vidoman wrote:The Rotate feature is no different than how you rotate anything else in PSP. Click on the thumbnail for more information...
You grab the center handle to rotate freely. Granted it does not display the angle.
That you can't specify an exact angle of rotation was precisely the original poster's point, though. I wouldn't agree that the rotation feature of the Crop tool is "useless", but the lack of precision is certainly a big weakness.
Lori
LoriDavis wrote:That you can't specify an exact angle of rotation was precisely the original poster's point, though. I wouldn't agree that the rotation feature of the Crop tool is "useless", but the lack of precision is certainly a big weakness.
Lori
I don't use X2, but use a script that performs a similar function in v.9 (i.e., using Edit Selection it allows both rotating and then cropping to the rotation). My experience is that when I rotate a crop box I rotate until I get the composition that I find pleasing. I don't think about needing a specific angle, because I would only be guessing what angle might produce the most pleasing result.
So I'm not sure I see how the lack of being able to set a specific rotation angle is a big weakness.
If you don't have X2, I don't think you know the frustration of using X2 Crop.
The Rotation angle is the least of my worries.
The inability to grab any point on the sides and drag is a major issue.
The fact that it is slow and unstable is a nightmare.
It needs to be seen to be believed
Tadjio PSP X7.2 Ultimate user
AfterShot Pro 2.1 ASPirant
Windows 8.1 64-bit Pro
Canon EOS 100D, Olympus E-PM1 & iPhone 6
If you don't have X2, I don't think you know the frustration of using X2 Crop.
The Rotation angle is the least of my worries.
The inability to grab any point on the sides and drag is a major issue.
The fact that it is slow and unstable is a nightmare.
It needs to be seen to be believed
Hi Tadjio, I thought I'd check out the web forum now that one exists
But yes, I am aware of the other problems with the crop tool in X2 (plenty has been said about it in the Corel groups). That's why I only commented on the rotation angle, which I would expect would be the least of everybody's concern with that tool in X2. It really does seem to have caused problems for others also.
The reasons I would like to know the Rotation Angle are:
!) To fine tune my rotation
2) To remember the rotation angle in case I want to cancel and re-do
3) To remember my rotation angle in case I want to re-produce it later
Tadjio PSP X7.2 Ultimate user
AfterShot Pro 2.1 ASPirant
Windows 8.1 64-bit Pro
Canon EOS 100D, Olympus E-PM1 & iPhone 6
Tadjio wrote:The reasons I would like to know the Rotation Angle are:
!) To fine tune my rotation
2) To remember the rotation angle in case I want to cancel and re-do
3) To remember my rotation angle in case I want to re-produce it later
I see. The script I use (in PSP9 and written by Simon Walden with input from others) uses the Deform tool, so if I did need to make note of the rotation angle it appears in the Tool Options palette. I have doubts it would work well in later versions, and on large images can be somewhat slow. It was written to emulate the rotate/crop tool in Photoshop, and does that very well if you don't mind the slowness with large images
But as I said, I've never used the angle info anyway so am just happy to have a two click method (it uses Gary Barton's Pause script to allow one to rotate the box) that works in v.9 to rotate the box and get the image cropped and rotated without the loss of detail that you normally get when you have to rotate an image in anything other than 90 degree steps.
sjj1805 wrote:Use the straighten tool - you can specify the angle.
There are two problems with that.
First, the Crop/Rotate is supposed to save steps by allowing one to adjust the crop box to taste, rotate it to taste, and then perform the crop. The Straighten tool doesn't do the crop part.
Second, when you use the Straighten tool you end up with an image that, in most cases, is rotated by less than 90 degree increments. This results in a softening of the image. I am assuming (and I don't have X2 so can't confirm) that the Crop/Rotate tool is supposed to work like it does in Photoshop so that you don't lose detail (i.e., get softness) after the rotation and crop is performed.
Tadjio wrote:Thanks, sjj1805, that's exactly what I do.
When I said earlier Rotate & Crop, I gues I meant Straighten & Crop
Can I ask who you are, apart from site admin.? I see you are based in Brum, which is only 30 miles north of me.
I and several others have only just discovered this web group, having learnt about it in the Corel Newsgroups via Tim Morrison.
Tadjio wrote:The 'Rotate' feature Corel have added is virtually useless
and doesn't show the angle of rotation nor allow you to set it specifically.
Corel have removed the precision from many tools in PSPP X2. In the case of the crop tool, they've removed the ability to set the left, right, top and bottom values for the crop rectangle, as well as not allowing accurate angle setting.
Apart from scripting, the only way to accurately set an angle is to hold down shift as you rotate. the angle then snaps to 15 degree increments. You can also do this after you've freely rotated the crop rectangle to an arbitrary angle, which means you can accurately get back to 0 degrees if need be.
