BDMV and Playstation 3

[etech6355]

Ken,
I also wait for feedback from the community before updating the firmware on the PS3. Although usually when you goto play a game it may tell you that you have to update to the latest firmware.

[etech6355]

Ken,
Back to the original thread:

Yes, I also thought he had mentioned also trying a standard DVD.
I don't think that Sony want's the PS3 playing back DVD's in that mode. Maybe it could cause damage to the Blu-Ray player, who knows.
The BDMV mode uses a completely different method to access BDMV's..
The AVCHD mode uses a completely different method to access AVCHD's.
The standard DVD mode uses a completely different method to access standard DVD's.

On top of that spinning the dvd at 3X can cause dvd balancing problems, especially the cheap brand dvd's (or if you put a label on the dvd). It may be that Sony feels it's possible to damage the Blu-Ray Reader, I don't know.

BUT, just for knowledge sake:
I can make a AVCHD disk (with menus, chapters/background music etc) that plays on the PS3 using High Definition mpeg2 source video at 25,000kbs CBR & Dolby Audio 5.1@448kbs
I can also Mix AVCHD & HD-Mpeg2 videos on the same disc and it plays in the PS3 with mixed content.

These same disks that can play on the PS3 when played back in a Consumer Pansonic/Sony/Pioneer Blu-Ray disk players, EX: Sony S300 will playback the AVCHD videos fine but the HD-Mpeg2 videos studder. This is because the players expect to see a Max bit rate of 18MBS for optical media (I think), but the HD-Mpeg2 videos do studder on the consumer based Blu-Ray disk players, the avchd videos play fine.

So the disks that I can make customized for the PS3 (with menus & chapters, same as a standard AVCHD/BDMV disk with menus) will only playback on a PS3 or your computer. They play great.

I don't feel I should post the instructions on how to accomplish this due to the fact that
First: If Sony wanted it to work they would have it working and the PS3 would play the true BDMV structure burnt to a standard dvd.

Second: When you do this the dvd must spin at 3X speed, you can't get that much video on a single layered dvd using mpeg2 so when I do make these disks I make them dual-layer .

Third: I don't want to post on this forum a method or instructions something (a method) that may possibly damage someone's PS3!
It works on mine, I have one of the original PS3's, doesn't mean it will work on all other PS3's, and you need Vista or the latest kernel of Linux compiled to read UDF 2.6 to make these special avchd dvd's. than contain HD-Mpeg2 Video.

The PS3 is more like a computer and that's the reason these mixed format disks I make work on the PS3.

I suggest just making standard compliant AVCHD disks with all AVC/H264 content. (That is the spec)
If you want to playback HD-Mpeg2 videos use a media server or burn the High Definition Mpeg2 videos as a data disk & play them back manually in file mode..

I only made these dvd's as a challenge, all my AVCHD dvd's usually contain only AVC/H264 video. This way it's compliant with the PS3 and consumer Blu-Ray disk players that are AVCHD certified.

[Zclyh3]

So has Ulead addressed the issue of being about to playback actual Blu-ray discs on a PS3?

I'm creating some high definition short track speedskating work and testing out Blu-ray's compabilities. If I can't even get this to work on a PS3 with BDMV then what's the point of even BUYING a PS3?

I will test out the Ulead burned BD-RE and also take it to my local Worst Buy or Circuit City to test out their set top box players.

[sl2008]

Firmware version 2.41 is downloading now on my PS3.

Sergio

[dhnj]

Anybody try creating a Blu-ray disc with HDV files?

I created BR project with mens into BR folders and burned them with Nero 8.

The disc does not work with the PS3 at all, but it works with my computer using PowerDVD 8 Ultra.

Anyone else having issues?

Hi

I have edited Canon HV20 HDV files with VS11.5P and made many Blu-ray BDMV on BD-RE discs with MovieFactory 6.5 Plus with all the updates
and Windows XP Pro SP2. Used a Pioneer BDR-202 burner and the results are fantastic when played back on PS3 with no issues at all ever since 8/2007

[Zclyh3]

Anybody try creating a Blu-ray disc with HDV files?

I created BR project with mens into BR folders and burned them with Nero 8.

The disc does not work with the PS3 at all, but it works with my computer using PowerDVD 8 Ultra.

Anyone else having issues?

Hi

I have edited Canon HV20 HDV files with VS11.5P and made many Blu-ray BDMV on BD-RE discs with MovieFactory 6.5 Plus with all the updates
and Windows XP Pro SP2. Used a Pioneer BDR-202 burner and the results are fantastic when played back on PS3 with no issues at all ever since 8/2007

Why would I need MovieFactory 6.5 Plus? Should I be able to burn it with VS 11.5P? Could you please detail the firmware on your PS3 as well as why you used MovieFactory 6.5?

[dhnj]

Anybody try creating a Blu-ray disc with HDV files?

I created BR project with mens into BR folders and burned them with Nero 8.

The disc does not work with the PS3 at all, but it works with my computer using PowerDVD 8 Ultra.

Anyone else having issues?

Hi

I have edited Canon HV20 HDV files with VS11.5P and made many Blu-ray BDMV on BD-RE discs with MovieFactory 6.5 Plus with all the updates
and Windows XP Pro SP2. Used a Pioneer BDR-202 burner and the results are fantastic when played back on PS3 with no issues at all ever since 8/2007

Why would I need MovieFactory 6.5 Plus? Should I be able to burn it with VS 11.5P? Could you please detail the firmware on your PS3 as well as why you used MovieFactory 6.5?

Hi
I have found that VideoStudio 11.5 Plus is good for editing & outputting the final result. MovieFactory 6.5 Plus is very good for authoring DVD/Blu-ray disc. There are small differences between the 2 products. The total price for the 2 products is still very cheap when you compare the price tag with other pakages that cannot come even near VideoStudio 11.5 Plus & MovieFactory 6.5 Plus. As for the firmware on the PS3 I cannot remember the version I had in August 2007. I am now on 2.41 the very latest. Hope this info will help.

[lschroeder]

Anybody try creating a Blu-ray disc with HDV files?

I created BR project with mens into BR folders and burned them with Nero 8.

The disc does not work with the PS3 at all, but it works with my computer using PowerDVD 8 Ultra.

Anyone else having issues?

Hi

I have edited Canon HV20 HDV files with VS11.5P and made many Blu-ray BDMV on BD-RE discs with MovieFactory 6.5 Plus with all the updates
and Windows XP Pro SP2. Used a Pioneer BDR-202 burner and the results are fantastic when played back on PS3 with no issues at all ever since 8/2007

Why would I need MovieFactory 6.5 Plus? Should I be able to burn it with VS 11.5P? Could you please detail the firmware on your PS3 as well as why you used MovieFactory 6.5?

1. What is MovieFactory 6.5? I have MovieFactory 6 Plus with the latest patches. Is the 6.5 with the Blu-Ray and HD-DVD advance plug-in?

2. My problem, which I have listed in the Movie Factory thread, is that I can not get the M2TS file I am using to get to the last step in MF6+. It will load and Play but loop forever when I push the next button in MF6+ to get to the disk/hard drive creation phase. Do I need Movie Factory 6.5+? I am trying to write these out so my toshiba A2 HD DVD can play my HD PVR recordings there. I want to keep them in HD PVR MPEG4 smaller size format and was hoping MF6+ could do it without recoding. I did find another program, TMPGEnc 4.0 XPress, that would convert the HD PVR MPEG4 to mpeg 2 that would work with MF6+, but the files sizes of the mpeg 2 are considerably larger, which would reguire many DVD/DVD-DL's and many hours of recoding time.

[dhnj]

Hi

I have edited Canon HV20 HDV files with VS11.5P and made many Blu-ray BDMV on BD-RE discs with MovieFactory 6.5 Plus with all the updates
and Windows XP Pro SP2. Used a Pioneer BDR-202 burner and the results are fantastic when played back on PS3 with no issues at all ever since 8/2007

Why would I need MovieFactory 6.5 Plus? Should I be able to burn it with VS 11.5P? Could you please detail the firmware on your PS3 as well as why you used MovieFactory 6.5?

1. What is MovieFactory 6.5? I have MovieFactory 6 Plus with the latest patches. Is the 6.5 with the Blu-Ray and HD-DVD advance plug-in?

2. My problem, which I have listed in the Movie Factory thread, is that I can not get the M2TS file I am using to get to the last step in MF6+. It will load and Play but loop forever when I push the next button in MF6+ to get to the disk/hard drive creation phase. Do I need Movie Factory 6.5+? I am trying to write these out so my toshiba A2 HD DVD can play my HD PVR recordings there. I want to keep them in HD PVR MPEG4 smaller size format and was hoping MF6+ could do it without recoding. I did find another program, TMPGEnc 4.0 XPress, that would convert the HD PVR MPEG4 to mpeg 2 that would work with MF6+, but the files sizes of the mpeg 2 are considerably larger, which would reguire many DVD/DVD-DL's and many hours of recoding time.

Hi

Sorry I made a mistake calling MF6 with all trhe patches as MF6.5. So MF6 with all the patches is still MF6.

The original Post subject was Re: BDMV and Playstation 3. Therefore how does your Toshiba A2 HD DVD come into to this tread.

MF6 can author Blu-ray discs with HDV footage without re-encoding which will play on PS3 without any problems. I have just finished a new Blu-ray BDMV project with 2 hours of HDV footage on a BD-RE 25GB disc.

Using VS11.5Plus & MF6 Plus you can output & author a normal DVD+RW/DVD+DL in AVCHD format with HDV footage with re-encoding which will play on PS3 without any problems, as the disc structure will be in BDMV format. AVCHD max. bit rate 15 mbs. HDV Mpeg2 25 mbs.

[lschroeder]

Why would I need MovieFactory 6.5 Plus? Should I be able to burn it with VS 11.5P? Could you please detail the firmware on your PS3 as well as why you used MovieFactory 6.5?

1. What is MovieFactory 6.5? I have MovieFactory 6 Plus with the latest patches. Is the 6.5 with the Blu-Ray and HD-DVD advance plug-in?

2. My problem, which I have listed in the Movie Factory thread, is that I can not get the M2TS file I am using to get to the last step in MF6+. It will load and Play but loop forever when I push the next button in MF6+ to get to the disk/hard drive creation phase. Do I need Movie Factory 6.5+? I am trying to write these out so my toshiba A2 HD DVD can play my HD PVR recordings there. I want to keep them in HD PVR MPEG4 smaller size format and was hoping MF6+ could do it without recoding. I did find another program, TMPGEnc 4.0 XPress, that would convert the HD PVR MPEG4 to mpeg 2 that would work with MF6+, but the files sizes of the mpeg 2 are considerably larger, which would reguire many DVD/DVD-DL's and many hours of recoding time.

Hi

Sorry I made a mistake calling MF6 with all trhe patches as MF6.5. So MF6 with all the patches is still MF6.

The original Post subject was Re: BDMV and Playstation 3. Therefore how does your Toshiba A2 HD DVD come into to this tread.

MF6 can author Blu-ray discs with HDV footage without re-encoding which will play on PS3 without any problems. I have just finished a new Blu-ray BDMV project with 2 hours of HDV footage on a BD-RE 25GB disc.

Using VS11.5Plus & MF6 Plus you can output & author a normal DVD+RW/DVD+DL in AVCHD format with HDV footage with re-encoding which will play on PS3 without any problems, as the disc structure will be in BDMV format. AVCHD max. bit rate 15 mbs. HDV Mpeg2 25 mbs.

Hi

Sorry about bringing in Toshiba A2 HD DVD. I noticed the MF6.5+ and though there was maybe a new update to MF6+ that might solve my problems loading in MPEG-4 AVC HDTV files created by my Hauppuage HD PVR into MF6+.

I have tried loading the original TS MPEG-4AVC and remuxed MPEG-4AVC M2TS versions of the Hauppuage HD PVR files into MF6+.

I would like to create both PS3 AVCHD and Toshiba A2 HD DVD normal DVD+RW/DVD+DL disks without editing or re-encoding from the HDTV Hauppuage HD PVR files. I was trying the HD DVD first because MF6+ does not have the PS3/Blu-Ray options.

Do you think the MF6+ (with HD Power Pack) might work with the Hauppuage HD PVR files for conversion to the PS3 and/or Toshiba HD DVD as the MF6+ without the HD Power Pack behaves incorrectly as I described in my earlier post?

[etech6355]

Hello,
If it helps,
You cannot make a HD-DVD with AVCHD video on it to play correctly on the Toshiba A2. You must use hd-mpeg2 video. If you want to use AVC/H264 on HD-DVD then try Nero 8, but I doubt it will still play in the A2 if burnt to a standard dvd. You may need to use a real HD_DVD, good luck with that one.

The Maximum bit-rate for AVCHD disks in VS11+ or MF6+ is 18MBS (18,000kbs).
I don't know where the 15MBS Max is coming from, it's 18MBS on my systems. That is the Maximum Bit Rate for optical media as per the AVCHD spec.

If you do encode using 18MBS and set it to Variable Bit Rate the Average bit rate will end up being approx 12MBS. The videos look pretty good compared to the original hd-mpeg2 videos. Most of my encodings are 15MBS Constant Bit Rate.

If your making a true Blu-Ray Disk you can MIX your mpeg2 & avchd videos on the Blu-Ray disk as long as the AVCHD video is AVCHD compliant.

If your using XP you cannot get to the AVCHD videos via windows explorer from an AVCHD disk that was created by VS or MF..
If your using Vista you can read the AVCHD directly from explorer and copy the videos in the STREAMS folder back to your harddisk. Then you can use these AVC/H264 videos (because they are compliant) in a real Blu-Ray Disk Project.

If your not using Vista and running XP then you can import the AVCHD video disk you created from the AVCHD disk by using the Import DVD-VR/AVCHD disk function, then grab those videos after they are extracted and use them in a Blu-Ray Project. Make sure under the GEAR Icon to have the "Do not convert" & "X-Disc" checked ON.

So for a Blu-Ray Project you can mix compliant AVC/H264 videos on the Blu-Ray Disk.
On a HD-DVD project you cannot do this, you must use hd-mpeg2 video.
So I suggest to switch to Blu-Ray and a player such as the PS3. Especially if you are using an AVCHD cam.

Hope this helps

[Ken Berry]

etech -- just as a footnote: I suspect the VBR max 15000 kbps is coming from choosing a frame size of 1440 x 1080 instead of the full AVCHD 1920 x 1080. The latter uses the 18 Mbps max setting.

[dhnj]

Hello,
If it helps,
You cannot make a HD-DVD with AVCHD video on it to play correctly on the Toshiba A2. You must use hd-mpeg2 video. If you want to use AVC/H264 on HD-DVD then try Nero 8, but I doubt it will still play in the A2 if burnt to a standard dvd. You may need to use a real HD_DVD, good luck with that one.

The Maximum bit-rate for AVCHD disks in VS11+ or MF6+ is 18MBS (18,000kbs).
I don't know where the 15MBS Max is coming from, it's 18MBS on my systems. That is the Maximum Bit Rate for optical media as per the AVCHD spec.

If you do encode using 18MBS and set it to Variable Bit Rate the Average bit rate will end up being approx 12MBS. The videos look pretty good compared to the original hd-mpeg2 videos. Most of my encodings are 15MBS Constant Bit Rate.

If your making a true Blu-Ray Disk you can MIX your mpeg2 & avchd videos on the Blu-Ray disk as long as the AVCHD video is AVCHD compliant.

If your using XP you cannot get to the AVCHD videos via windows explorer from an AVCHD disk that was created by VS or MF..
If your using Vista you can read the AVCHD directly from explorer and copy the videos in the STREAMS folder back to your harddisk. Then you can use these AVC/H264 videos (because they are compliant) in a real Blu-Ray Disk Project.

If your not using Vista and running XP then you can import the AVCHD video disk you created from the AVCHD disk by using the Import DVD-VR/AVCHD disk function, then grab those videos after they are extracted and use them in a Blu-Ray Project. Make sure under the GEAR Icon to have the "Do not convert" & "X-Disc" checked ON.

So for a Blu-Ray Project you can mix compliant AVC/H264 videos on the Blu-Ray Disk.
On a HD-DVD project you cannot do this, you must use hd-mpeg2 video.
So I suggest to switch to Blu-Ray and a player such as the PS3. Especially if you are using an AVCHD cam.

Hope this helps

Hi

Vs11.5 Plus creates AVCHD files as follow:
H.264 1920 x 1080 max 18000 kbps
H.264 1440 x 1080 max 15000 kbps from HDV footage.

[dhnj]

1. What is MovieFactory 6.5? I have MovieFactory 6 Plus with the latest patches. Is the 6.5 with the Blu-Ray and HD-DVD advance plug-in?

2. My problem, which I have listed in the Movie Factory thread, is that I can not get the M2TS file I am using to get to the last step in MF6+. It will load and Play but loop forever when I push the next button in MF6+ to get to the disk/hard drive creation phase. Do I need Movie Factory 6.5+? I am trying to write these out so my toshiba A2 HD DVD can play my HD PVR recordings there. I want to keep them in HD PVR MPEG4 smaller size format and was hoping MF6+ could do it without recoding. I did find another program, TMPGEnc 4.0 XPress, that would convert the HD PVR MPEG4 to mpeg 2 that would work with MF6+, but the files sizes of the mpeg 2 are considerably larger, which would reguire many DVD/DVD-DL's and many hours of recoding time.

Hi

Sorry I made a mistake calling MF6 with all trhe patches as MF6.5. So MF6 with all the patches is still MF6.

The original Post subject was Re: BDMV and Playstation 3. Therefore how does your Toshiba A2 HD DVD come into to this tread.

MF6 can author Blu-ray discs with HDV footage without re-encoding which will play on PS3 without any problems. I have just finished a new Blu-ray BDMV project with 2 hours of HDV footage on a BD-RE 25GB disc.

Using VS11.5Plus & MF6 Plus you can output & author a normal DVD+RW/DVD+DL in AVCHD format with HDV footage with re-encoding which will play on PS3 without any problems, as the disc structure will be in BDMV format. AVCHD max. bit rate 15 mbs. HDV Mpeg2 25 mbs.

Hi

Sorry about bringing in Toshiba A2 HD DVD. I noticed the MF6.5+ and though there was maybe a new update to MF6+ that might solve my problems loading in MPEG-4 AVC HDTV files created by my Hauppuage HD PVR into MF6+.

I have tried loading the original TS MPEG-4AVC and remuxed MPEG-4AVC M2TS versions of the Hauppuage HD PVR files into MF6+.

I would like to create both PS3 AVCHD and Toshiba A2 HD DVD normal DVD+RW/DVD+DL disks without editing or re-encoding from the HDTV Hauppuage HD PVR files. I was trying the HD DVD first because MF6+ does not have the PS3/Blu-Ray options.

Do you think the MF6+ (with HD Power Pack) might work with the Hauppuage HD PVR files for conversion to the PS3 and/or Toshiba HD DVD as the MF6+ without the HD Power Pack behaves incorrectly as I described in my earlier post?

Hi

You will need the HD Power Pack for both VS11.5+ & MF6+ if you intend making BDMV(Blu-ray disc with Menu).

[Ken Berry]

And the Power Pack for VS11+ (to make it VS11.5+) is free to registered owners of VS11+. But for MF6+, it costs US$20 IIRC... I am not sure why there is this discrepancy.