'Fast Export HD-DVD Compliant Video...' option, not working!

[mirwais]

Hello, I'm having problems (still) trying to make an hd-dvd from panasonic HDC-SD9 video files, I'm able to add them to the timeline and go through all the process, even burning the disc but it plays jerky. When you click a video and select 'Export selected clips' it show several options, and there is one that says 'Fast Export HD-DVD Compliant Video...', when I click on it, it 'converts' the file very fast since the file is already compliant, and creates an equal video, when I make a new project with the videos created with this 'HD-DVD compliant video' profile, the burned disc plays the same as the other ones. So my question is, does the export to compliant video option work??
It's not the media that doesn't work, I tried +r -r and everything else, even created an iso and mounted it, plays the same.
Any help?

[etech6355]

It will studder, you cannnot put AVCHD video on a standard dvd written in the HD-DVD format. It must be hd-mpeg2 video.

This Panasonic ¡§HDC-SD9¡¨ is an AVCHD cam, so your source videos are AVC/H264 AVCHD compliant videos.

When you put AVCHD Compliant Video on a standard dvd burnt in the HD-DVD format ( Commonly called a 3X DVD) it will studder. As far as I know when you put AVC/H264 on HD-DVD it must be burnt to a real HD-DVD, not a standard dvd. You can make the standard dvd work as a HD-DVD and it spins at 3X speed, but the video has to be hd-mpeg2.

You must put HD-Mpeg2 video on a 3X DVD ( A dvd burnt as a HD-DVD).

The ¡§Fast Export HD-DVD Compliant Video¡¨ can be tricky. It uses your project settings video & audio parameters (located under the GEAR Icon) to re-render the video. But, the module is tricky because ¡§IF¡¨ the video is already compliant or one part of the video is already compliant then it will not convert the compliant part of the video.

Whenever you work with any video editior you need to make sure your ¡§Project Settings¡¨ are equal to your source video settings.

Do you have the MF6+ ¡§HD-ADD-ON¡¨ Pack? I think you should be making AVCHD disks or Blu-Ray Disks. These disks have menus and navigate the same as standard dvd's.

You can make HD-DVD's from your source avc/h264 videos by converting them to hd-mpeg2 video. Your camcorder records in a format that is more compatible with Blu-Ray. So really you should be making AVCHD disks, which is a dvd that contains High Definition video and will playback in any AVCHD compliant device such as ¡§Sony Playstation 3¡¨, Sony BluRay Disc Players, Panasonic & Pioneer blu-ray disk players.

If you have MovieFactory 6 Plus you should purchase the ¡§HD Power Pack¡¨ & then you can make AVCHD DVD's or burn true Blu-Ray Disks:
http://www.ulead.com/dmf/plugin.htm

AVCHD disks are the standard now for putting AVCHD video on standard dvd's since Toshiba & others dropped the HD-DVD format.

I have the Ulead DVD MovieFactory Plus 6 HD Power Pack installed and make AVCHD disks. They play great in any Blu-Ray disk player that's AVCHD compliant.
You can also burn true BDMV (Blu-Ray) Disks with the add-on pack.

Note: Almost all Sony, Pioneer,Panasonic players are Blu-Ray AVCHD compliant. I know that the Panasonic also has a SD card reader so all you have to do is record to your SD card & put the card into the panasonic player.

Hope this helps

[mirwais]

Thanks for your excellent response.
I do have the HD pack plugin, I've made a 'blu-ray' disc on regular dvd media and it plays fine on my computer, I wanted to burn my discs to the HD-DVD format (3xdvd) because I wanted to watch my movies on the living room plasma, on the 360 add-on, without having to move the computer to the other room whenever I wanted to watch a blu-ray or AVCHD disc, well, I had to.
Thanks for making it clear that HD-DVD supports only mpegHD, altough I think the option for making HD-dvds from h.264 content on regular dvd media should be greyed out/Not available or show a warning or something because I spent like three weeks trying and obviously not making one that worked, I even purchased a new computer, because I thought the jerkyness was due to failed video/audio remuxing or something, but I wanted to buy a new PC anyway so
Anyway, thanks again, and now I'll burn everything on blu from now on
Is there a particular reason HD-DVD doesn't support h.264 on dvd-r?? Does it require higher spin rate or something like that?

[tanzer1]

Please note that DMS6 DOES NOT allow editing using the "edit room" or joining or separating video clips when using native AVCHD files. You have to convert them to MPEG 2 which loses some quality (but not terrible). This is a shortcoming of the product and I asked for my money back for downloading the HD pack since it didn't really add anything other than support for burning AVCHD to play in blue ray devices (I have a Toshiba HD DVD not a blue ray) so all I needed was PATCH 2 which I had already downloaded. Hopefully Corel will add support for the transitions, joining clips etc. for AVCHD to the product.

[etech6355]

I would keep a good copy of MF6+, your serial number and the patches.
As far as I can tell HD-DVD is being dropped in future releases (with many products).

MF6+ does not edit TS (transport stream) video, either avchd or mpeg2 in TS format. It has to be PS (program stream) format.

MF7Pro can edit & join avchd or mpeg2 in TS format. The down side for you is I haven't seen any HD-DVD in the MF7standard or Pro write-ups, and it's not released yet except for a few locations.
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So keep your copy of MF6+ backed up & available if you plan to stay with a HD-DVD player.

AVCHD Discs (Single or Dual-layer DVD's) played back on Blu-Ray players is nice.

I would be patient & see what the next release of Video Studio & MF7Pro offers. I think you can do a lot of direct editing of avc/h264 with it (including proxy files).

[lion2008]

Thanks for your excellent response.
I do have the HD pack plugin, I've made a 'blu-ray' disc on regular dvd media and it plays fine on my computer, I wanted to burn my discs to the HD-DVD format (3xdvd) because I wanted to watch my movies on the living room plasma, on the 360 add-on, without having to move the computer to the other room whenever I wanted to watch a blu-ray or AVCHD disc, well, I had to.
Thanks for making it clear that HD-DVD supports only mpegHD, altough I think the option for making HD-dvds from h.264 content on regular dvd media should be greyed out/Not available or show a warning or something because I spent like three weeks trying and obviously not making one that worked, I even purchased a new computer, because I thought the jerkyness was due to failed video/audio remuxing or something, but I wanted to buy a new PC anyway so
Anyway, thanks again, and now I'll burn everything on blu from now on
Is there a particular reason HD-DVD doesn't support h.264 on dvd-r?? Does it require higher spin rate or something like that?

I have succesfully burned a Mini-HD-DVD (=HD-DVD content on regular DVD) using a .ts-file including a h.264-Video-Stream with MF6+ / HD-Plugin like other users in the avsforum-thread about Mini-HD-DVD's. It is only tricky to make MF6+ NOT re-encode the h.264-Video to MPEG2:
If MF6+ considers the file including h.264-Video not to be compliant for not re-encoding, it will re-encode to MPEG2 even if your settings do match the original values of the videofile. I finally got it without re-encoding by first demuxing the .ts-file with tsMuxeR and then joining the video- and the audio-stream again with tsMuxeR - with all settings unchanged in tsMuxeR ! Apparently, the header information of the .ts-file must correctly match with the requirements of MF6+ in order to avoid re-encoding . Once I have applied this workaround, the h.264-file will even be burned without re-encoding if the video is 25fps (1080i50) from European HDTV, provided that you have choosen "PAL/SECAM" in your preferences

[mirwais]

When I try to make an HD-DVD MF6 doesn't reencode, I choose the
'do not convert...' evertything goes smoothly, create disc (or image), but plays jerky and/or stops playing. I guess my camera is at fault

Anyone succesful with files created with the Pana HDC-SD9?

[etech6355]

Hi,
The h264 format for HD-DVD is not the same as AVCHD.
Take a look at Nero 8 Ultra and you will see there are H264 encoding methods for HD-DVD and a H264 encoding for either AVCHD or Blu-Ray Disk. Both are technically different.

In Nero when you want to make a H264 for HD-DVD the program will not let you go below 15MBS. So there is a difference.

Even at that I don't know if either format burnt to standard dvd's will work unless it's hd-mpeg2 video or a real HD-DVD.

When you use MF6+ to make a HD-DVD you need to use hd-mpeg2, so if your source is AVC/H264 then you will have to convert it to hd-mpeg2.

These are the settings I use for converting AVCHD to HD-Mpeg2:
FrameSize = 1440x1080 or 1920x1080 (match your source)
Aspect Ratio = 16:9
Framerate = 25(PAL) or 29.97 (NTSC)
Fielding = Upper_Field_First
Quality/Compressiion = 100%
Video_Bit_Rate = 25,000kbs Constant or Variable (depends on the quality you originally recorded your AVC/H264 at)
Audio - Lpcm or Dolby

If one is using an AVCHD cam you will eventually have to switch to the Blu-Ray format along with their players.
HD-DVD is not supported anymore.

[mirwais]

Hi, having to convert the h.264 files to mpegHD kind of sucks, cause I can't fit as much footage on a disk, and there's always the reencoding, losing quality. MF6 should not let you make an HD-DVD full of h.264 videos if it's not gonna work, a lot of time wasted trying to create one.
thanks, hopefully I'll buy a ps3 soon.

[lion2008]

Hi,
The h264 format for HD-DVD is not the same as AVCHD.
Take a look at Nero 8 Ultra and you will see there are H264 encoding methods for HD-DVD and a H264 encoding for either AVCHD or Blu-Ray Disk. Both are technically different.

In Nero when you want to make a H264 for HD-DVD the program will not let you go below 15MBS. So there is a difference.

Even at that I don't know if either format burnt to standard dvd's will work unless it's hd-mpeg2 video or a real HD-DVD.

When you use MF6+ to make a HD-DVD you need to use hd-mpeg2, so if your source is AVC/H264 then you will have to convert it to hd-mpeg2.

[If one is using an AVCHD cam you will eventually have to switch to the Blu-Ray format along with their players.
HD-DVD is not supported anymore.

I agree in principle with respect to AVC/h.264, but there seems to be a workaround which I have found in another forum (AVSforum.com) titled "Playing AVCHD using normal dvd-r on HD-DVD player". Obviously, this will work, but creating a AVCHD-DVD to be played in a Blue-Ray-Player is of course much easier to realize.
On the other hand, if your video is just h.264 not coming from a AVCHD-Camcorder but from HDTV-broadcasting, you will get your HD-DVD on DVD-R keeping the h.264-compression as mentionned in my earlier post in this thread, so you won't have to switch to hd-mpeg2.

[mirwais]

Hi, I'll have to checkout that post on the avsforum, thanks for the tip, but my files do come from AVCHD camera, the problematic HDC-SD9
Anyway, I'll give it a try, thanks.

[etech6355]

Hi,

The thing about the Panasonic HDC-SD9 is it can record 1920x1080P (progressive). So what mode does one record in? 24P or 60P?

So you can record true 24P etc. This gets very complicated when applying this format in the editors.

I don't own this cam but would look for some features in the setup menu as to be able to record in a more compatible format (standard AVCHD).

They didn't make it easy on the average consumer if the cam defaults to 24P, because that requires pull-down / padding etc..
I think that cam is more than just a standard AVCHD cam.
1920x1080@50/60P can be converted to interlaced 25i/29.97i

[mirwais]

The camera records in 1920x1080P only in 24fps, but I record in 1920x1080i at 30fps to avoid pulldown and more problems with burning software, but, neither works.