There is another template feature in MF that I've never used or realized existed.
In MF7-Pro the ulead pre-built templates are using VBR.
When you go to make your own templates they are forced to use CBR (Constant Bit Rate).
You can make customized VBR templates in another location, not from the main template manager.
If you want to make a customized VBR templates you highlight your timeline video then "Export" -> select their pre-built template that's using VBR, then in the next screen before actually saving the video click on "Options" and change the video/audio parameters to your choice (the VBR will still be there).
Then when you exit the Options screen (where you customized the video/audio settings) then click on the small "Templates" Icon and select "ADD".
Give the template a name and it will be saved. You can re-use it again when exporting other videos, it will still be there to use.
To access this customized template it will be in that last stage before exporting to a new video file, in the "Templates" section right before you name the video and start the encoding/saving process.
At least for now that's a workaround if you want to encode in Variable Bit Rate using Customized settings.
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Well don't know what is wrong with my account, but I couldn't log in so have registered as another user.
Anyhow, etech, I've found the same as you, which rather odd the whole quirks in Disc Template manager. I have found though you have greater freedom with settings if you choose BD-J as a profile to create a custom template.
Also, you can apply Frame Based field order in the main project settings folder, even if the custom profile does not allow you to do that (at least this is the case for BD profiles).
Has anyone actually bought the download of MF7 from the Corel website. I've now done so, having been directed to a US link, which was slightly cheaper than the Aus/NZ website.
Anyhow, although I've got the main programme, there is no sign of the extra content and I have no idea where to download it from.
If anyone has managed to download it could the kindly tell me how they managed it
Anyhow, etech, I've found the same as you, which rather odd the whole quirks in Disc Template manager. I have found though you have greater freedom with settings if you choose BD-J as a profile to create a custom template.
Also, you can apply Frame Based field order in the main project settings folder, even if the custom profile does not allow you to do that (at least this is the case for BD profiles).
Has anyone actually bought the download of MF7 from the Corel website. I've now done so, having been directed to a US link, which was slightly cheaper than the Aus/NZ website.
Anyhow, although I've got the main programme, there is no sign of the extra content and I have no idea where to download it from.
If anyone has managed to download it could the kindly tell me how they managed it
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I don't know which US site you managed to find a copy from but it has ONLY been officially released in Japan, Australia and New Zealand.kaledii wrote:........
Has anyone actually bought the download of MF7 from the Corel website. I've now done so, having been directed to a US link, which was slightly cheaper than the Aus/NZ website.
Anyhow, although I've got the main programme, there is no sign of the extra content and I have no idea where to download it from.
If anyone has managed to download it could the kindly tell me how they managed it
Perhaps you are having problems obtaining extra content because it has not come from an official source?
kaledii,
It should be in the email that's provided by Corel and also a link when you purchase the software.
I've seen other posts stating similar problems with MF6+, but there should be an email that provides the links.
Can you post the website where the software was cheaper?
Did you purchase the upgrade or full?
If the upgrade does it ask for a serial number or must you have a previous version installed prior to installing the upgrade method.
As for CBR encoding I encoded about 4 - 10 minute videos at AVCHD 15MBS CBR Dolby 5.1@448kbs. The video doesn't stay at 15MBS, it can vary from 11MBS-15+MBS depending on the motion in the video. I think that is related to the avc/h264 codec itself.
Anyway, the CBR setting is somewhat variable.
High Defintion Mpeg2 encoding is definitely better than MF6+, at least what I've done so far adding audio tracks etc.
I'm having problems with the MF7Pro Trial "Ulead Burn-Now 4.5" software.
Under "Copy Movie" it doesn't want to recognize my Blu-Ray Folders.
The MF6+ "Ulead Burn-Now 4.5" recognizes the folders and burns them, no problem.
It should be in the email that's provided by Corel and also a link when you purchase the software.
I've seen other posts stating similar problems with MF6+, but there should be an email that provides the links.
Can you post the website where the software was cheaper?
Did you purchase the upgrade or full?
If the upgrade does it ask for a serial number or must you have a previous version installed prior to installing the upgrade method.
As for CBR encoding I encoded about 4 - 10 minute videos at AVCHD 15MBS CBR Dolby 5.1@448kbs. The video doesn't stay at 15MBS, it can vary from 11MBS-15+MBS depending on the motion in the video. I think that is related to the avc/h264 codec itself.
Anyway, the CBR setting is somewhat variable.
High Defintion Mpeg2 encoding is definitely better than MF6+, at least what I've done so far adding audio tracks etc.
I'm having problems with the MF7Pro Trial "Ulead Burn-Now 4.5" software.
Under "Copy Movie" it doesn't want to recognize my Blu-Ray Folders.
The MF6+ "Ulead Burn-Now 4.5" recognizes the folders and burns them, no problem.
First the trial doesn't allow to select other than the default templates... you can't create new or modify any of the templates (I assume you are talking about project settings)etech6355 wrote:But in MF7 goto "Export -> Customize -> Options -> select "MPEG2", from there you have all the mpeg2 frame sizes & quite a few frame rates.
Most of my templates are VBR, when I goto create a new template the new ones are hardcoded CBR (constant bit rate).
So I guess on my end for variable bit rate I have to modify one of the templates.
Still have to play with this some more.
I wonder if when making a BDMV whether the program considers your 24P as compliant or not, so it doesn't get re-encoded.
You may have to check ON the "X-Disc" box under "Project Settings"
I've tried a short clip encoded in VideoStudio 11 plus in 24p high definition and upon creating a BDMV folder on the hard disk it didn't reencode the video and went straight to encoding audio... however I then tried two longer clips (16 minutes all) with same encoding in VideoStudio and it reencoded the video upon creating the BDMV folder ... it reencoded both clips taking 1 hr and 15 minutes on my weak laptop with single core athlon 64 4000+ (I'm doing my summer vacation and away from my home computer which is much more powerful and has LG GGW H20L blu ray burner)....
So I wonder how is it going to be with the full release version that's going to be available in USA??? if it doesn't support 24p high definition format then I'm surely not going to upgrade.....
Def, an source - i.e. Corel site. When I pressed the 'activate' button on the trial splash screen I was taken to site which offered me to buy the download from the Aus or NZ when I clicked on the NZ site, I was redirected me to a link that allowed me to buy the product from the NZ website. I noticed that in the link it had NZ twice, so I substituted them for GB and was taken to the US store to allow me to buy the download.sjj1805 wrote:I don't know which US site you managed to find a copy from but it has ONLY been officially released in Japan, Australia and New Zealand.kaledii wrote:........
Has anyone actually bought the download of MF7 from the Corel website. I've now done so, having been directed to a US link, which was slightly cheaper than the Aus/NZ website.
Anyhow, although I've got the main programme, there is no sign of the extra content and I have no idea where to download it from.
If anyone has managed to download it could the kindly tell me how they managed it
Perhaps you are having problems obtaining extra content because it has not come from an official source?
I've since rolled back my system to a state prior to installing the trial, so that I could install the upgrade so I don't have a record of the link, but I have a test OS which still has the trial installed and will find it again and report back.
On completing the purchase from the Corel store, I was sent an email with a download link to the main software, and with a little trial and error, I was able to workout the file names for the extra content and 'bonusCD' (based on previous file names I've downloaded on previous versions of VS and MF) and download them too. If anyone else has problems downloading the extra content, I can pm them the file names (I guess they will have a unique tagged link)
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harhash,
The trial is supposed to be fully functional.
Do you know how to make custom templates in MF? (any version)?
In all versions of MF when you click on the lower left hand icon a pop-up box should appear, Save, Save As, Preferences,and also "Disc Template Manager". It's the "Disc Template Manager" that you want to access.
I can easily make new templates using the "Disc Template Manager". Select it, then make sure the top right hand dropdown box is set for your present project type, then click on "New". Create your new custom template and save it.
After you make new templates (make sure they are for your project), then from the MF timeline when you click on the GEAR Icon and select "change mpeg settings" the dropdown will include your new custom template. Select it and MF will assign the video/audio settings to your custom template.
I downloaded the trial and it's fully functional.
I also found that in this version one can insert avc/h264 TS videos & join them, also edit them.
One thing to point out with MF7Pro is under "Preferences" there is an option "Create Proxy Files". Depending on your source videos you may want to turn this feature either On or Off.
When turned on and you insert a High Def video a proxy file will be created under your assigned "Working Folder -> SmartProxy". It seems to work very nice.
Also MF7Pro lets you know it's generating a proxy file because theirs a small like progress bar that will appear under the videos thumbnail.
Tip: I think many persons are not aware of the fact in MF versions you can click on the "Small Filename" under the thumbnail of the video and assign a new name to the thumbnail video. MF will use this name in the menu creation stage.
I just finished taking 2 - AVCHD H264 M2TS videos, joined them, went into the edit room and applied a Theme, then split the video into 5 parts, then added transitions between the splits.
Then I rendered the new video to a new file using the custom 1440x1080 15MBS CBR UFF template.
Hope this helps,
The trial is supposed to be fully functional.
Do you know how to make custom templates in MF? (any version)?
In all versions of MF when you click on the lower left hand icon a pop-up box should appear, Save, Save As, Preferences,and also "Disc Template Manager". It's the "Disc Template Manager" that you want to access.
I can easily make new templates using the "Disc Template Manager". Select it, then make sure the top right hand dropdown box is set for your present project type, then click on "New". Create your new custom template and save it.
After you make new templates (make sure they are for your project), then from the MF timeline when you click on the GEAR Icon and select "change mpeg settings" the dropdown will include your new custom template. Select it and MF will assign the video/audio settings to your custom template.
I downloaded the trial and it's fully functional.
I also found that in this version one can insert avc/h264 TS videos & join them, also edit them.
One thing to point out with MF7Pro is under "Preferences" there is an option "Create Proxy Files". Depending on your source videos you may want to turn this feature either On or Off.
When turned on and you insert a High Def video a proxy file will be created under your assigned "Working Folder -> SmartProxy". It seems to work very nice.
Also MF7Pro lets you know it's generating a proxy file because theirs a small like progress bar that will appear under the videos thumbnail.
Tip: I think many persons are not aware of the fact in MF versions you can click on the "Small Filename" under the thumbnail of the video and assign a new name to the thumbnail video. MF will use this name in the menu creation stage.
I just finished taking 2 - AVCHD H264 M2TS videos, joined them, went into the edit room and applied a Theme, then split the video into 5 parts, then added transitions between the splits.
Then I rendered the new video to a new file using the custom 1440x1080 15MBS CBR UFF template.
Hope this helps,
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As promised link to the US purchase option for MF7pro
As promised link to the US purchase option for MF7pro
Great tips thanks, I've used MF since all the way back to V2, and I'm still learning.etech6355 wrote:harhash,
The trial is supposed to be fully functional.
Do you know how to make custom templates in MF? (any version)?
In all versions of MF when you click on the lower left hand icon a pop-up box should appear, Save, Save As, Preferences,and also "Disc Template Manager". It's the "Disc Template Manager" that you want to access.
I can easily make new templates using the "Disc Template Manager". Select it, then make sure the top right hand dropdown box is set for your present project type, then click on "New". Create your new custom template and save it.
After you make new templates (make sure they are for your project), then from the MF timeline when you click on the GEAR Icon and select "change mpeg settings" the dropdown will include your new custom template. Select it and MF will assign the video/audio settings to your custom template.
I downloaded the trial and it's fully functional.
I also found that in this version one can insert avc/h264 TS videos & join them, also edit them.
One thing to point out with MF7Pro is under "Preferences" there is an option "Create Proxy Files". Depending on your source videos you may want to turn this feature either On or Off.
When turned on and you insert a High Def video a proxy file will be created under your assigned "Working Folder -> SmartProxy". It seems to work very nice.
Also MF7Pro lets you know it's generating a proxy file because theirs a small like progress bar that will appear under the videos thumbnail.
Tip: I think many persons are not aware of the fact in MF versions you can click on the "Small Filename" under the thumbnail of the video and assign a new name to the thumbnail video. MF will use this name in the menu creation stage.
I just finished taking 2 - AVCHD H264 M2TS videos, joined them, went into the edit room and applied a Theme, then split the video into 5 parts, then added transitions between the splits.
Then I rendered the new video to a new file using the custom 1440x1080 15MBS CBR UFF template.
Hope this helps,
I noticed that the import video function is much better than it used to be. Indeed, I'm fairly sure that I imported a BluRay folder from my hardrive whilst giving the software a test run a couple of nights ago.
Hi,
Yes, that is actually a nice feature to be able to have. You can import Blu-Ray disks now.
I notice that smartrendering my HDV videos works nicely.
One thing I'd like to point out for the trial version is in the "Ulead Burn-Now 4.5" it doesn't allow you to select an AVCHD or Blu-Ray folder to burn.
This appears to be a limitation of the trial version.
In MF7Pro you can make AVCHD folders on your harddisk.
To burn these folders to a disk is a 2 step procedure. First you highlight the AVCHD folder and then select the destination as an ISO image file (manually select ISO and image file). Then you can burn that image file to a DVD.
The same for making Blu-Ray on standard DVD's (commonly called 3X dvd's), usually only playback on your computer. You select the BDMV folder and burn an ISO image file. Then you can burn that image file to a standard DVD, otherwise the program will force you to burn to a real Blu-Ray Disk.
I just read the manual on how-to make pop-up menus on Blu-Ray disk, you have to select the templates that are named "Pop-up". I'm presently burning a Blu-Ray Disk with Pop-up Menus, background music & sub-titling . These are really a nice features to use.
Just a note, the "BD-J" disk means "Blu-Ray Java", that's what the J stands for and I think is the type of disk created that uses the "Pop-Up" menus functions.
I'll post back the results of the blu-ray disk with pop-ups and how it performed. I'm working mainly with HD-Mpeg2 HDV compliant video.
etech
Yes, that is actually a nice feature to be able to have. You can import Blu-Ray disks now.
I notice that smartrendering my HDV videos works nicely.
One thing I'd like to point out for the trial version is in the "Ulead Burn-Now 4.5" it doesn't allow you to select an AVCHD or Blu-Ray folder to burn.
This appears to be a limitation of the trial version.
In MF7Pro you can make AVCHD folders on your harddisk.
To burn these folders to a disk is a 2 step procedure. First you highlight the AVCHD folder and then select the destination as an ISO image file (manually select ISO and image file). Then you can burn that image file to a DVD.
The same for making Blu-Ray on standard DVD's (commonly called 3X dvd's), usually only playback on your computer. You select the BDMV folder and burn an ISO image file. Then you can burn that image file to a standard DVD, otherwise the program will force you to burn to a real Blu-Ray Disk.
I just read the manual on how-to make pop-up menus on Blu-Ray disk, you have to select the templates that are named "Pop-up". I'm presently burning a Blu-Ray Disk with Pop-up Menus, background music & sub-titling . These are really a nice features to use.
Just a note, the "BD-J" disk means "Blu-Ray Java", that's what the J stands for and I think is the type of disk created that uses the "Pop-Up" menus functions.
I'll post back the results of the blu-ray disk with pop-ups and how it performed. I'm working mainly with HD-Mpeg2 HDV compliant video.
etech
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I think you have stumbled across a page "being prepared in the background" - if you go to the Corel US site and follow the normal links you only get to this page.kaledii wrote:......
Def, an source - i.e. Corel site. When I pressed the 'activate' button on the trial splash screen I was taken to site which offered me to buy the download from the Aus or NZ when I clicked on the NZ site, I was redirected me to a link that allowed me to buy the product from the NZ website. I noticed that in the link it had NZ twice, so I substituted them for GB and was taken to the US store to allow me to buy the download.
I've since rolled back my system to a state prior to installing the trial, so that I could install the upgrade so I don't have a record of the link, but I have a test OS which still has the trial installed and will find it again and report back.
On completing the purchase from the Corel store, I was sent an email with a download link to the main software, and with a little trial and error, I was able to workout the file names for the extra content and 'bonusCD' (based on previous file names I've downloaded on previous versions of VS and MF) and download them too. If anyone else has problems downloading the extra content, I can pm them the file names (I guess they will have a unique tagged link)
This tends to suggest that the United States are not ready to release MovieFactory 7 just yet. When you activated the automated purchase system - that is exactly what it is, automated - no human intervention so no one to stop you from going ahead with your purchase.
Corel did in fact confirm with me that Version 7 is currently only available in Australia and New Zealand. To prevent anyone else falling into the trap of "purchasing" from the United States Store and then finding they have not got all of the material I will remove the links above.
However - thank you for letting us have them because it does suggest that the United States release may not be far off.
It doesn't reencode compliant 24p.........)))))
Dear Etech,
thanks very much for your valuable info.... after your recommendations I reviewed my projects again.... I found from clip info that the the first clip of the project was not recognized by DMF to be 24p actually it reported it to be top field first... I used the export function to export to export a copy of it as 24p and I used it with the second 24p compliant clip and to my great surprise it wasn't reencoded.... I found out that the first clip was shot by my hv30 in interlaced mode and is non progressive.... so
Project with first clip after export and second progressive clip doesn't reencode...
Project with first clip with first non progressive clip and second progressive clip it reencodes the first clip only (nero show time reports the second clip as progressive in the output BDMV folder)...
So I believe it doesn't reencode compliant 24p files.... great and I think I'm on my way to upgrade....
The only catch is that they should have made 24p available in disk templates and encoding properties .... however this is not necessary since it doesn't reencode compliant clips.....
Thanks a lot again for the info and thanks to Ulead/Corel....
thanks very much for your valuable info.... after your recommendations I reviewed my projects again.... I found from clip info that the the first clip of the project was not recognized by DMF to be 24p actually it reported it to be top field first... I used the export function to export to export a copy of it as 24p and I used it with the second 24p compliant clip and to my great surprise it wasn't reencoded.... I found out that the first clip was shot by my hv30 in interlaced mode and is non progressive.... so
Project with first clip after export and second progressive clip doesn't reencode...
Project with first clip with first non progressive clip and second progressive clip it reencodes the first clip only (nero show time reports the second clip as progressive in the output BDMV folder)...
So I believe it doesn't reencode compliant 24p files.... great and I think I'm on my way to upgrade....
The only catch is that they should have made 24p available in disk templates and encoding properties .... however this is not necessary since it doesn't reencode compliant clips.....
Thanks a lot again for the info and thanks to Ulead/Corel....
harhash,
It depends what format when using 24P mode using the HV20/30.
I'm not experienced with it but have read a lot about the 24P being wrapped into a 29.970 framerate by adding/padding frames. Then to get the true 24P back out of the video the software uses pull-down and removes those dummy/padded frames.
These are comments on what I've read about the HV20/30 & 24P mode, I'll pass them on to you:
If in the US (NTSC), the unit it will output 29.970 FPS, the 24P is wrapped inside of the 29.970 by adding frames etc (usually called pulldown/padding 3+2 ). There are a few different methods how programs handle this.
I think if you live in PAL country 24P versus 25 may not be noticeable. But if your in NTSC format and the program doesn't remove the pulldown I hear it doesn't work.
Then again, I know on some systems a video is shot in 24P, then wrapped inside of the 29.970 frame rate. When the dvd player plays this video back it corrects the 29.970 video & applies the correct pull-down so the video is played back correctly. Gets complicated and I've heard that the Canon units use a different pull-down method when putting 24P inside of a 29.970 signal.
I think you will find more information about this on one of the Canon HV10/20/30 forums.
My cam is a Sony HC3 & only shoots in one mode 1080i or Standard DV, so I don't have any experience working with true 24P.
I'm having trouble getting the pop-up menus for Blu-Ray to work correctly in MF7Pro.
Standard blu-ray menus work, no problem. The Pop-Up menus use the "BD-J" format. Not sure what I'm doing wrong unless it's related to a region setting, but even the software players on my computer will not play the BD-J folders.
I wonder if my Java installation for open office is causing problems with this.
I wouldn't think so, I'm just glad they make BD-RE's
I have some 1280x720P true 59.940 videos & MF7Pro is not re-encoding them, it's only re-encoding the audio to match the project settings audio and then puts the 1280x720P video onto the disk, that's a nice feature.
It depends what format when using 24P mode using the HV20/30.
I'm not experienced with it but have read a lot about the 24P being wrapped into a 29.970 framerate by adding/padding frames. Then to get the true 24P back out of the video the software uses pull-down and removes those dummy/padded frames.
These are comments on what I've read about the HV20/30 & 24P mode, I'll pass them on to you:
If in the US (NTSC), the unit it will output 29.970 FPS, the 24P is wrapped inside of the 29.970 by adding frames etc (usually called pulldown/padding 3+2 ). There are a few different methods how programs handle this.
I think if you live in PAL country 24P versus 25 may not be noticeable. But if your in NTSC format and the program doesn't remove the pulldown I hear it doesn't work.
Then again, I know on some systems a video is shot in 24P, then wrapped inside of the 29.970 frame rate. When the dvd player plays this video back it corrects the 29.970 video & applies the correct pull-down so the video is played back correctly. Gets complicated and I've heard that the Canon units use a different pull-down method when putting 24P inside of a 29.970 signal.
I think you will find more information about this on one of the Canon HV10/20/30 forums.
My cam is a Sony HC3 & only shoots in one mode 1080i or Standard DV, so I don't have any experience working with true 24P.
I'm having trouble getting the pop-up menus for Blu-Ray to work correctly in MF7Pro.
Standard blu-ray menus work, no problem. The Pop-Up menus use the "BD-J" format. Not sure what I'm doing wrong unless it's related to a region setting, but even the software players on my computer will not play the BD-J folders.
I wonder if my Java installation for open office is causing problems with this.
I wouldn't think so, I'm just glad they make BD-RE's
I have some 1280x720P true 59.940 videos & MF7Pro is not re-encoding them, it's only re-encoding the audio to match the project settings audio and then puts the 1280x720P video onto the disk, that's a nice feature.