M2TS AVCHD Editing Question

choref81 · Post by **choref81** » Mon Apr 14, 2008 2:52 pm

Hi - sorry in advance if this has been answered here, I tried looking for an answer here but couldn't find it

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I'm using VS11.5+ and inserted M2TS AVCHD files. My first question will be: why can't I import a whole folder? Do I have to insert the videos 1 by 1?

Second (and most important one): When I preview the clip (10 mins long clip), I only see 2 seconds, as if the clip is only 2 seconds long. When I drop it to the timeline, it only drops the first 2 seconds in there.

M2TS files source is Canon HG10, I'm using a 3GHZ dual core machine with 4GB of memory - windows vista sp1.

Thanks!

choref81 · Post by **choref81** » Mon Apr 14, 2008 8:03 pm

Reading a bit more about this, it might be because I'm trying to insert the m2ts file directly (it's already in my hard drive). I didn't use VS to import it and from what I've been reading, VS doesn't support native AVCHD.

I guess I will need to import the files using the "dvd folder" option, select the camera's hard-drive (AVCHD folder) and import...this should convert all files to mpeg-2, right?

choref81 · Post by **choref81** » Tue Apr 15, 2008 2:29 pm

OK, I have imported the clips as described above...directly from the camera choosing the camera drive as my "DVD folder".

It imported everything ok in "mts" format. When I preview the clips I still only see a few seconds. Same happened when I've put the clip in the timeline. I've enabled proxy and now when I put the clip in the timeline, I see all of it (very jumpy, not smooth at all). When I preview the clip, I still only see a few seconds of it...please help! Do I have to convert the files to something else?

Post by **Ken Berry** » Tue Apr 15, 2008 10:59 pm

Hi choref81 (any relation to a choréfée in ballet?) Welcome to the Forums...

Sorry it has taken so long for you to get an answer. I had been rather hoping our regular AVCHD/high def guru, etech, would have jumped in by now. But I have to say that he does not appear to have been around for a few days now...

Unfortunately, my own high def camera (Canon HV20) does not use AVCHD. However, it is my understanding that there is no real "capture" from them, only the import you have noted. You can do this without VS, however. Only the normal Windows transfer/copy function is needed to transfer them to your hard disk in the computer. And it was my understanding that while you might not be able to import a folder as such, you open the folder, highlight all the video files and simply transfer them to your hard disk.

Sorry if I am sounding as though I am trying to teach grandma to s*ck eggs. I am not -- I am just trying to get my own thoughts in order... It is again my understanding that there were a couple of difficulties with AVCHD when it first emerged as a high def format. The first, and major, one is that it requires a pretty powerful computer to handle it -- not to import the files, but to actually edit them and, more to the point, even be able to play them smoothly. At the very least a Core 2 Duo or Quad is required for that. (I well recall that my old P4 2.0 GHz with HT could not play them smoothly at all...)

Then there was the fact that the original VS11/11+ seemed to have the sort of problem you are describing now. This was corrected in the 6 November update patch and 8 November Power Pack which upgraded VS11+ to 11.5+. Since then, just about all AVCHD users apart from you, have reported no problem such as you have described.

So something is obviously different in your set-up. The most obvious thing I would like to rule out is basic. I know you say you have VS11.5+. However, in recent weeks it has become apparent that a number of users have not understood the misleading advertising of 'VS11.5+' for sale on the Ulead/Corel websites. When they have bought this version, they believed they were getting VS11.5+ as it was and didn't read the fine print. In fact, they were only buying VS11+, and they still had to go to the Ulead download site and download and install first the 6 November 2007 update patch and then the 8 November 2007 Power Pack (not/not the 'Hot Fix' which is only required if a user has experienced only the specific installation problems described for that fix...)

When that is done, your version number (? > About Video Studio >) should be 11.5.0157.2 So can you confirm absolutely that this is the version you have, please?

jamesbond_007_28 · Post by **jamesbond_007_28** » Fri Apr 18, 2008 10:11 am

Jerry Jones wrote:I've come to the sad conclusion that -- for AVCHD -- both Corel Ulead VideoStudio 11 Plus and Avid Pinnacle Studio Ultimate 11 are not the best choices.

My Apple computer works great for AVCHD.

I'm trying to find something that will work on my Windows computer, too.

I have Sony Vegas Movie Studio 8 Platinum on order; it actually includes the Cineform intermediate codec for editing HDV and AVCHD.

We'll see.

Jerry Jones

I also have Studio Plus 11 and an HG10 AVCHD. You seem to need a super computer for this application to run. I can capture the content (takes about 2 hours) but then burning to disc is pretty eratic as it crashes.

Perhaps Sony's Wegas is the answer? Keep us updated!

Quijote · Post by **Quijote** » Fri Apr 18, 2008 9:03 pm

I'm surprised that everyone is having so much trouble with this. The Canon HG10 comes with a little utility program on a disk, Corel Guide Menu. This program offers 3 simple choices 1) Save files to PC - 2) Write back to camcorder and - 3) Authoring. I've never tried the Authoring option having VSP, but Save files to PC is pretty easy.

But, I've been shortcutting that and using VSP directly to access the files from the camera hard drive and putting them directly into the library. I can then lay them directly onto the timeline and edit away. HOWEVER, my computer is by no means fast enough to edit without first creating proxy files - the process to create proxy files can be time consuming. There is an icon just above the time line that has a menu providing Smart Proxy Manager. SPM will tell you how much of your timeline has been converted to proxy files. For a substantial video, it would not be unreasonable for this to take an hour or so. So load the files and go to dinner. Then come back and edit happily.

Once the proxy files are rendered, the editing is no different than any other video editor and smooth as silk. I love it! I put a little flamenco presentation together for a Spanish audience and squeezed it down for YouTube. It's kinda absurd to go from HD to YouTube, but I also have a nice DVD. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LMmpPpjCmls

www.sailingflamenco.com

Post by **Ken Berry** » Fri Apr 18, 2008 11:22 pm

jamesbond_007_28 said

I also have Studio Plus 11 and an HG10 AVCHD. You seem to need a super computer for this application to run.

Actually, it does *not* require a super computer to run VS11+. An average computer will do that...

(I notice you haven't filled in your System button. That would be useful if you intend revisting this forum on further occasions...)

What requires the 'super computer' is the AVCHD format itself. Well, not exactly a super computer but at least a Core 2 Duo or preferably Quad. The fact of the matter is that AVCHD is incredibly resource intensive. I used to use my now superseded P4 3.0 GHz with HT 2 GB RAM NVidia 7600GT with 512 MB of its own RAM for video editing generally, and tried it on AVCHD. It could edit the format -- albeit very slowly, even with SmartProxy enabled. However, what it could NOT do was play the resulting edited video back properly. Initially, I thought the editing had not worked. But then I transferred the output file to my HP Core 2 Duo 2.4 GHz machine, it played fine. As it does on my new Core 2 Quad 6600.

In addition, you mentioned only VS11+. In fact, what is required is VS11+ to be upgraded first with the 6 November 2007 update patch available on the Ulead.com website, and then adding the (free to registered users) 8 November 'Power Pack'. This adds full functionality re AVCHD editing, and converts VS 11+ to version 11.5+ (version 11.5.0157.2 Plus).

Jerry Jones · Post by **Jerry Jones** » Sat Apr 19, 2008 4:37 pm

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Quijote · Post by **Quijote** » Sun Apr 20, 2008 3:48 pm

I seem to remember somewhere reading that VSP has issues with the AMD Athelon processor. Perhaps someone else can confirm this. If so, that might account for why Jerry Jones is having problems that we aren't seeing on the Intel processors.