make it compatible with VISTA

[Devil]

Has anyone considered the possibility that MSP was doomed anyway, and that Vista was just a catalyst?

Not even. The writing was on the wall before Vista was even announced. Ask Charlie Hills. He warned us that his MSP8 book would probably be the last (for this reason) at the start of the beta trials, which took place months before the beta trials of Vista. As soon as the Vista beta was available, I tried the two together and found them incompatible then.

[Gorf]

Vista was just a catalyst?"

Pun INTEnded?

Um - no. I can't see the pun in there - you'll have to elaborate for me (I can't even blame it on the hour - it's nearly 10am here).

Not even. The writing was on the wall before Vista was even announced....

So threads like this one are, ultimately, pointless. If MSP was doomed even without Vista, then the Vista compatibility thing is a red herring. We might as well gripe about Linux compatibility - it's just as valid (or rather, "invalid") a discussion.

[DAAdood]

Excuse my ignorant. But you have not answer my question. Why is it better to dual boot to vista when the program works better with XP I dont get it.

exactly my point Vista is a failure!!

[sjj1805]

Here is even more evidence of Vista being a failure. Up until now I only noticed problems with software written by third party software companies -
e.g. Corel.

I decided earlier this week to install web servers onto two of my other computers (I have 5) so my home network (intranet) would have 3 web servers rather than the one I had set up a few years ago.

No problem at all with the two web servers set up on XP, I could open the web servers from any of the 5 computers with MICROSOFT Frontpage to edit each server. However I could not open the Web Server set up on the Vista Machine.

By this I mean I could not open the Vista Server with Frontpage as a Web - ie. using the address http://neptune
(I named my computers after various planets)

I could open the neptune server using its network address - ie
\\neptune\c\Inetpub\wwwroot

After a lot of hair pulling checking this that and the other setting and extensive research of the internet I eventually discovered that
MICROSOFT Frontpage is not considered supported product on Vista.

By the way, doing things the other way - sitting on the Vista machine (Neptune) I could open the two XP Servers
http://earth
http://jupiter

So if MICROSOFT are not making their OWN software compatible with Vista, what chance have third party companies got?

[Devil]

Worse than that. the last version of Frontpage, IIRC, was 2003. It was replaced in the 2007 series by something else (forgotten the name), which has ALREADY been replaced by Web Expression (very good, btw). This is already in V 2, into the bargain. Why? because of OS incompatibilites. However, I was given Office 2007 when I had Vista and XP on a dual boot system (Vista long since gone, of course!!!). Word 2007 worked perfectly under XP. Under Vista, most of the functions worked also, except for such features as spell check, thesaurus, translations, track changes etc. IOW, it did NOT work correctly under Vista (I think there has been a patch since). So Vista was not even compatible with MS's flagship software. Do you wonder I scrapped it?

[Luna Esterhuizen]

I've read all your quotes and cannot resist the temptation to comment on some of them. I think we all know that you always get difficulties when you use old application with new OSs, so if you buy software be aware of new operating systems you would at least know of such developments at least 2 years beforehand. (Just read PC magazines!)

I think Vista is good and all of the bad things said, it is just like in the past with every new OS. I remember the same happened in the early 2000s when XP was launched. Everyone just wanted to axe it!

What I can say, I've tried the trial of MSP and it was excellent. I've done all the mixing of 3 cameras for a primary school concert, created the mpegs and imported them into UVS10. -No problem. So I was very sad to hear that MSP were dropped. I cannot understand why one company takes over other companies software and is not willing to develop it further.

There was a quite large price rise between VS10 and 11.5 as said, with slight changes. I am really willing to pay even more for VS if the developers just incorporate all the MSP features. At this stage I won't pay for UV11.5!

[DLA]

I might be wrong here but I think the introduction of Vista might be in a few years, seen as a breakpoint in Microsoft history. The introduction of XP and its associated annoyance was not as bad as with Vista I think. XP was evolution Widnows 2000 which in turn was based on NT4.0. Something stable that evolved not too drastically on which a lot of software companies developed good products over all that time. (Look at the version number displayed from a command prompt, it says Windows 5.1, not much different than Windows 5.0 displayed by Windows 2000)

With Vista, the whole mentality of how the software should behave on the machine is different making a lot of software incompatible. Major rework would be needed in many cases. For companies with a lot of money, they can assign a big team on it to get it resolved (lik MS itself did with Office). Other companies might not have this luxury and need to drop some of their products.

Where I work, we are making systems for the telecom industry. With the long history of stability started with Windows NT and kept until now with Windows XP, some of our applications ran on Windows, most of it for access console that allow operators and/or technicians to view/operate the system mainly because Windows is a fairly easy OS to use.

Looking at what Microsoft did with the upcoming drop of XP and all the problems associated with Vista, it makes us realize that maybe it was a mistake to use Windows as we need to devote some of our teams just to make the software Vista compatible. This prevent us from delivering new functionality, real functionality.

So in design reviews, what do you think the discussion could be? Do we spend all this time trying to make our product compatible with Vista or do we simply take a slightly bigger hit and make it under Linux and never depend anymore on Microsoft. I voted for option 2.

We don't have this worry for systems already running Linux or other non-Microsoft OSes like VxWorks. The net result is we will stop using Microsoft at all.

When you have problems with your OS at home, you spend your personal time fixing it. When we have problems with an OS at work, the spending is counted in hundreds of $ per hours. The level of tolerance is not exactly the same.

And look at how well Apple is doing these days...

[sjj1805]

.........
I think Vista is good and all of the bad things said, it is just like in the past with every new OS. I remember the same happened in the early 2000s when XP was launched. Everyone just wanted to axe it!.....

Windows Millenium Edition - enough said?