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1080i proxy files failing to generate
Posted: Tue Jul 15, 2008 6:13 pm
by bnva1
Hello,
First time poster...going to try to follow the format here...
Describe your problem: I have VS 11.5+ and have smart proxy turned on. I have a Sanyo HD1000 camcorder and I record in both 1080i at 60fps and 720p at 60 fps. I noticed that the smartproxy files fail for the 1080i files, but for any resolution below 1080i the proxy files generate fine.
Properties of your source files (format, file size, where did you get it?): They are mp4 (H264), 1920 x 1080 at 60fps.
What devices are involved and their mode of connection?:
N/A
Project Properties (important):
Default settings for a new project. 720 x 480 mpeg, at 30 fps.
Output format (file, DVD, VCD, SVCD):
N/A
PAL or NTSC: NTSC
Error Codes (if any): What's frustrating is, there is no error message. I can see the file getting created in the proxy target directory. It builds and builds...and then at about 90% done, it just disappears from the folder and VS just goes on to the next file in the proxy batch.
Product Version: e.g. VS10 or VS11+: 11.5 +
My machine is AMD 64 5600+, Windows Vista 64-bit, 6 gb RAM, 400 gb HDD, GeFORCE 6150SE video card.
Thanks in advance for any suggestions, this is a great forum.
Posted: Tue Jul 15, 2008 10:58 pm
by Ken Berry
I have only ever used SmartProxy once, just to see what happened. And it worked fine. So I am unable to help there. Otherwise, my Quad seems to be able to handle AVCHD video in its native format.
Our high def guru recently posted his own method of editing AVCHD usually a parallel method to SmartProxy, but not actually using SmartProxy. You might want to think about it. This is what etech wrote:
"I first convert my avchd videos to standard definition mpeg2 dvd compliant videos. [KB note: he doesn't say how he does this conversion, but it is not using SmartProxy.]
I then use those dvd compliant videos for editing.
Making sure the "Re-Link" feature is turned on after I save the project I then either move the original mpeg2 dvd compliant videos or replace them with the original avchd vidoes.
After you're done editing the standard mpeg2 and save the project then rename their folder so when you reload the project VS asks you to relink the videos. That's where you then select the original avchd videos. This is my own method using the dvd compliant videos as proxy files (plus I have them to make a standard dvd).
When I render the file or burn an avchd disk I turn off smartrender and the avchd vidoes look fine. I prefer using this proxy method compared to VS method of working with proxy files. Plus I also have them all in DVD compliant format."
Posted: Wed Jul 16, 2008 12:09 am
by bnva1
Ken,
Thanks a lot for the response - I'll give it a try
Posted: Fri Jul 18, 2008 3:22 am
by bnva1
Ken,
Thanks - I was able to use the same technique. I used the DVD MovieFactory 5 SE that was included with the camera. It has an export feature that exported my clips from 1080 60fps to 1080 30 fps and then VS 11.5 was able to process the clips fine.
The resultant 30fps files I was able to use, however, when I tried to relink after doing all my edits back to the original 1080 60fps files, it still died on rendering.
The 30fps source files would render ok though - so at least I'm not dead in the water.
Thanks for your help Ken - appreciate it!
Posted: Fri Jul 18, 2008 4:14 am
by Ken Berry
Your Xacti camera is an AVCHD model, of course... However, Movie Factory 5 SE, whether it came with the camera or not, simply cannot handle AVCHD, so I am not surprised that it fell over on rendering back to AVCHD original format. It is only Movie Factory 6+, moreover with a $20 Power Pack added to it, that allows you to process AVCHD.
So did you try the suggested etech method also with VS11.5+? And can you look at the ? symbol in the top right of the VS screen, then select About Ulead Video Studio. The version number should be 11.5.0157.2 Plus.
Posted: Fri Jul 18, 2008 6:01 am
by etech6355
I don't know to many programs that can actually handle 1080P (true 60FPS/59.940).
I would load a short/small 1080P file on the timeline.
I'm not at a windows machine right now but you can come close with VS11+ doing the following.
Right_Click on the video and select "Properties", read what VS is seeing the videos at, the framerate may be 29.970/30/59.940/60.
Change your project settings to MPEG2 (under the compression tab).
Then on the General Tab Set the framesize to whatever the source is and
then use
FRAME-BASED IF the video is really progressive.
Set the FRAMES Per Second to 59.940 or Match your sources framerate..
I'm not sure what your source is.
If it's true 1920x1080P for NTSC
then use Frame_Based AT 59.940 Frames_Per_Second
Also turn OFF Non-Square Pixel Rendering.
An example would be a true 1280x720P NTSC video would have the following video / audio specs in VS11+.
1280x720 frame_based, 59.940 FPS using a Variable bit Rate of approx 18,000kbs. 1280x720 uses square pixels so Non-Square Pixel Rendering = OFF (unchecked).
But, again this depends on the format the 1280x720P was shot in. It can also be true 30.
If the video is 1920x1080P then Probably around 25,000kbs Variable bit rate with Mpeg Audio.(You have to use the Mpeg Audio when selecting "Mpeg2" under the Compression Tab)
After you make the correct project settings to convert the video
Share -> Create Video File -> Same As Project Settings
You have to treat True progressive video as frame_based, not interlaced, and there are many variations on the format starting at 23.xxx up to 60.
It does get confusing, playing back a real 1920x1080P file needs some good cpu horsepower.
1920x1080 or 1280x720 use square pixels so you would turn OFF "Non-Square Pixel Rendering".
I think that you can also convert a true progressive 60FPS file to interlaced format without much loss.