Uploading to YouTube

philthyphil · Post by **philthyphil** » Tue Apr 01, 2008 12:53 pm

I just got Ulead 11.5 Plus and I tried the new 'upload to YouTube' function.

Once the video was uploaded and processed on the site I watched it and the quality was so bad that you couldn't see what was going on!

I uploaded using the 'best quality'

Is there something wrong or something I have to change?

Thanks

Post by **Ron P.** » Tue Apr 01, 2008 1:08 pm

Welcome to the forums,

Nothing wrong, that is very common for the quality to be bad on YouTube. The file is recoded to FLV by YouTube's server, which has to be about the worst one around.

What type of source file did you start with? You need to start with a very high quality video file. I've ran numerous tests using DV video files, and tried creating WMV files with about any of the template settings found. The result on YouTube was bad. I also tried using a FLV file and still no better.

My opinion is that the decent looking videos you see on YouTube have to be using HD video to start with, or the video is filmed with a very high-end camera. Using a consumer level DV or miniDV camera just doesn't work very well..

sjj1805 · Post by **sjj1805** » Wed Apr 02, 2008 1:39 am

There are a few tips about online sharing in our members samples forum.

philthyphil · Post by **philthyphil** » Wed Apr 02, 2008 2:25 am

Hi,

Thanks for that.

I started with an AVI file type. Captured off an ordinary video camera.

Would you call that a high video quality file?

Cheers for the advice

Clevo · Post by **Clevo** » Wed Apr 02, 2008 2:46 pm

Philthyphil

Can I ask you to have a look at one of my youtube videos and tell me in comparison to your if my video is what you consider bad quality.

For you tube I consider this "acceptable". I have seen better and i have seen much much worse than mine.

I used the VS youtube function for this.

edit:

Link
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SaMpbPinv4M

Post by **Ron P.** » Wed Apr 02, 2008 2:52 pm

Have look at this thread, it has the links to several tests I've uploaded to YouTube..http://phpbb.ulead.com.tw/EN/viewtopic. ... 181#141181

Here's an entire Thread on this subject:

http://phpbb.ulead.com.tw/EN/viewtopic. ... 092#107092

Quijote · Post by **Quijote** » Wed Apr 02, 2008 5:31 pm

Hi folks,
I found that, by making my own flv file, YouTube would have it posted the next morning after I uploaded it. And the quality was as good as the flv file on my hard disk because they obviously did nothing with it.

You can make flv (flash video) with freeware encoders like the one included in Super or Riva FLV Encoder (Google either for download sites).

My YouTube videos originated on 8mm cameras, inported into an AVI, edited and then output to mpeg. The mpeg was then converted to
FLV and uploaded. Here is an example taken from a flamenco performance we did, shot in a theater with less than bright lighting - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kuJNBtc4rH8&feature=user
It doesn't look any different than it did on my hard disk.
regards,

Black Lab · Post by **Black Lab** » Wed Apr 02, 2008 5:56 pm

What were your settings for the flv file?

Quijote · Post by **Quijote** » Thu Apr 03, 2008 3:58 am

I'm ashamed to admit that I don't remember what settings I used on the FLV, but I'm sure that I pretty much took the defaults. I was just trying it out and when it was done it looked so good that I uploaded it at once. Wish I had paid more attention - that's the story of me and technology - I do something and then I don't do it again for months, so I have to learn all over.
However, I did a little forensic work by examining the various files I made. It appears that I reduced the original DVD Mpeg-2 to an MP4 320 x 200 (or whatever it is). I selected the highest quality sound when making the MP4. That file looked good, but I didn't want YouTube to mess with the file, so I converted to FLV using the default settings I believe. The FLV looked the same as the MP4 to my eyes.

www.sailingflamenco.com

Quijote · Post by **Quijote** » Mon Apr 07, 2008 4:15 pm

OK, I just made some more video for YouTube and this time paid attention to the process. I used the Riva FLV encoder (free) which you can download - find it with Google.
This video began life as 16x9 AVCHD from a Canon HG10. I edited it as that and then wrote a DVD mpeg file to burn to a DVD. I found that I could take that mpeg file and put it into the Riva FLV Encoder and get a 320-240 flv file that looked great. However, because the DVD mpeg was 16x9, the FLV file looked squished horizontally as it converted to 4x3. So if YouTube is the goal, it is better to start out with a 4x3 project.
As a workaround, I took the project and wrote out an mpeg1 320x240 in 4x3 format. That file played with black bars above and below the video and then converted into an FLV file looking exactly the same.
I am well pleased with the Riva FLV Encoder for making really nice files for YouTube.
www.sailingflamenco.com

philthyphil · Post by **philthyphil** » Tue Apr 08, 2008 2:13 am

Hi Clevo....

Watched the video and that was better quality to what I am uploading to YouTube now.

So you just used the 'best quality' function?

When i use it they come out un viewable....

ta

sjj1805 · Post by **sjj1805** » Tue Apr 08, 2008 2:20 am

philthyphil wrote:Hi,

Thanks for that.

I started with an AVI file type. Captured off an ordinary video camera.

Would you call that a high video quality file?

Cheers for the advice

Possibly yes and possibly no.
"avi" is a term describing a wide variety of video formats. If your "avi" happens to be DV (Digital Video) then "Yes"
If it happens to be MPEG4 or DivX then "No"

If the quality isn't good to start with then no matter what settings you use you cannot make it better than what it already is.

Clevo · Post by **Clevo** » Tue Apr 08, 2008 2:46 pm

philthyphil wrote:Hi Clevo....

Watched the video and that was better quality to what I am uploading to YouTube now.

So you just used the 'best quality' function?

When i use it they come out un viewable....

ta

yes. I pretty much use best quaility and let VS do the rest.

But what i think VS does is first create abest quality WMV 640x??? at 30frames/sec file and upload that. It's a little tricker for us PAL users cause of our freame rates (so I'm told)

Post by **Ron P.** » Tue Apr 08, 2008 2:50 pm

Clevo,

Do you first render a DV file, then create the YouTube WMV, or just from the project?

I'm thinking VS does a better job from a VSP than from a rendered DV..

Clevo · Post by **Clevo** » Tue Apr 08, 2008 3:00 pm

yes straight from VSP I create video file then select the Zune WMV 640x480

Then in Share video Online I pick "select WMV file"

or I skip the above and just select straight to "Best"

I find the former method a little quicker and seemingly not different in quiality.

The camcorder I use is a humble Panasonic NV-GS180 (but i treat it very nicely cause I actually like this camera...would really like to try the higher level ones or a Canon hv20...ooops just having a day dream there)