Help w/VS9 crashes

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Bill
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Post by Bill »

I'm not sure what you mean by the properties of the captured
file. By captured file, do you mean the file on the DVD? How
do I determine the properties?
Trevor Andrew

Post by Trevor Andrew »

Hi Bill

A few ways to find the properties
1------
right click a clip in the timeline or library and select properties

2------ Please do this:-
From file-preferences-tick-Show messages when inserting first clip¡K¡K

Start a new project
Insert the captured video to the timeline
Select ¡¥Details¡¦ from the info window.

Use your mouse to select the details in the right panel-video properties
Use your keyboard Ctrl+C to copy
Use Ctrl+V to paste to the forum
Trevor Andrew

Post by Trevor Andrew »

Hi Bill

you said (By captured file, do you mean the file on the DVD)

In an earlier post you said (My camcorder is analog and I captured the movie thru
DVDXpressDX2 device. The resulting file has a MPG
extension.)

We need the properties of this resultant file ( the captured file).

When capture is complete a thumbnail/clip of the file is placed in the library and timeline.

Please follow the instructions in the above post-item 2 to retrieve the properties.

(take itty, bitty steps)
Bill
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Properties

Post by Bill »

Trevor - here are the properties for the captured file.

FILE
Filename: ...uvs080303-003.mpg
file format: NTSC DVD
file size: 6,285,562 kb
duration: 11343.877 seconds

VIDEO
video type: MPEG-2 video
total frames: 339,976 frame(s)
attributes: 24 bits, 720 x 480, 4:3
frame rate: 29.970 frames/second
data rate: variable bit rate (max 6000 kpbs)

AUDIO
audio type: MPEG audio layer 2 files
total samples: 544,506,106 samples
attributes: 48000 hz, 16 bit, stereo
layer: 2
bit rate: 224 kbps

This is the captured file that I edited down to 2 minutes and 20
seconds and successfully burned to DVD yesterday. I hope
it doesn't matter but the version of VS I'm using is 9 SE (I think
that means it's bundled with something, in this case with some
hardware).

Bill
Trevor Andrew

Post by Trevor Andrew »

Hi Bill
Good morning

I assume its 10.30ish in the US, I am in the UK and its 2.30 pm.
Thanks for the video properties--------
the field order is not listed, from an analogue source capture it should be Upper Field.
The audio, being in the US I would have expected LPMC or Digital Dolby
I am unsure if Mpeg Audio is standard for the US and NTSC

Typical settings:-

MPEG files
24 Bits, 720 x 480, 29.97 fps
Upper Field First (for analogue capture source)
(DVD-NTSC), 4:3
Video data rate: 6000 kbps ( allowing 90 minutes of video)
LPCM Audio, 48 KHz, Stereo---or --Digital Dolby

Can we assume that the properties for the original main video, the 90 minute version are the same as your post.

OK

When you have completed the editing of the original project, do you create a video file or do you go directly to the burn stage?

You should Create a Video File first

With the original project open, go to---
Share-Create Video File- choose ¡¥Same as First Clip¡¦

From the Create Video File window (top) select a save location
Give the File a Name (bottom)
View the details in the ¡¥properties¡¦ panel ( lower left) do they look as they should.

You could copy and paste these properties to the forum if you wish.

Click Save , the render process will take some time.
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Post by tyamada »

I have never had great success creating a DVD from the time line in VS9. The work around I used in the Create Disc section was to either Create DVD Folders or Create Disk Image File. After creation I used Nero to burn the disk. Never had any failures that way.

If I recall VS9 had a problem creating direct from the time line to a DVD. You might try to render the file first then open the Share-Create Disk and add the video file you jest created and try from there.
Bill
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Hi

Post by Bill »

Hello again Trevor. Well, we were 5 hours behind the UK until
Sunday morning when we advanced the clocks one hour and went
on daylight savings time. If you don't observe daylight savings
time there then we are 4 hours apart.

I didn't see a "field order" listing when I copied the properties.
As far as the audio I don't have a clue as to what to expect.
I would assume that the properties for everything I have made
are the same as I passed earlier. I burn a DVD direct from the
timeline rather than creating a video file. Even the DVDs
that were correctly burnt a few weeks ago were created that way.
I'll try again by creating a video file first.

When you use the term "render" are you referring to "burn",
as in a DVD?
Trevor Andrew

Post by Trevor Andrew »

Hi Bill

The term render refers to Creating a Video File.

Render has many meanings, in the world of video you are creating one file from several fragmented files.

Your project contains many files/clips, these are rendered to create one file.

Render---To make as one

From a new project, the resultant file, hopefully an Mpeg 2 is used to Share-Create Disc¡XAdd Video File.
OK
Your project has to be made into one file (rendered) whether you do it now (recommended) or VS does it automatically in the burner stage.

Read my Quick Guide to Mpeg from the link below.
Bill
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OK

Post by Bill »

As it was suggested, I rendered my project file and checked the
properties. Here they are:

File
Filename: C:\Documents and settings\owner.home\my documents\ulead videostudio SE\9.0\test.mpg
File format: NTSC DVD
File size: 5,210,694 KB
Duration: 5013.046 seconds

Video
Video type: MPEG-2 video, lower field first
total frames: 150,241 frame(s)
attributes: 24 bits, 720 x 480, 4:3
frame rate: 29.970 frames/sec
data rate: variable bit rate

Audio
Audio type: LPCM Audio
Total samples: 240,626,226 samples
attributes: 4800 hz, 16 bit, stereo
layer: ((field is blank))
bit rate: ((field is blank))

One more thing. The project file is about 1 hour 30 minutes long.
I tried to burn it to DVD and the computer said the file is too long.
Put in a disc with larger capacity. That's not possible with my DVD
burner.
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Post by Black Lab »

Apparently you didn't read Trevor's link, as he suggested. There you would have seen how adjusting the bitrate allows you to put more than an hour on a DVD.
Trevor Andrew

Post by Trevor Andrew »

Hi Bill

I think you created the file using VS standard template. As far as I now this uses ¡¥lower field¡¦ first, your captured files should have been ¡¥upper field¡¦. It will also use 8000, this is suitable for about 60 minutes worth, above that and you have to reduce the rate.
Forget about the last file ¡¥Test.mpg¡¦ that can be deleted. Look on it as practice.

What you need to do is render, Share Create Video File of the original project. But you need to use the original projects video file properties.

This is how

Open the original project,
Share Create Video File
Select Same as First Video Clip

Now this is important, view the ¡¥Properties panel¡¦ lower left.
The Video data rate: should be 6000 kbps. ( no more than 6500)

Hopefully these were captured using a bit rate of. 6000kbps, otherwise we change the bit rate.

If this is true then continue to save, the process will take some time, but quicker than the earlier test.

If the Bit rate is greater then you need to create your own template.
Cancel the process.

One step at a time
Bill
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Thanks but ...

Post by Bill »

I really, really appreciate everyone's help but I've lost patience with
my efforts to burn a DVD. On Wednesday, I went out and bought
another maker's video editing software. It worked fine right out
of the box. I'll be using that software from now on. Please accept
my thanks for everyone's with VS9 though.

Bill
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