MF6 Plus + elementary streams

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craftech
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MF6 Plus + elementary streams

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Hi,
I have not been able to import elementary mpeg video and AC3 audio streams into Movie Factory 6 plus. I have the latest update.

The video imports fine (m2v and the like), but despite the fact that I have created an AC3 file with the exact same name, MF6 plus will not put them together when creating the DVD. With or without menus. Even if they are both placed in a separate folder all by themselves.
I have tried generating the video and audio elementary streams with both Sony Vegas and Procoder 3, but the end result is the same - no audio on the disc.

Does the video and audio have to be mixed in order to import into MF6 plus? I see no "import audio" button.
Seems contrary to many other authoring programs if that is the case.

The manual doesn't address this and neither do the FAQ's I have looked at. A Google search has also produced no answer.

Anyone know?

Thanks,

John

EDIT: I also check off the option not to re-render compliant files. I don't want MF6 + to re-render. I just want to use it to create menus or do a basic authoring procedure for me with the files I have created with either Vegas or Procoder 3.
craftech
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Post by craftech »

OK,

I think I have this figured out. You add the video elementary stream then you go into the "edit room", right click on the video clip, and choose Add Audio.

That gives you two choices. Add to Voice Track or Add to Music Track. In Ulead Speak I think that means Mono or Stereo. I chose one and added the AC3 track to it and the preview played with the audio so I assume now it will author the disc with audio this time without re-rendering it if I match the Project Properties with those of the encoded files I imported.

Is that correct?

Thanks,
John
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Post by etech6355 »

John,
I have an answer, just have to try something in MF6+ first.
I use a similar method, will post back soon.

Are you making a HD-DVD or blu-ray disk using mpeg2 or a standard dvd?

This is a nice program for muxing elementary streams. There are a few executables in this download.
Use the tsMuxerGUI.exe to mux your elementary streams into a .m2ts container. MF6+ will read this container as compliant, then pass it through the main concept encoder without rendering and again remux the video/audio into whatever target format you are making ( hd-dvd/blu-ray/dvd )
http://smlabs.net/tsmuxer_en.html

Note: If you use m2v then you may have to change the extension to mpv or list all files (*.*) when adding media to tsMuxerGUI.exe
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Post by craftech »

Are you making a HD-DVD or blu-ray disk using mpeg2 or a standard dvd?
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I am making a standard DVD. I usually use DVDA, but this program had some nice looking pre-designed menu templates.

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This is a nice program for muxing elementary streams. There are a few executables in this download.
Use the tsMuxerGUI.exe to mux your elementary streams into a .m2ts container. MF6+ will read this container as compliant, then pass it through the main concept encoder without rendering and again remux the video/audio into whatever target format you are making ( hd-dvd/blu-ray/dvd )
http://smlabs.net/tsmuxer_en.html

Note: If you use m2v then you may have to change the extension to mpv or list all files (*.*) when adding media to tsMuxerGUI.exe
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I'll have to give that a shot if it is necessary to mux first. In terms of .m2ts, I am using a VX2000 and shooting SD.

Thanks for the help. Much appreciated etech

John
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Post by etech6355 »

Yes, Standard Definition.

With MF I mutiplex the streams before inserting the video into the timeline, otherwise MF will re-encode it. Yes, the program should use smart-rendering if the project settings equal the source videos, but I'm not 100% sure it will do that.
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Post by craftech »

With MF I mutiplex the streams before inserting the video into the timeline, otherwise MF will re-encode it. Yes, the program should use smart-rendering if the project settings equal the source videos, but I'm not 100% sure it will do that.
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I'll try it and post back here with the results. If it re-encodes I will have to mux first. I don't want MF to take the place of Procoder 3 for encoding.
Thanks again for your help etech.

John
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Post by craftech »

craftech wrote:With MF I mutiplex the streams before inserting the video into the timeline, otherwise MF will re-encode it. Yes, the program should use smart-rendering if the project settings equal the source videos, but I'm not 100% sure it will do that.
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I'll try it and post back here with the results. If it re-encodes I will have to mux first. I don't want MF to take the place of Procoder 3 for encoding.
Thanks again for your help etech.

John
I wanted to follow up on this.

If one imports an m2p file from Procoder 3 into MF6 plus it won't open despite the fact that it will open and combine with an Ac3 file in programs like DVD Architect. When you try to add it MF6 just hangs requiring one to use the Task Manager to shut the program down to recover.

If I create an m2v elementary stream from Procoder3 , MF6 Plus will accept it without automatically combining the complimentary Ac3 audio file. However you can add it by clicking on Edit File, then right clicking on the file (in the timeline) and choosing Add Audio. The preview will then play the file with audio and you can go to the disc/file creation page to "convert it".

Unfortunately, no matter what I have tried it creates a non-compliant file that will not play in anything other than a computer DVD Rom drive. Plus, despite the fact that the parameters for the video are identical to the source, the very fact that you have added the audio causes MF6 to not just MUX the file, but to re-render the video as well. And what it re-renders to is anyone's guess. If that is "smart rendering" it needs a dunce cap.

Conclusion: One must MUX before bringing the video file into MF6 plus. That negates using expensive software like Procoder 3 to create Mpeg 2 and trying to use MF6 Plus to author the DVD without first doing an imtermediate step (Muxing). Too bad because the menu templates are kind of nice.

John
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