I have been asked to make a VCD. I know how to make a DVD, but am not familiar with VCDs. I have searched for Jerry Jones tutorial on what the project properties should be for VCD, but cannot find it. When I click on the link it says the page cannot be opened.
Can anyone advise me how to make a VCD and what the properties should be? I will be starting with AVI files.
Also, on a DVD, I can usually put around 2 hours of high quality video on the DVD, what length of time can I fit on a VCD at fairly high quality?
Any help would be appreciated.
Susan
Video CD Project Properties
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thecoalman
www.videohelp.com look on the left under what is.
You can get about 1 hour on a CD and about 6 hours on DVD. Note that VCD the difference between a regular VCD CD and VCD on DVD is that the CD uses 44khz and DVD uses 48khz.
Personally unless the purpose is to put the video on a CD I would just use a lower resolution and lower bitrate mpeg2 myself on DVD.
You can get about 1 hour on a CD and about 6 hours on DVD. Note that VCD the difference between a regular VCD CD and VCD on DVD is that the CD uses 44khz and DVD uses 48khz.
Personally unless the purpose is to put the video on a CD I would just use a lower resolution and lower bitrate mpeg2 myself on DVD.
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Trevor Andrew
Hi Susan
Continue with the normal process from capture, edit, create video file.
At this point select the Vcd template, this will render and make a Mpeg 1 file compliant with Vcd.
You should get 60 minutes if not more per disc.
If you select Svcd you will have much better quality video, but at full quality about 2300 kbps ( I think ) you will only get 40 mins per Cd
Once you have created your video file use the file in the burner module, selecting the output disc format (top box)
As for settings use the default ones.
If you look at the ‘make movie manager’ from tools you can see the settings used for most formats.
Hope this Helps
Continue with the normal process from capture, edit, create video file.
At this point select the Vcd template, this will render and make a Mpeg 1 file compliant with Vcd.
You should get 60 minutes if not more per disc.
If you select Svcd you will have much better quality video, but at full quality about 2300 kbps ( I think ) you will only get 40 mins per Cd
Once you have created your video file use the file in the burner module, selecting the output disc format (top box)
As for settings use the default ones.
If you look at the ‘make movie manager’ from tools you can see the settings used for most formats.
Hope this Helps
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thecoalman
VCD Minutes
When you use the standard VCD bitrates template, you should be able to get ~74 minutes onto a 650mb CD-R, and ~80 minutes onto a 700mb CD-R.
George
OK. I want to make sure I get this right. Trevor Andrew said to capture the AVI files the same as I always do. The settings I use are:
NTSC drop frame (29.97 fps)
Microsoft AVI files
24 Bits, 720 x 480, 29.97 fps
Field Order A
DV Video Encoder - Type 1
DV Audio - NTSC, 48.000 kHz, 16 Bit, Stereo
These are the settings I have always used and I got them from Jerry Jones. But Jerry also always said the Project Properties should always match. So, if I capture the AVI files with the settings above, I can then use the Video CD settings, which are:
MPEG files
24 Bits, 352 x 240, 29.97 fps
(Video CD-NTSC)
Video data rate: 1150 kbps
Audio data rate: 224 kbps
MPEG Audio Layer 2, 44.1 kHz, Stereo
when I create the MPEG file. IS THIS CORRECT?
Then I empty the timeline and burn the VCD and everything should be fine?
I wanted to verify that I understand the correct AVI and MPEG settings before I create this file because I'm dealing with 2 hours of video (which I understand I will have to put on 2 different CD) which needs to be completed TONIGHT.
Can someone please verify that I'm going in the right direction here.........
NTSC drop frame (29.97 fps)
Microsoft AVI files
24 Bits, 720 x 480, 29.97 fps
Field Order A
DV Video Encoder - Type 1
DV Audio - NTSC, 48.000 kHz, 16 Bit, Stereo
These are the settings I have always used and I got them from Jerry Jones. But Jerry also always said the Project Properties should always match. So, if I capture the AVI files with the settings above, I can then use the Video CD settings, which are:
MPEG files
24 Bits, 352 x 240, 29.97 fps
(Video CD-NTSC)
Video data rate: 1150 kbps
Audio data rate: 224 kbps
MPEG Audio Layer 2, 44.1 kHz, Stereo
when I create the MPEG file. IS THIS CORRECT?
Then I empty the timeline and burn the VCD and everything should be fine?
I wanted to verify that I understand the correct AVI and MPEG settings before I create this file because I'm dealing with 2 hours of video (which I understand I will have to put on 2 different CD) which needs to be completed TONIGHT.
Can someone please verify that I'm going in the right direction here.........
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MikeGunter
Hi,
You should capture and edit in DV if that is what you use. After completing the project, making a VCD, VS9 will convert (encode) the DV AVI footage to VCD format.
Editing in VCD format requires encoding to that from the camera, futhermore, all reprocessed video is again converted (re-encoded) causing more artifacts in the video.
Edit at the highest quality. Encoding should be the last video step.
Mike
You should capture and edit in DV if that is what you use. After completing the project, making a VCD, VS9 will convert (encode) the DV AVI footage to VCD format.
Editing in VCD format requires encoding to that from the camera, futhermore, all reprocessed video is again converted (re-encoded) causing more artifacts in the video.
Edit at the highest quality. Encoding should be the last video step.
Mike
Thank you Trevor and Mike. I believe I get it now.
One other question, someone earlier in this post was talking about VCD on CD and VCD on DVD. I didn't even know you could format a DVD as a VCD. Does anyone know the good and/or bad of both of these options.
I am trying to figure out which format to choose.
I have been asked to transfer a miniDV tape to DVD and VCD. I believe it is of a wedding here in the U.S. involving people from India. They are leaving in a day or so and he would like 2 DVD and 1 VCD. I'm assuming the VCD is for the people from India so they can play it when they get back home. Does anyone know which type of media to create the VCD on? I don't want to put it on a DVD if when they try to play it in India their DVD player won't recognize it.
Any suggestions from you experts out there?
One other question, someone earlier in this post was talking about VCD on CD and VCD on DVD. I didn't even know you could format a DVD as a VCD. Does anyone know the good and/or bad of both of these options.
I am trying to figure out which format to choose.
I have been asked to transfer a miniDV tape to DVD and VCD. I believe it is of a wedding here in the U.S. involving people from India. They are leaving in a day or so and he would like 2 DVD and 1 VCD. I'm assuming the VCD is for the people from India so they can play it when they get back home. Does anyone know which type of media to create the VCD on? I don't want to put it on a DVD if when they try to play it in India their DVD player won't recognize it.
Any suggestions from you experts out there?
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MikeGunter
Hi,nt88498 wrote:Thank you Trevor and Mike. I believe I get it now.
One other question, someone earlier in this post was talking about VCD on CD and VCD on DVD. I didn't even know you could format a DVD as a VCD. Does anyone know the good and/or bad of both of these options.
I am trying to figure out which format to choose.
I have been asked to transfer a miniDV tape to DVD and VCD. I believe it is of a wedding here in the U.S. involving people from India. They are leaving in a day or so and he would like 2 DVD and 1 VCD. I'm assuming the VCD is for the people from India so they can play it when they get back home. Does anyone know which type of media to create the VCD on? I don't want to put it on a DVD if when they try to play it in India their DVD player won't recognize it.
Any suggestions from you experts out there?
You have more on the table than discs. India is PAL and you're likely converting NTSC. There is some caution that it might not play in PAL recorders - most PAL sets play NTSC, but it isn't a given.
VCD is on CD media. They may want to share the video with folks who use their computers as the playback device, or they have a VCD player. In any case, it is a CD.
Make the DVDs as usual and the VCDs, too, based upon templates in VS9 or in DVDMF4.
Mike
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Trevor Andrew
Hi Susan
GeorgewW wrote
When you use the standard VCD bitrates template, you should be able to get ~74 minutes onto a 650mb CD-R, and ~80 minutes onto a 700mb CD-R.
Vcd,s are normally burnt to CD-R type discs.
If you are in a hurry to get the video copied, can’t you record from camera to VHS tape. This may replace the VCD,s that are causing the problem. Its another option.
Rendering from DV-Avi will take some time, about 2 to 3 times the actual play time.
In order to get the best quality you may have to render twice, one for each format. DVD and VCD.
Good luck
Trevor
GeorgewW wrote
When you use the standard VCD bitrates template, you should be able to get ~74 minutes onto a 650mb CD-R, and ~80 minutes onto a 700mb CD-R.
Vcd,s are normally burnt to CD-R type discs.
If you are in a hurry to get the video copied, can’t you record from camera to VHS tape. This may replace the VCD,s that are causing the problem. Its another option.
Rendering from DV-Avi will take some time, about 2 to 3 times the actual play time.
In order to get the best quality you may have to render twice, one for each format. DVD and VCD.
Good luck
Trevor
Pay attention...
Hi,
Pay attention to Mike's comment on the Standards conversion that might be needed. You have NTSC Source, and you want it to play in a PAL player (some PAL players play NTSC, but as Mike said, it's not guaranteed).
The comment about 6 hours of VCD on DVD meant that a video encoded as a VCD meets DVD specifications, and you can get about 6 hours onto a DVD5 disc (the audio would have to upsampled from 44.1khz to 48khz). But a normal VCD would be burned to CD media.
If you use DMF4, the nice thing is you can make one DVD project, and then change it to VCD without having to re-author it (menus and such).
As a side note, if you encode your video for VCD before authoring it, a 74-minute Standard VCD bitrate video will be ~740mb, and an 80-minute Standard VCD bitrate video will be ~800mb. These will still fit onto a 650mb and 700mb CD-R as long as it is burned as a VCD.
Pay attention to Mike's comment on the Standards conversion that might be needed. You have NTSC Source, and you want it to play in a PAL player (some PAL players play NTSC, but as Mike said, it's not guaranteed).
The comment about 6 hours of VCD on DVD meant that a video encoded as a VCD meets DVD specifications, and you can get about 6 hours onto a DVD5 disc (the audio would have to upsampled from 44.1khz to 48khz). But a normal VCD would be burned to CD media.
If you use DMF4, the nice thing is you can make one DVD project, and then change it to VCD without having to re-author it (menus and such).
As a side note, if you encode your video for VCD before authoring it, a 74-minute Standard VCD bitrate video will be ~740mb, and an 80-minute Standard VCD bitrate video will be ~800mb. These will still fit onto a 650mb and 700mb CD-R as long as it is burned as a VCD.
George
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