VS11+ as a capture vehicle

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VS11+ as a capture vehicle

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Thanks to all of the help from Ken Berry and all of the others on this Forum, I have been able to convert over 40 years worth of our home movies to edited DVD's with chapters, transitions, motion menus, etc. Some years ago, these home movies had been converted from old Kodak Super 8 and 8mm film onto VHS tapes. I have used ADS Capture Wizard, connected to a Sony VCR, to capture them for my VS11+ editing, etc. before burning them to DVD's using a Sony DVD/CD Rewritable Drive, model DRX-810UL.

Our remaining home movies are already digital, which brings up four questions.
1. Is VS11+ a recommended capture tool, or should I be looking for an alternative?
2. If VS11+ is a recommended capture tool, is there a pointer to a recommended workflow? Tried a search but haven't found one. :?
3. Can I use my Sony DVD/CD Rewritable Drive as my capture device? I tried using it, with VS11+ in Capture mode, but got nothing.
4. Are there any recommended settings changes when capturing digital vs. VHS?

Thanks again for all of your help. There is no doubt that my success to date would never have happened without it, and that's an understatement. :o
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Our remaining home movies are already digital....
In what format?

Video Studio can "capture" from a MiniDV camera via Firewire (I put "capture in quotes, because unlike analog-capture, it's really just a transfer of digital-data.) With other formats you may have to use the software that came with the camera. (It's usually a simple matter to get a digital video file transferred to your hard drive.)
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I am afraid to say that from the nature of some of your questions at least, you appear to have some fundamental misunderstandings about some of the basics... :cry: 'Capture', whether from analogue or digital sources, always involves some hardware interface, combined with software, to transfer the video from a source to a target. In many cases, including all analogue transfers, the video is also converted to a digital format that the editing software can recognise.

For analogue video, you can use a dedicated device such as your Adstech device, which will normally capture and convert the analogue signal to digital mpeg-2 (and some other formats) sending it to your computer via the USB set-up. Or you might have an expensive device such as a Plextor or Canopus which uses a Firewire interface at both ends to send a (preferable) DV signal to the computer. Or you can use a digital mini DV camera as a passthrough device, again using Firewire to capture in DV format. Or you can use a Digital 8 camera (which has the facility -- not all do) to be used as a passthrough device or which can even play back analogue 8mm or Hi8 tapes directly and convert them to DV via Firewire.

For digital source video, capture also means 'transfer' and in some cases 'conversion' as well. With DV video, it means transfer only, as you are merely transferring video in real time from a camera DV tape to the computer and the transfer is done using exactly the same digital properties. Nothing is changed. In some cases, though, people like to 'capture' from a mini DV camera directly to DVD-compatible mpeg-2, so that involves conversion as well. In this case, the 'capture' device is a combination of the camera itself and the Firewire interface, plus of course the software.

With hard disk cameras, capture involves transfer via the USB transfer interface, sometimes in DVD compatible format, but sometimes in an mpeg-2 format (such as the JVC .mod/.tod format) which also requires some conversion to readable form for the editing program. In the latter case, though, it is the software that does that conversion. This applies, AFAIK, to both standard and high definition hard disk cameras.

For mini DVD cameras, the USB interface can also be used, with the camera in effect being seen as a DVD drive. But it is easier to 'capture' or 'import' or 'transfer' the contents of the mini DVD by simply putting it into your computer's DVD optical drive (which thus becomes the 'capture/import' interface) and using a software package which can see those contents (sometimes the disc has to be 'finished') and convert them from .vob format to usable mpeg-2.

Standard H.264/mpeg-4 or high definition AVCHD cameras, which use a mini SD card as their storage medium, are not dissimilar to the mini DVD idea. You can either connect the camera via the USB interface and transfer the cards contents in its original format. Or you can use a card reader, either external or internal to your computer, and read the contents of the SD card that way, and transfer them as you for any file from one drive to another.

Some high definition cameras use mini DV tapes, but film in HDV format which is high definition mpeg-2. Capture is via the Firewire interface. It can be either 'transfer' only using exactly the same properties as in the camera (i.e. 'capture' to HDV format). Or you can use a down-convert utility in the camera (if it has one) to transfer and convert on the fly from HDV to standard definition DV format; or use software later to down-convert transferred HDV.

That just about covers it, I think, albeit in brief and simplistic form. But essentially, capture can mean transfer alone or transfer plus conversion. And a 'capture device' is one which facilitates this transfer and, sometimes, conversion.

As to your questions:
1. Is VS11+ a recommended capture tool, or should I be looking for an alternative?
In general, yes. But as DVD Doug has already suggested, it depends on what you are capturing from and in what format -- plus what equipment is involved. Firewire? USB? Some other device? In general, VS does a good job for most types of captures. But there are a variety of specialised capture programs out there which might, because they are specialised, do a (slightly) better job. For instance, for my standard definition DV captures, I tend to use the freeware program WinDV. And for my high definition HDV I use another freeware program called HDVSplit which, as its name suggests, will capture and split by scene -- something VS cannot do with HDV.
2. If VS11+ is a recommended capture tool, is there a pointer to a recommended workflow?
For our suggested workflow, see http://phpbb.ulead.com.tw/EN/viewtopic. ... 512#101512
3. Can I use my Sony DVD/CD Rewritable Drive as my capture device?
An external drive is just that -- a drive, in this case used for reading/burning discs. At most it can be the target drive for storing captured files. At a stretch, it could be called a capture device if you are 'capturing' from a mini DVD camera as described above.
4. Are there any recommended settings changes when capturing digital vs. VHS?
Again, there can be just as many differences in capture properties for digital video as there are for analogue. But equally, that all depends on exactly what format of digital you are talking about. Some may be Upper Field First, some may be lower, some may even be 'progressive' which is akin to Frame Based. Then, depending on what you are going to do with it, or how worried you are about quality, you will obviously select (for anything except DV or high def formats) a bitrate which will ensure a higher quality or conversely more video per DVD.

With analogue source material, some people say it is a waste of space to use a bitrate higher than 4000 or 4500 kbps. However, I use my Digital 8 for such captures, and the quality is excellent, so I use a higher bitrate -- usually around 7000 kbps -- to preserve that quality. Ditto when I use my mini DV camera as passthrough from, say, my VCR.

By the way, Adstech Capture Wizard (CapWiz) is a software capture program, not the capture device itself. That would be the hardware which the software came with e.g. the Adstech DVD Xpress 2 capture device... :roll: :wink:
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You are too kind when you suggest that I may, "have some fundamental misunderstandings about some of the basics." I learned that a year or so ago when I first got started and found out that I was at the mercy of the Forum. The Forum also encouraged me to persevere.
Therefore, I read more of the manual for our movie camera, which is an Hitachi model DZ-MV730A. The manual states, under "Recording format - DVD-R disc" for movies, that it is "Conforming to DVD video format (Dolby Digital)."
1. Is that the recording format info that you requested?
2. In addition, I have been using USB vs. Fireware, but I'll switch to Fireware if that's what you recommend.
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Sorry Virg -- after posting my original answer, I went out to walk the dogs, and thought some more about your questions. I came back and wrote a much longer and detailed version of my original post, which you will now see above.

Thank you also for the information about your camera and its recording format. That is now covered, albeit in general terms, in my expanded answer above, in a couple of places. In other words, yes, your external disc burner in a sense can be considered a 'capture device' in that you put your mini DVD into it, and read it from there into your computer via USB.

As for Firewire, that remains IMHO the most problem free method of transfer because usually it involves no conversion and the format itself is essentially lossless and easy to edit. However, Firewire is only usable if you have the hardware which connects to it. In the case of your camera, it won't have a Firewire jack, only the mini USB one. And I presume your external DVD drive is USB only (although I have two external DVD drives which connect via either USB or Firewire). But the bottom line is that with a mini DVD camera, you use either a USB interface or else put the mini DVD into either an internal optical drive or an external optical drive connected via USB. If the external drive is connected via DV, the transfer of video would still be in mpeg-2 format. I don't think you could even select DV as the capture format in such circumstances.
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As always, your coaching is outstanding. Read your explanations multiple times and then, using VS11+ in Capture mode, I was successful in "importing" a 4.7GB DVD containing home movies, from the D drive in my PC tower. After "importing," I was then able to complete my entire authoring process. We have several years worth of these 4.7GB DVD's that were consolidated from 1.4GB movie camera DVD's some years ago.

I am now testing and trying to apply this same process, to import some of our more recent 1.4GB movie camera DVD's. I'm still having a little difficulty importing the smaller DVD's because VS11+ apparently wants me to select each "chapter" individually for initialization prior to importing.

I'll stay at it, and formulate my questions as soon as I understand a little more about what I'm doing incorrectly.

In the interim, you have no idea of how grateful I am for your time and patience. Thank you ever so much.
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