS source, which normally uses Upper Field First (Field Order B), and then producing a final video which has used Lower Field First (Field Order A). This would cause the sort of problem you describe, though the problem would likely be more continuous than it sounds.
It would also be useful to know your computer specifications.
Ken Berry
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Nikki
Thanks Ken for the reply
Let me try to answer your questions
Captureing Video I have a VCR hooked up to an external capture device (Hauppauge WinTV-PVR usb-2) I also use the software that came with this unit to record and save the mpg video file. My VCR does not have s video only composite.
The properties for the captured video are
Properties of Recorded Video
File name XXXXX.mpg
File Format NTSC DVD
Video
Video Type MPEG-2 Video, Upper Field First
Total Frames 464,114 Frames
Attributes 24 Bits 720 X 480, 4:3
Frame Rate 29.970 Frames/Sec
Data Rate: Variable bit rate (Max 9000 kbps
Audio
Audio Type MPEG Audio Layer 2 Files
Total Samples 743,325,726 Samples
Attributes 48000 Hz 16 Bit Stereo
Layer 2
Bit Rate 384 kbps
In video Studio when I edit the video and save it I saved it to a XXX.VSP file I created several of these and then clicked on Share video and create Disc and add the video projects. Im not sure how to get the properties of the VSP file.
But the Project Settings are
MPEG Files
24 Bits 720 x 480 ,29.97 fps
DVD-NTSC
Video Data rate Variable (Max 6000kbps
LPCM Audio 48 KHz Stereo
Do not convert compliand MPEG files is checked
In Preferences I have checked
VCD player compliant
Apply anti flickering filter
Perform non-square pixel rendering
TV system NTSC
My computer I just purchased
P 4 3.0
2 gig DDR
I hope you know what all this means
Thanks
Nikki
Let me try to answer your questions
Captureing Video I have a VCR hooked up to an external capture device (Hauppauge WinTV-PVR usb-2) I also use the software that came with this unit to record and save the mpg video file. My VCR does not have s video only composite.
The properties for the captured video are
Properties of Recorded Video
File name XXXXX.mpg
File Format NTSC DVD
Video
Video Type MPEG-2 Video, Upper Field First
Total Frames 464,114 Frames
Attributes 24 Bits 720 X 480, 4:3
Frame Rate 29.970 Frames/Sec
Data Rate: Variable bit rate (Max 9000 kbps
Audio
Audio Type MPEG Audio Layer 2 Files
Total Samples 743,325,726 Samples
Attributes 48000 Hz 16 Bit Stereo
Layer 2
Bit Rate 384 kbps
In video Studio when I edit the video and save it I saved it to a XXX.VSP file I created several of these and then clicked on Share video and create Disc and add the video projects. Im not sure how to get the properties of the VSP file.
But the Project Settings are
MPEG Files
24 Bits 720 x 480 ,29.97 fps
DVD-NTSC
Video Data rate Variable (Max 6000kbps
LPCM Audio 48 KHz Stereo
Do not convert compliand MPEG files is checked
In Preferences I have checked
VCD player compliant
Apply anti flickering filter
Perform non-square pixel rendering
TV system NTSC
My computer I just purchased
P 4 3.0
2 gig DDR
I hope you know what all this means
Thanks
Nikki
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maddrummer3301
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Nikki,
How long is this video?
Can you display the true bit_rate on the screen when viewing the
video on the TV?
Many dvd players have the option to display the bit_rate.
Even though the file says 9000kbs you posted many frames.
464,114 Frames / 29.97 fps = 15485.95 seconds
15485.95 secs / 60 = 258 Minutes
258 Minutes / 60 = 4.3 hours of original material
Is this correct?
If the video is 4 hours long it is running at to low a bit_rate to
fit on a single sided dvd.
But, you possibly edited the video to fit on a dvd which means it's been
re-rendered which will cause pixelation if the properites of the rendered
file do not match the original files. Especially if you change the Field to
frame-based (some default templates).
Try changing the audio from lpcm to dolby (or mpg2) so you can
increase the video_bit_rate.
Also, make sure the Field_Order is correct.
When working with mpg files make sure the original video file specs
and the project output file specs match.
Perform minimum editing of the mpg2 file and use smart render.
Cut or extract clips.
Watch joinging clips because of audio sync issues can occur.
Hope this helps,
MD
How long is this video?
Can you display the true bit_rate on the screen when viewing the
video on the TV?
Many dvd players have the option to display the bit_rate.
Even though the file says 9000kbs you posted many frames.
464,114 Frames / 29.97 fps = 15485.95 seconds
15485.95 secs / 60 = 258 Minutes
258 Minutes / 60 = 4.3 hours of original material
Is this correct?
If the video is 4 hours long it is running at to low a bit_rate to
fit on a single sided dvd.
But, you possibly edited the video to fit on a dvd which means it's been
re-rendered which will cause pixelation if the properites of the rendered
file do not match the original files. Especially if you change the Field to
frame-based (some default templates).
Try changing the audio from lpcm to dolby (or mpg2) so you can
increase the video_bit_rate.
Also, make sure the Field_Order is correct.
When working with mpg files make sure the original video file specs
and the project output file specs match.
Perform minimum editing of the mpg2 file and use smart render.
Cut or extract clips.
Watch joinging clips because of audio sync issues can occur.
Hope this helps,
MD
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Nikki
Sorry that info was a little missleading
That was the size of the video file that I captured off the VCR. It was made up of several seperate videos and I used VS 8 to cut them up into several smaller ones. The total size of the video file was just over an Hr long or just under 4 gig's it was only a few small clips so there was no compression made. So I still am not sure why the video is so poor
I checked with my video player and cant display the bit rate
Any other ideas
Thanks Guys
Nikki
That was the size of the video file that I captured off the VCR. It was made up of several seperate videos and I used VS 8 to cut them up into several smaller ones. The total size of the video file was just over an Hr long or just under 4 gig's it was only a few small clips so there was no compression made. So I still am not sure why the video is so poor
I checked with my video player and cant display the bit rate
Any other ideas
Thanks Guys
Nikki
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While not wanting to sound overly schoolmasterish about it, you have fairly clearly not read the very first 'sticky' post on this Board. It seems to me that you have made a couple of possibly fundamental errors. First, it appears that you may think that by saving your edited clips to a VSP file, that is somehow or other all you need to do to have a file ready for burning. In theory, this is correct, as Video Studio is supposedly able to burn direct from a project file. But there is a wide experience on this Board that in practice this seldom if ever works.
The VSP file you have saved is only a 'project' file, which tells the program which video files are included in the project, where they are and what has been done to them by way of cuts or additions of transitions, titles and audio. It is NOT a video file in its own right.
Your second 'error' is this. There is also a widely held view here -- though not universal -- that after making all your edits (and saving the project to that point), that your next step should be to go to Share, but then to select 'Create Video File > DVD' (or whatever other type of disc-compliant file you intend to burn e.g. VCD or SVCD). At this stage, you still have your edited clips in the timeline, and by using Share > Create Video File, you then produce a DVD-compliant MPG2 file. By doing this you can at least then test the new file and see whether in fact it appears to do everything you want by playing it back in either the VS preview window or, notionally better, in some third party player.
Only when you are satisfied with it do you then move on to the burning phase (Share > Create Disc > DVD). At this stage you might be advised to start a new project in VS so that the timeline is emptied. Open the burning module and then insert your newly produced DVD-compliant MPG file. Add chapters if you want, and a menu, then burn. As an added precaution, some of us first burn a RW disc so that you don't waste a disc if things don't go right. If you intend to produce multiple copies of your disc, you might also want to consider burning not to disc in the first instance, but to a disc image (.ISO file) which you can later burn to disc either using the VCD DVD Disc Image Recorder which comes with Video Studio or some third party disc image burner like Nero.
Getting back to your specific project, you still have not given us one crucial bit of information. In the project properties, you did not tell us whether the project is using Upper Field First (which it should, given that you have captured analogue video with Upper Field First), or Lower Field First (which is what you would use if you had captured digital, rather than analogue, video). If you are burning using the wrong field order, you would certainly get the sort of problem you say you are in fact experiencing.
The VSP file you have saved is only a 'project' file, which tells the program which video files are included in the project, where they are and what has been done to them by way of cuts or additions of transitions, titles and audio. It is NOT a video file in its own right.
Your second 'error' is this. There is also a widely held view here -- though not universal -- that after making all your edits (and saving the project to that point), that your next step should be to go to Share, but then to select 'Create Video File > DVD' (or whatever other type of disc-compliant file you intend to burn e.g. VCD or SVCD). At this stage, you still have your edited clips in the timeline, and by using Share > Create Video File, you then produce a DVD-compliant MPG2 file. By doing this you can at least then test the new file and see whether in fact it appears to do everything you want by playing it back in either the VS preview window or, notionally better, in some third party player.
Only when you are satisfied with it do you then move on to the burning phase (Share > Create Disc > DVD). At this stage you might be advised to start a new project in VS so that the timeline is emptied. Open the burning module and then insert your newly produced DVD-compliant MPG file. Add chapters if you want, and a menu, then burn. As an added precaution, some of us first burn a RW disc so that you don't waste a disc if things don't go right. If you intend to produce multiple copies of your disc, you might also want to consider burning not to disc in the first instance, but to a disc image (.ISO file) which you can later burn to disc either using the VCD DVD Disc Image Recorder which comes with Video Studio or some third party disc image burner like Nero.
Getting back to your specific project, you still have not given us one crucial bit of information. In the project properties, you did not tell us whether the project is using Upper Field First (which it should, given that you have captured analogue video with Upper Field First), or Lower Field First (which is what you would use if you had captured digital, rather than analogue, video). If you are burning using the wrong field order, you would certainly get the sort of problem you say you are in fact experiencing.
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Nikki
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Nikki
Guys I have a couple questions
From what I have read this is the prosses
Capture video
Edit and save your project as a .vsp file
Go to share and create video file same as project file
When I capture my video its an Mpeg file is there not a way after making changes and cutting extra video out just to save it in the same format (mpeg)
How is the video changed from Mpeg to vsp
Also you asked me to give me the properties of my project (???.vsp) where can you find them
Nikki
From what I have read this is the prosses
Capture video
Edit and save your project as a .vsp file
Go to share and create video file same as project file
When I capture my video its an Mpeg file is there not a way after making changes and cutting extra video out just to save it in the same format (mpeg)
How is the video changed from Mpeg to vsp
Also you asked me to give me the properties of my project (???.vsp) where can you find them
Nikki
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Merlin
I hope I can make this understandable.Nikki wrote:How is the video changed from Mpeg to vsp
The .vsp file is nothing but a set of directions for VS to use when rendering the final video project. It basicly tells VS to drop frames 1 through 400. Apply fade in from frames 401 through 460. Drop frames 700 through 701. Etc.
These directions are used to create a new video file, depending on you choices, from the "Share" menus.
Your original video file is not altered during the editing process. The .vsp file contains no video, only instructions to VS.
If I didn't explain this clearly enough maybe I can make another attempt or someone with better knowledge can explain better.
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Nikki
Good Morning Guys
I have a few guestons about video for someone
I am under the assumption that commercial DVD’s are mostly all dual layer to fit the 2 hr movie. If this is the case why does the DVD-R that I just bought say It will hold 2 hrs of video. So I guess my second question is what is the difference between the quality of the commercial video and the resulting video from using VS 8.
Thanks Nikki
I have a few guestons about video for someone
I am under the assumption that commercial DVD’s are mostly all dual layer to fit the 2 hr movie. If this is the case why does the DVD-R that I just bought say It will hold 2 hrs of video. So I guess my second question is what is the difference between the quality of the commercial video and the resulting video from using VS 8.
Thanks Nikki
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MikeGunter
Likely so if all content adds up to over 4.3GB. These discs are commerical pressed, not written by an optical drive (DVD burner).Nikki wrote:
I am under the assumption that commercial DVD’s are mostly all dual layer to fit the 2 hr movie. If this is the case why does the DVD-R that I just bought say It will hold 2 hrs of video. So I guess my second question is what is the difference between the quality of the commercial video and the resulting video from using VS 8.
Quality comes from the quality of the encoding software and the amount of content on the disc. More content, more compression, less quality.
IOW, given the amount of time on the timeline in VS9, there might not be any quality difference.
Mike
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THoff
Single-layer DVDs can contain two hours of video, it's a matter of adjusting the bitrate to make it fit.
If you really need to fit two hours of video on one disk, I would choose variable bitrate compression, AC-3 audio if you have VS8 w/ the AC-3 plugin or VS9, and a bitrate calculator to maximize the bitrate within the available storage space.
Hollywood does their video encoding using specialized hardware that does 20+ passes, whereas most consumer variable bitrate encoding software only uses one-pass or two-pass encoding.
If you really need to fit two hours of video on one disk, I would choose variable bitrate compression, AC-3 audio if you have VS8 w/ the AC-3 plugin or VS9, and a bitrate calculator to maximize the bitrate within the available storage space.
Hollywood does their video encoding using specialized hardware that does 20+ passes, whereas most consumer variable bitrate encoding software only uses one-pass or two-pass encoding.