Ulead VideoStudio 11 Plus DVD creation Help needed
Hello Everyone,
I am new to video editing and I am having a problem. I capture HDV video on to my PC in MPEG format 1 hour video is 11.5 GIGS. I am able to edit the video but when I am done and try to create a disk even though I have set it to a duel layer disk 8.5 Gigs it compresses the video to 3.5 gigs. How do I force it to use the whole 8.5 Gigs of disk and keep the video as uncompressed as possible?
Thanx
Ulead VideoStudio 11 Plus DVD creation Help needed
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But I am afraid a little lesson in formats is in order. HDV, obviously enough, is a high definition format of mpeg-2. It uses a frame size of 1440x1080 and a speed of 50i for PAL and 60i for NTSC. It also uses a bitrage of 25000 kbps. Because of all these factors, it is not compliant with the international standard for standard defintion and DVD-compliant mpeg-2.
As such, it has to be downconverted from high def mpeg-2 to standard def mpeg-2. Your file of 8.5 GB edited mpeg-2 is high def. A standard def mpeg-2 will only use a bitrate of a maximum of 8000 kbps and a frame size of 720 x 576 for PAL and 720 x 480 for NTSC. The speeds are also half those for high def (25 fps for PAL and 29.97 for NTSC). As such, the end converted file will be quite a lot smaller than the original edited high def file.
In fact, with this project, you didn't need a dual layer DVD, but only a single layer one!
I would also recommend that you downconvert in the Editing module (Share > Create Video File > DVD). Then close the project. The open the burning module (Share > Create Disc > DVD). Insert your new SD mpeg-2 file in the burning module, build your menu and burn. As it is, I think you are editing your HDV, then jumping straight to the burning module. This can work, but seems to cause a lot of people problems.
But I am afraid a little lesson in formats is in order. HDV, obviously enough, is a high definition format of mpeg-2. It uses a frame size of 1440x1080 and a speed of 50i for PAL and 60i for NTSC. It also uses a bitrage of 25000 kbps. Because of all these factors, it is not compliant with the international standard for standard defintion and DVD-compliant mpeg-2.
As such, it has to be downconverted from high def mpeg-2 to standard def mpeg-2. Your file of 8.5 GB edited mpeg-2 is high def. A standard def mpeg-2 will only use a bitrate of a maximum of 8000 kbps and a frame size of 720 x 576 for PAL and 720 x 480 for NTSC. The speeds are also half those for high def (25 fps for PAL and 29.97 for NTSC). As such, the end converted file will be quite a lot smaller than the original edited high def file.
In fact, with this project, you didn't need a dual layer DVD, but only a single layer one!
I would also recommend that you downconvert in the Editing module (Share > Create Video File > DVD). Then close the project. The open the burning module (Share > Create Disc > DVD). Insert your new SD mpeg-2 file in the burning module, build your menu and burn. As it is, I think you are editing your HDV, then jumping straight to the burning module. This can work, but seems to cause a lot of people problems.
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Hi Ken,
Thanks for the great post; I think I understand what you are saying. So let me ask this, when you rest a movie from the video store it is on a dual layer DVD and is usually around 7.5 gigs in size. Is there away to burn my home movies like that so they maintains as good as quality as possible?
James
Thanks for the great post; I think I understand what you are saying. So let me ask this, when you rest a movie from the video store it is on a dual layer DVD and is usually around 7.5 gigs in size. Is there away to burn my home movies like that so they maintains as good as quality as possible?
James
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Another little lesson, I am afraid... You can't really compare a home made DVD with a commercial one. The latter are produced in quite a different way. First, the movies are generally shot using expensive cameras and using a speed which most consumer level video cameras simply don't have. They are then processed using multiple passes on equipment which costs hundreds of thousands if not millions of dollars. And finally, they are not burned to disc but simply pressed into it.
For home made discs, apart from your skill as a cameraman, your camera lens and the microphone on the camera, the final quality essentially depends on the bitrate used. The higher the bitrate, the higher the quality. At the same time, however, a higher bitrate means a larger file, and so the higher the bitrate the less you can fit on a DVD. But the limitations are that under the international DVD standard, a DVD cannot have a combined video and audio bitrate higher than 10,000 kbps. Morover, many stand-alone DVD players cannot correctly play a disc which has a video bitrate higher than 8000 kbps. But that bitrate gives very good quality indeed, all other things being equal. And 8000 kbps means that you can burn roughly 1 hour of video on a single layer DVD, or about 10 - 15 minutes more if you use one of the more compressed audio bitrates like Dolby or mpeg layer 2 which keeps the audio bitrate down and so allows more video to be burned.
In other words, if your project only consists of one hour more or less of video, if you use the maximum permissible 8000 kbps bitrate, you should get as good a quality as is possible and fit it all on a single layer DVD. You cannot "make" it into a larger file which would fit on a dual layer disc by using a higher bitrate because the final DVD simply would not play on anything.
The only way of improving on the quality of a video using these settings is when you convert your project into a DVD-compatible mpeg-2. There is a quality slider set by default to around 70%. You can slide this up to 100. You could also use a two-pass encode if using a Variable bitrate (VBR) which means the program goes through your project once to assess how best it can produce the best quality. Then it goes through a second time and applies its assessment. That of course will double the length of time of encoding, and the increased quality slider also means more processing time. Note though that these steps will only produce rather small increases in quality, and those increases may not always be particularly noticeable to the naked eye.
For HD cameras, the get a final disc which equates to the same quality as the camera, you have to buy a Blu-Ray burner and Blu-Ray discs, both of which are currently very expensive. Then you, your friends and family, will have to have Blu-Ray players which can play them. VS11.5+ will also burn what are called hybrid discs, converting your high def HDV files into high def AVCHD files which are burned in a Blu-Ray type of folder onto a standard DVD. But they can only be played back either on a software player on your computer rated to play Blu-Ray, or a stand-alone Blu-Ray rated player which is also rated to play such hybrid discs. One such player, though, is the Sony PlayStation 3, and I am here to tell you it does a marvellous job!!
For home made discs, apart from your skill as a cameraman, your camera lens and the microphone on the camera, the final quality essentially depends on the bitrate used. The higher the bitrate, the higher the quality. At the same time, however, a higher bitrate means a larger file, and so the higher the bitrate the less you can fit on a DVD. But the limitations are that under the international DVD standard, a DVD cannot have a combined video and audio bitrate higher than 10,000 kbps. Morover, many stand-alone DVD players cannot correctly play a disc which has a video bitrate higher than 8000 kbps. But that bitrate gives very good quality indeed, all other things being equal. And 8000 kbps means that you can burn roughly 1 hour of video on a single layer DVD, or about 10 - 15 minutes more if you use one of the more compressed audio bitrates like Dolby or mpeg layer 2 which keeps the audio bitrate down and so allows more video to be burned.
In other words, if your project only consists of one hour more or less of video, if you use the maximum permissible 8000 kbps bitrate, you should get as good a quality as is possible and fit it all on a single layer DVD. You cannot "make" it into a larger file which would fit on a dual layer disc by using a higher bitrate because the final DVD simply would not play on anything.
The only way of improving on the quality of a video using these settings is when you convert your project into a DVD-compatible mpeg-2. There is a quality slider set by default to around 70%. You can slide this up to 100. You could also use a two-pass encode if using a Variable bitrate (VBR) which means the program goes through your project once to assess how best it can produce the best quality. Then it goes through a second time and applies its assessment. That of course will double the length of time of encoding, and the increased quality slider also means more processing time. Note though that these steps will only produce rather small increases in quality, and those increases may not always be particularly noticeable to the naked eye.
For HD cameras, the get a final disc which equates to the same quality as the camera, you have to buy a Blu-Ray burner and Blu-Ray discs, both of which are currently very expensive. Then you, your friends and family, will have to have Blu-Ray players which can play them. VS11.5+ will also burn what are called hybrid discs, converting your high def HDV files into high def AVCHD files which are burned in a Blu-Ray type of folder onto a standard DVD. But they can only be played back either on a software player on your computer rated to play Blu-Ray, or a stand-alone Blu-Ray rated player which is also rated to play such hybrid discs. One such player, though, is the Sony PlayStation 3, and I am here to tell you it does a marvellous job!!
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No. But it begs the question of how big a file you are talking about, and with the AVI one, what kind of AVI it is. It is often better to use a specialised program for the conversion. I find that the DivX converter which I think comes as part of the free DivX codec suite (and certainly does with the Pro version) does a good job for that.
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