Free VS11.5 for MSP8 users

[neonbob]

So why not be a little patient before jumping to conclusions and knocking the free product they gave you.

I don't think anyone here is "knocking the free product". I think we all appreciate Corel for doing what has been done. On the other hand it's really sort of a useless effort.... There is just simply no way a person can go from MSP to VS. It just doesn't work that way.

I loaded VS onto my machine, played with it for 15 minutes or so.... said "gee what a neat little toy", and then uninstalled it.

The offer from Corel is nice.... but I'm not sure how anyone is supposed to take it seriously.

As far as "VideoStudio Pro goes".... first of all at present anyway... it is what it is.... and that is nothing. There is no VideoStudio Pro, and further more I'm not exactly secure in the idea a VideoStudio "PRO" anyway. I don't see how there is anyway to take that interface and fix it so that a PRO would be interested in it. It's a consumer level program. You try and take that program to a "pro" level and I will bet that it dies just like MSP did.

Corel (Ulead) produces great CONSUMER level video programs..... that is their Niche. They tried to break out of the box with MSP and it didn't work. I would be surprised to see them try again.

[Devil]

Corel (Ulead) produces great CONSUMER level video programs..... that is their Niche. They tried to break out of the box with MSP and it didn't work. I would be surprised to see them try again.

Oh, so wrong! MSP was marketed for many years before VS; I think MSP was their first video product going back to the early 1990s. I think VS came out about 2000.

Anyway, you are still speculating about things that you, I and everyone except some Corel employees have not a clue about. I find it silly to be prejudiced about something about which you are totally ignorant. You may be right, you may be wrong, so please stop trying to second-guess what is going on and possibly influencing third parties. This is a warning!

[asande]

Anyway, you are still speculating about things that you, I and everyone except some Corel employees have not a clue about. I find it silly to be prejudiced about something about which you are totally ignorant. You may be right, you may be wrong, so please stop trying to second-guess what is going on and possibly influencing third parties. This is a warning!

Hi, Devil:

Could you do me a favour and re-read your message in this thread from August 11 before issuing any warnings about speculation and influencing third parties? You can't have it both ways.

Just keep in mind that if this software was total garbage, none of us would care enough to bother with it and all of the ongoing nonsense in here... We've all got a big investment in time and money into this platform and we're just trying to determine the best way to minimize our losses.

Certainly, Corel has to be complimented for offering us a free product, but in my opinion, it's a step backwards... And that's from my experience in trying to use it again, not just random speculation.

Al

[Devil]

I don't know whether it makes a difference, but I stated loud and clear that it was speculation based on a little knowledge. Others have made opinionated statements that appeared categorical and knowledgeable but which, in fact, were even more speculative than what I suggested. All I was doing was to try to place the church back into the middle of the village.

The only advice I have is wait and see.

If any of you don't like this advice and give more gratuitous opinion, I reserve the right to remove the post and/or lock the thread.

[neonbob]

I don't know whether it makes a difference, but I stated loud and clear that it was speculation based on a little knowledge.

NO... it DOESN'T make a difference. There is no such thing as near or far, right or wrong speculation. Speculation is just that.

You may warn if you wish, but your speculation (and crystal ball) are no better or worse than mine.

[troppo]

If any of you don't like this advice and give more gratuitous opinion, I reserve the right to remove the post and/or lock the thread.

Surely we can express our opinion in a discussion forum, and last time I checked 'speculating' was not outlawed according to the rules.
Isn't removing/locking this discussion just a little heavy handed?

I don't see the harm in letting the discussion take its course. I, for one, am interested in the peoples experiences with VS, and how it compares to MSP.

[Devil]

I don't see the harm in letting the discussion take its course. I, for one, am interested in the peoples experiences with VS, and how it compares to MSP.

No harm whatsoever, provided the comparison is made against existing software, not against what is, for the moment, vapourware. Only when the vapour condenses into something more concrete, should the discussion be extended to the new versions.

I know a couple of guys who have used VS for years for simple jobs and MSP for the more complex ones. Personally, I prefer MSP for everything to avoid confusing my befuddled brain. I have had VS 11.5+ installed for several months but find it frustrating after MSP.

[neonbob]

I have had VS 11.5+ installed for several months but find it frustrating after MSP.

And that's my entire point. Sure.... it was nice of Corel to make such an offer. They most certainly didn't have to, but it was sort of a useless offer. Adults don't like getting treated like children and that's sort of what this program does after using MSP.

Furthermore VS is definitely a consumer (or beginner) level program. I just don't see how you can ever take that interface and turn it into an intermediate or pro level program. It's just too simplified. If they have some kind of replacement planned or in the works then it's going to have to be based more on the MSP interface, but then you get into the same problem that Pinnacle Studio and Avid Liquid have (studio and Liquid are brothers)... the interfaces are different enough so that when a studio user wants to upgrade, they end up looking at other programs along with Liquid because they're going to have to learn an entirely new interface anyway. (Liquid BTW, has suffered the same fate as MSP.... they're is SUPPOSED to be a replacement in 2009... it'll be interesting to see what inerface they choose to go with).

Sony does not suffer this issue with their programs. The interfaces between their beginner program and pro one are so similar that the upgrade path feels quite natural and they don't loose customers. At the same time you don't feel like an adult using a child's program in either case.

[Devil]

And MY entire point which is what I'm battling with is that you are prejudging VS12 Pro on what you know from VS11.5+. This is evil, because you have made up your mind that there is no way that it will work before you have even seen it. What is even more evil is that you are telling others this. You may have an opinion, but you state it as fact and that is wrong. Why can't you keep a more open mind until you actually see the beast?

I don't say that your opinions are wrong, you are entitled to them, and I fear you may be perfectly right, but then I don't KNOW and neither do you, so please stop pontificating as if you do know.

If, when it is launched and I hope within a few weeks, you find it unsuitable for your own personal needs, you can state this, but don't call it crap because it may be perfect for the needs of many, many others and it will surely satisfy your wish, "The interfaces between their beginner program (VS12) and pro one (VS12Pro) are so similar that the upgrade path feels quite natural and they don't lose customers."

Between thee and me (and this is where I speculate - stated loud and clear as such), IF the Pro version does not meet your immediate requirements, it is possible that it will develop, in time, into, perhaps not an MSP look-alike, but at least a half-way house at a price that will make Vegas and Premiere users blanche! Anyway, shall we just wait and see?

[neonbob]

And MY entire point which is what I'm battling with is that you are prejudging VS12 Pro on what you know from VS11.5+. This is evil, because you have made up your mind that there is no way that it will work before you have even seen it.

I haven't made up my mind at all. IF a VSpro comes out, I will test it just like I test any other NLE on the market. My mind is always open to new things. But if the interface and its workings are not up to MSP standards then it will be another useless effort (for me anyway).

My only comment thus far is that I don't see how it's possible to take VS and turn it into something usable by the MSP crowd without turning the original VS inside out and upside down..... in which case it's really no longer VS