VisualStudio 11 - bad output file

ziociccio · Post by **ziociccio** » Thu Jul 10, 2008 9:23 am

Hi everybody,

I have a seriuos problem to solve: I have bought (damn it) a Sony dcr-sr35 camcorder with internal hard disk. The output (PAL format) video is a mpeg2 file with the features you can see in the GSPOT screenshot (http://img168.imageshack.us/my.php?image=gspotrr2.png)

I NEED to edit this video, (adding subtitles, effects, cutting etc.) and to make this video readable by ALL standalone DVD players. Using ULEAD VideoStudio Plus 11 trial version, I made several tests (changing settings) but the obtained result doesn't solve my troubles: with my SA player, the audio is "stuttering" while the video quality is really worse than the original file! May you help me out to find the correct setting to reach the total SA DVD player compatibility, maintaining an acceptable audio and the same video quality as the original file's one?

Thank you.

Black Lab · Post by **Black Lab** » Thu Jul 10, 2008 1:11 pm

We need some more info in order to get some ideas as to what might be wrong.

Please read the sticky on the top of this forum, Please Read This Before Posting, and supply us with as much of the requested info that you can.

ziociccio · Post by **ziociccio** » Thu Jul 10, 2008 1:25 pm

Black Lab wrote:We need some more info in order to get some ideas as to what might be wrong.

Please read the sticky on the top of this forum, Please Read This Before Posting, and supply us with as much of the requested info that you can.

Hi,

thanks for your prompt answer.
I've updated my profile... hoping it is usesefull...

Thanks,

Francesco

Post by **Ken Berry** » Thu Jul 10, 2008 1:50 pm

We still need more information. First, how exactly did you capture your video. Your camera is a hard disk model, yes. But the GSpot properties you gave say the file in question is a VOB file, and that does not come from a hard disk camera. Now I have no idea what you are talking about when you say you are using an SA Player. I don't know whether that is meant to stand for 'Stand Alone' or whether it is a brand or something which is not available here in Australia. So I am afraid I will need some clarification.

How exactly did you get the video from your camera into Video Studio? What project properties did you use? For example, from the Sony camera, the Field Order would be Upper Field First (confirmed by GSpot TFF). But if you then used project properties which used the normal default of Lower Field First, then you would certainly have problems with the quality of the output. Motion could appear to stutter, and you would also get jagged edges on vertical lines in panning and fast motion shots.

One basic rule of video editing is that you must always use the same Field Order as the original video. But until we know exactly what you have done, it is impossible to say with any certainty.

ziociccio · Post by **ziociccio** » Thu Jul 10, 2008 2:16 pm

Ken Berry wrote:We still need more information. First, how exactly did you capture your video. Your camera is a hard disk model, yes. But the GSpot properties you gave say the file in question is a VOB file, and that does not come from a hard disk camera. Now I have no idea what you are talking about when you say you are using an SA Player. I don't know whether that is meant to stand for 'Stand Alone' or whether it is a brand or something which is not available here in Australia. So I am afraid I will need some clarification.

How exactly did you get the video from your camera into Video Studio? What project properties did you use? For example, from the Sony camera, the Field Order would be Upper Field First (confirmed by GSpot TFF). But if you then used project properties which used the normal default of Lower Field First, then you would certainly have problems with the quality of the output. Motion could appear to stutter, and you would also get jagged edges on vertical lines in panning and fast motion shots.

One basic rule of video editing is that you must always use the same Field Order as the original video. But until we know exactly what you have done, it is impossible to say with any certainty.

Hi,

to get video file, I connect camcorder via usb and access to hard disk like a device.

SA stays for Stand Alone... sorry.

The field order of the project is the same of the source file (TFF in the GSPOT).

ziociccio · Post by **ziociccio** » Thu Jul 10, 2008 6:59 pm

ziociccio wrote:
Ken Berry wrote:We still need more information. First, how exactly did you capture your video. Your camera is a hard disk model, yes. But the GSpot properties you gave say the file in question is a VOB file, and that does not come from a hard disk camera. Now I have no idea what you are talking about when you say you are using an SA Player. I don't know whether that is meant to stand for 'Stand Alone' or whether it is a brand or something which is not available here in Australia. So I am afraid I will need some clarification.

How exactly did you get the video from your camera into Video Studio? What project properties did you use? For example, from the Sony camera, the Field Order would be Upper Field First (confirmed by GSpot TFF). But if you then used project properties which used the normal default of Lower Field First, then you would certainly have problems with the quality of the output. Motion could appear to stutter, and you would also get jagged edges on vertical lines in panning and fast motion shots.

One basic rule of video editing is that you must always use the same Field Order as the original video. But until we know exactly what you have done, it is impossible to say with any certainty.
Hi,

to get video file, I connect camcorder via usb and access to hard disk like a device.

SA stays for Stand Alone... sorry.

The field order of the project is the same of the source file (TFF in the GSPOT).

what's your suggestion?

Black Lab · Post by **Black Lab** » Thu Jul 10, 2008 8:50 pm

You have only given us some of the important information that was requested in the link I provided. More would be helpful:

Clip properties: right click on a clip and post the properties here

Project properties: go to File > Properties and post the poperties here

Output properties: after you click Share>Create Disc click on the cogwheel icon in the lower left of the burn window and post the properties here.

ziociccio · Post by **ziociccio** » Thu Jul 10, 2008 9:39 pm

Here my project/output and clip properties screenshot:
http://img179.imageshack.us/img179/9284 ... iesfg4.png
http://img179.imageshack.us/my.php?imag ... iesis7.png
http://img179.imageshack.us/img179/3593 ... of2kw4.png
http://img179.imageshack.us/img179/5108 ... of2lk4.png

my videostudio version is in italian... I hope it isn't a problem.

As you can see in the output properties, it's impossibile press "Next" button (in italian is "Avanti" button). I read other post related this problem: I tryed to install patches, but they didn't work (peraphs it's not allowed to install patches in trial version).

For this reason I'm trying to "create" video file, instead of create a DVD.
I think the proble of the "next" button is easy to solve... after buying video studio plus.

First of all I'd like to understand how to edit my camcorder video files.

thanks,

cheers

Post by **Ken Berry** » Fri Jul 11, 2008 12:39 am

Thank you for those detailed properties -- though I still have no idea where that .VOB file in GSpot came from!!

However, the problem with you audio is obvious. Your camera uses Dolby audio and unfortunately the trial version of Video Studio does not have the Dolby codec. This is because Dolby demands a user licence fee for every time its codec is used. And a company like Corel is not going to pay Dolby a fee but then make it available in a free trial version. So I am not sure what to suggest about that. There is a free AC-3 filter on videohelp.com which should at least allow you to import the original Dolby audio, but you would then need to convert it to LPCM or mpeg layer 2 audio in your output.

As for the video quality, if you want to maintain the same level of quality, then you already seem to be using the original properties from your camera: campo superiore, velocità variabile massimo 9100 but of course using a different audio format as I suggested above.

If the video quality you are getting with those properties is no good, then it can only be one of two possible things: (1) the Dolby audio, which cannot be processed properly in the trial version, interfering with the processing of the video stream as well. (2) Your velocità variabile massimo is too high for your SA player to read properly. Many stand along players have difficulty playing DVDs which use a velocità variabile massimo higher than 8000 kbps. So once you resolve your audio problem, I would change the bitrate setting to maximum 8000 kbps.

ziociccio · Post by **ziociccio** » Fri Jul 11, 2008 7:36 am

Hi,

if your are sure that the full version of video studio plus 11 could solve my problem, I'll procede to buy it... before do it I'd like you to answer the following questions:

Ken Berry wrote: though I still have no idea where that .VOB file in GSpot came from!!

My sony dcr-sr35 has a usb cable. When I connect it to the PC, I use sony software to copy video file (BOV format with extension mpeg) in a directory of my file system.

Ken Berry wrote: However, the problem with you audio is obvious. Your camera uses Dolby audio and unfortunately the trial version of Video Studio does not have the Dolby codec. This is because Dolby demands a user licence fee for every time its codec is used. And a company like Corel is not going to pay Dolby a fee but then make it available in a free trial version. So I am not sure what to suggest about that. There is a free AC-3 filter on videohelp.com which should at least allow you to import the original Dolby audio, but you would then need to convert it to LPCM or mpeg layer 2 audio in your output.

I don't understand what your're saying: with trial version I'm able to insert the video file in the story board, add titles and cut some frames. In the preview window, I can see a good video... the problem is when I try to make the output file in DVD quality.
I tried to make an output file in VCD format and the result is that video and audio (in the stand alone DVD reader) works correctly

Ken Berry wrote: (1) the Dolby audio, which cannot be processed properly in the trial version, interfering with the processing of the video stream as well.

If a buy a license and insert it in the video studio plus trial I've installed, audio codec will begin to work correctly? That means that audio codec are installed in my trial version and at the moment has limited funcionalities?

Last question: if I send you a video from my camcorder (I have an ftp server), could you try to edit it (using the video studio full version you probably have, adding a title for example) and export it in mpeg format (dvd quality)?

Thanks a lot

ziociccio · Post by **ziociccio** » Tue Jul 15, 2008 7:54 pm

Does no response mean trial version isn't able solve my problem, before me purchasing full version?

Post by **Ken Berry** » Tue Jul 15, 2008 10:07 pm

You will never be able to process Dolby audio with the trial version for the reason I explained. You cannot buy a license for it separately. You have to buy the full version. You could do a Google search to see if you can find a free Dolby AC-3 filter. There is one, for instance, on videohelp.com, but if you can get it to work, at most it will allow the trial version to see the Dolby audio but it will be processed in another audio format (LPCM or mpeg layer 2).

But leaving that aside, have you tried lowering the bitrate of your output file to around 8000 kbps instead of the current 9100 which, as I said, may be too high for your stand alone player to read properly?

If you can post a small sample of the video on a website, I could download it and try to edit it. That would be the easiest way of getting me a useful size of video. Otherwise, emailing it would probably not be accepted by my ISP for size reasons.