File type not supported yet? (Blu-Ray)

richmg821 · Post by **richmg821** » Wed Jun 11, 2008 4:04 pm

I made a 2.5 hour mts file; of AVCHD videos to burn to a Blu-Ray Disc. I also checked the; make a Blu-Ray folder box, incase the rendering (about 20 hours with my CPU) was good, but the burning process failed. Well the burning process failed, the BR folder was made, and when I tried to burn it to the disc, I got the message... "File type, not supported yet". I thought maybe I had corrupted files, since it never completed. I then (erased) the BD-RE disc (burner is okay) made a test 2 minute HD video, to the disk, and made another folder, for the BR files, on the HD. The BR disc, came out great, (@ 28000 BPS).
I then tried making a BR disc, from the new folders; opened up VS11+ editor, to make disc. Folder highlighted, and when I opened the folder, I got the same message... "File type, not supported yet". File type, not supported yet; then why let me make a folder for something that won't work? I'm sure I have all the updates. Is there another way to burn my Blu-Ray folder? If there is no way to burn the BR folders, the BR editing is worthless, because endering a project, just to make one BR disc, is too long.
Thanks.

etech6355 · Post by **etech6355** » Thu Jun 12, 2008 12:19 am

Within the BDMV folder that was created on the harddisk the videos should have an extension of M2TS (not MTS, for burning a BDMV Disk).
If the videos that lie within the BDMV structure do have a M2TS extension then simply use any burning program that can burn a Blu-Ray disk.
An example would be Nero using UDF only, Manual Partition selecting UDF 2.6 format. Then burn the complete BDMV directory/file structure to the Blu-Ray Disk.
Note: You cannot read this disk under XP, you would need Vista to read the disk from explorer. You can play the disk using a suitable software player under either XP or Vista.

Not sure if this answers your question or not.
I'm assuming you are burning H264 (AVCHD) video to the Blu-Ray disk.

richmg821 · Post by **richmg821** » Thu Jun 12, 2008 3:04 am

I used Movie Wizard to make a Blu-Ray DVD, from a mt2 file. You take the mt2 file, and drag it into the box. It then takes the file and renders it to Blu-Ray folders, and then burns the disc. Burning failed... But, the BR folder was created.
After the folder was made, VS11+ didn't allow me to burn it, ("File type, not supported yet"). The Blu-Ray burner I purchased, came with mostly worthless software; an outdated Cyberlink suite. I had to upgrade the player, to see a Blu-ray movie or disc ($60); and today I downloaded the latest 30 day trial version of their Video Producer. This trial version recognised my blu-ray folder, as did VS11, but let me burn. I then burned the 2 min folder. The Blu-Ray disc/video/menus came out exactly as I created with Uleads Movie Wizard. Right now, I'm burning the 2.5 hour video, using Cyberlink. My beef is; that if Ulead let me create and save these folders, regardless of what is in them (and it's alot, more than a DVD folder); with their Movie Wizard, I should be able to use them. Not receive a message, not supported yet. Movie Wizard, made the contents, in the folder, from what I wanted. Where in my message, do you see any mention of H264 files? One mt2 file, into the Movie Wizard, I picked the menus, that is all I added. Movie Wizard, created any folders into the Blu-Ray files. Therefore it should work. My input file, does not effect the output files. Movie Wizard, does the conversions & rendering. Thanks for trying to help. With DVD's, I never had a problem, after a iso file or DVD folders were made.

Post by **Ken Berry** » Thu Jun 12, 2008 4:29 am

Where in my message, do you see any mention of H264 files?

Just a note of clarification: I think the point is that AVCHD video by its very nature uses a H.264 codec...

richmg821 · Post by **richmg821** » Thu Jun 12, 2008 5:10 am

Ken,
I know what a AVCHD file is, and a avchd, is not a MTS file, which I used.
I don't even know why AVCHD came up, since they were converted to a mts file?
What I want to know is, Why does Movie Wizard let me make a folder; and then not let me burn it. And yes, Cyberlink (trial version) made the complete 2.5 hour Blu-Ray DVD fully functional perfect disc, from the folder Movie Wizard created, complete with menus. What's the point of selling a half functioning program? Remember, the error says' "yet". As in, "it's coming, or suppose to be here". But when?

sjj1805 · Post by **sjj1805** » Thu Jun 12, 2008 5:25 am

richmg821 wrote:I used Movie Wizard to make a Blu-Ray DVD, from a mt2 file. You take the mt2 file, and drag it into the box. It then takes the file and renders it to Blu-Ray folders, and then burns the disc. Burning failed... But, the BR folder was created.....

I don't have HD but was reading this thread out of curiosity. It seems that the only reason you have a Blue-Ray folder is because VideoStudio was in the process of creating a temporary file to burn to disc and something threw a wobbly so the burning process never got carried out. I would suspect that had it achieved its goal and burned the Blue Ray disc then that temporary folder you are now looking at would have been automatically deleted.

By the way we are all users of the software like yourself, no one here works for Corel.

richmg821 · Post by **richmg821** » Fri Jun 13, 2008 12:29 am

Steve,
I been coming here a long time; I know you guys say you don't work for Ulead, but they should pay you for all the time spent here, maybe with free software.
Okay I'll make it simple, because I don't believe this. I'll go slow.
Burning a Blu-Ray with Movie Wizard, is no different with a DVD, of which you've burnt many. On the final page, you have four options to check.. 1- Burn to the disk; 2- Make (DVD or) Blu-Ray Folders.. (not temp folders); 3- Create Disk Image. (which are ISO files). 4- Normalize Audio.. Right..??? With Blu-Ray burning, The Make a Disk Image option, is greyed-out. I perfer ISO files to DVD/BR folders. So you only really have one choice to save your rendered video. I had a few long rendered projects, that didn't burn, due to disc or a burner problem; But, the iso/DVD folders were intact. And I later burned, the project without a problem, from the iso file, or DVD folder. If I did not save the project to the folders, and had a disc problem. I would have had to start the rendering process from the start. Did that one time, for a 2 hour video; on a old processor it took 8 hours. From then on, I make sure one of those boxes are checked. My expierence is that with DVD-R's you may not get a disc error; but with DVD+RW's if it is quick erased, you may get a disk error sometimes, and if that happens, the ISO file, or DVD folders are made, before the attempt to write the disk. The Blu-Ray folder is not a temp folder, you can make the files, without having a BR burner. Just when asked, click 25GB BLU-RAY. No disc burn. When that Blu-Ray folder, was opened with the trial Cyberlink Producer; it burned my BLU-Ray disc, everything functioned properly, all the way to the; "THE END". No glitches, skips, etc. I used to be able to burn the DVD, ISO files, that were made with VS10 and lower. I also see, that if you now make a image file with VS11, you have no way to burn it to a disc, with this program, as VS10 and versions lower does. So I have come to the conclusion, after testing and testing. That VS11 will let you make DVD ISO files, but not let you burn them with VS11; and will let you create Blu-Ray working folders, but not let you burn them to the disc, with VS11.
Try it, you don't need a Blu-Ray burner, to make a Blu-ray folder. Just try a real short clip. What is the point of S11 making Blu-Ray, or ISO files; and not being able to burn them?? That's my question, I know what I'm doing.

etech6355 · Post by **etech6355** » Fri Jun 13, 2008 3:34 am

I can use the Ulead_Burn_Now 4.5 program that comes with MF6_Plus to burn Blu-Ray Folders to an ISO file or directly to a BD-R or BD-RE Disk,
or burn an ISO file (CD/DVD/HD_DVD/AVCHD/Blu-Ray).
The "Ulead BurnNow 4.5" program is only supplied with MovieFactory 6 Plus Version.

DVD MovieFactory Comparision:
http://ulead.com/dmf/compare.htm
Look under the Burn/Copy Disk section.

The above list hasn't been updated, there is a function called "Copy Movie" where you can select the Blu-Ray Disk Folder Structure & either burn it to a BD-R or BD-RE disk or create an ISO image file of the folders.

VS11+ does comes with an image burning program, you have to install it from the Bonus Disk. Only burns CD/DVD images (I think).

etech

sjj1805 · Post by **sjj1805** » Fri Jun 13, 2008 3:38 am

John,
Welcome back. I am at work at the moment so unable to check my own machine but I recall there is a BD Disc Recorder program.
Did that ship with MovieFactory and would that do the task this poster is seeking?

etech6355 · Post by **etech6355** » Fri Jun 13, 2008 3:40 am

Steve,
If I remember correctly that program creates BDAV Blu-Ray discs.
A Blu-Ray disk that uses playlists and not menus (not a BDMV Disk).

The program should be under MF6+ and called "Ulead Burn_Now 4.5", "Start->Programs->Movie Factory 6 -> Ulead Burn-Now 4.5"

When you run it look at "Copy Movie" & also creating ISO files from the "Copy Disk" Function.

richmg821 · Post by **richmg821** » Fri Jun 13, 2008 11:11 pm

Thanks guys. I'm not buying any other program, that will make it work; (The folders made by VS11, Blu-Ray folders). I'm a independent producer of videos, and replicate my final DVD's. I can't be mad at Ulead now, because after doing some researching; I found out that even If I made, Blu-Ray disc on my burner. Less than 5% of the Blu-Ray players out there, will playback BD-R or BD-E disc. It's almost like, when DVD burners first came out. Most first generation DVD players, could not play the DVD-R, or +R disc. So I guess my new Blu-Ray, blue laser will collect dust until, or if ever, the manufacturers start making, and the people start buying players, that are compatable with BD-R disc. Right now very few are. I'm glad I didn't purchase a Blu-Ray player. I had no idea they all were not compatable. I did buy a NME, VMD HD red-laser player. And I was able to copy, to single layer DVD-R disc; and got the exact HD video to play, but with no menus though. So maybe by VS13, I'll get back to doing Blu-Ray Disc; when or if, the majority of the stand alone players can playback BD-R's, etc. But it's great to see, next-gen Blu-Ray burners, under $270. Hope the stand alone players, come down next,and be able to play ALL Blu-Ray disc. And Etech, thanks I'm going to load my bonus disc, so I can burn my ISO files from VS11. I was using another program to do it. When I used VS10+, and made dual layered DVD+DL, and saved it to a ISO file. The other programs, would not burn the DL disc properly; and I gave up making them. Thanks, now I can go back doing them, now I know where to get the Ulead ISO burn program.

Post by **Ken Berry** » Fri Jun 13, 2008 11:35 pm

Unfortunately, you are privileged in the US to have such low prices -- $270 for a Blu-Ray burner...? Looxury!!!

The ones available here are literally twice that price (and our dollar is approaching parity with yours!)

Have you considered a Sony PlayStation 3 as your Blu-Ray rated player? I only recently bought one, and it seems quite flexible in what it will play. So far, it happily automatically detects and plays hybrid AVCHD discs, and also HDV/mpeg-2 edited files which I have copied to (1) USB stick drives (2) an external 500 GB hard drive connected to the PS3 via USB 2.0; and (3) a standard DVD burned and used as a data disk. In each case, the quality (at least to me eyes) is superb, and with the hybrid discs, you get the optional extra of being able to build high def menus with VS11.5+.

The limitations are related to the medium that HD files are copied to. In the case of hybrid discs, using high quality settings (I use CBR 16800 kbps), I can fit nearly 40 minutes on a standard single layer DVD. I have in fact burned nearly 1 hour of AVCHD video to a DVD using VS's default AVCHD settings of VBR max 15,000 kbps. But with that, the lower quality was very perceptible, even though it was still much better than SD DVD.

With the USB stick and external hard drive options the limitation is that the PS3 can only "see" a disc formatted with FAT32 and not NTFS. The FAT32 limitation of a maximum file size of 4 GB thus comes into play. So far, though, with one exception, all of my projects, whether in HDV or AVCHD, have been under that size anyway which in the case of HDV is equivalent to around 22 minutes of video. A data DVD will of course take up to 4.3 GB on a single layer disc (but no menu). I haven't tried burning a dual layer DVD in this way.

In addition to all this, of course, I can also send the edited HDV back to my Canon HV20 mini DV cassette (ironically using VS10+ with the Canon patch as VS11.5+ refuses to work in this regard). The camera has a HDMI jack, and I can thus connect it directly to my HDTV for excellent playback. But of course, doing that regularly means extra wear on the camera's heads. So I am now using the PS3 alternative very happily.

But my own bottom line is that I am extremely happy to have these various options. At least it means I can afford to wait a long time before the price of both Blu-Ray burners and discs to fall considerably in price.

richmg821 · Post by **richmg821** » Sat Jun 14, 2008 2:47 am

Thanks Ken,
You have me almost convienced; I'm almost ready to run out and buy a PS3, after reading it's specs on Sony. Maybe tomorrow.. But it's $399 everywhere in the states. Yes a Blu-Ray (4x) burner for $259 from Meritline.com. They do ship international, but payment method, and customs sound a little iffy for me. The price was amazing, is why I bought it. It even includes, Lightscribe; Which I never used. And I've never seen any Blu-Ray, Lightscribe disc. I have seen printable Blu-Ray Disc, for 1,000 min., in bulk, for about $1.70 each. So I could image what a blu-ray lightscribe disc would cost. Plus, 4X BD disk aren't availiable yet? And I just know, they will be cheaper. If I do buy the PS3, (thanks to you); I have to use VS11+ to author. But, I'll have to find a way to burn those Blu-Ray files it makes, without using another product. Maybe since the program to burn DVD ISO files, is on extras disk; maybe the Blu-ray folder burning software, is on there too. Going to try it now. Then maybe PS3 tomorrow. Will let you know, about all 3.

Post by **Ken Berry** » Sat Jun 14, 2008 3:23 am

$399 for the PS3?? I have to say "looxury" again. Here, I paid $678 (US$650) 3 weeks ago, and that was the cheapest price I could find after getting in touch with about 7 other stores!! As for the Blu-Ray discs, the cheapest I have seen them for here is $25 EACH, and the more usual price is $40. Given that I can buy my preferred brand of standard DVDs for $0.26 cents each, you can see why I currently prefer the hybrid disc alternative. Buying a Blu-Ray burner would be only half the expense. Getting the discs, on current prices here, would soon outstrip the cost the burner itself if I had to buy a few of them!!!

PS: In case you were wondering, my spelling of 'luxury" by the way, relates to an old joke which our Australian and British friends might understand though I am not sure it made its way to the States. It was a tale of one-upsmanship, with a couple of guys competing to see who could claim to have had the hardest upbringing when they were kids. One would say that when he was a kid they lived in a shoe box or something equally outrageous. And the other would say in a cockney accent: "Shoe-box...? Looxury!! Wha when ah was a wee'un, we lived in a ..." and try to outdo the other guy.

richmg821 · Post by **richmg821** » Mon Jun 16, 2008 10:14 pm

Ken,
I can never understand, why we are further than you; and pay less. Does it have to do with tariffs? I did not purchase the PS3 yet; but I did see some surprising enlightning things, to maybe get one in the real near future. I went to Newegg.com and they now have a single blank Blu-Ray disc, BD-R for $9.99. At that price under $10; I can make sellable Blu-Ray Disc. Before, I would have to charge $30, to make a small profit. A 25 pack of Inkjet white printables, BD-R's (Ritdata) are 25 for $200. That's $8 each, and is less than the $10 single. But are Ridata (both 2x) blu-rays, dependable? They also sell a Alera "Lightscribe" BD-R disc; and my burner does lightscribe... But 10 Lightscribe BD-R (4x) disc go for $280; that's $28 a disc.. too expensive!!!