problems capturing with usb cable with sony handycam

etech6355 · Post by **etech6355** » Tue Feb 19, 2008 5:15 pm

Sue,
If possible I'd like to try this. The project that looked smooth but the audio was out of sync.
Can you load that project (make sure the project is using good source videos, not ones that have been re-encoded).
After you load the project goto "Preferences" (F6 Hotkey), assign a new "Working Folder", Ex: (C:\VS11_AudioProblem)
Then make sure the "Project Settings" match your source videos. "File -> Project Properties". If the settings do not match your source videos make the appropriate changes. Then "Save" the Project in the new assigned "Working Folder".

Now goto "Share -> Create Disk -> DVD", this will bring you into the "Burning Module". The Project is carried over from the VS11+ timeline into the burning module.
Click on the "GEAR" Icon and double check the "Project Settings" in the "Burning Module", they should be correct and the same as the timeline "Project Settings" (they should have been carried over into the burning module). If the "Project Settings" in the burning module do not match your source videos then change them to match the source video project. These are the encoder settings that will be used to re-encode the video. Double check them, I would make the encoder use 100% compression as the project settings.
Now create chapters if you want then "Next" and create a Menu.
After you create a menu hit "Close" to save this complete project, in case something goes downhill

Now go back into the burning module: "Share -> Create Disk -> DVD", next, next to the burning screen.
Extra tip: When in the actual 3rd step of the burning module there is a downarrow on the right hand side, clicking on it will display additional burning features.
Click on the "Burn" Icon and let VS11+ reconstruct the project within the burning module. It still uses "SmartRender" as long as the burning modules "Project Settings" equal the source videos settings, but in a different method compared to the "Mpeg Optimizer"
Hopefully the audio will not be out of sync. If it is then I'll post some mpeg editing tips.
I'll be posting the mpeg editing tips anyway.

nanniesue · Post by **nanniesue** » Tue Feb 19, 2008 5:28 pm

hi etech
thanks for getting back to me
ok firsty yes the files can be accessed via my drive letter and they are definatley mpg
secondly yes i can copy them directly to the computer and all the properties are the same as using the software picture motionbrowser

in the meantime will do the other and make template
let you know how i get on
sue

nanniesue · Post by **nanniesue** » Tue Feb 19, 2008 5:39 pm

quick question
managed to make a template in burning module no problem
did the same as instructions for template manager in timeline changed all settings etc but does not save it? only shows the 2 templates that were there orignally
HELP
do you want me to load original source files for my out of sync project
or can i use the vsp file as i still have this?
sue

etech6355 · Post by **etech6355** » Tue Feb 19, 2008 7:40 pm

Sue,
You should be able to use the VSP file, the VSP file should still be using the original videos.

did the same as instructions for template manager in timeline changed all settings etc but does not save it? only shows the 2 templates that were there orignally

That is a bug. I will have to find out the process to fix it. The file it's trying to write ot is marked read-only.
I will have to post back instructions to fix that problem.
In the meantime see if you can burn the project using the method I described.

etech6355 · Post by **etech6355** » Tue Feb 19, 2008 8:15 pm

VS11+ not saving Movie Templates:
This problem while running windows XP should be that the file "MovieTem.dat" is marked "Read-Only".
To correct this problem:
1) First enable "Show Hidden Folders".
.....a) Open up an explorer window
.....b) Click on "Tools -> Folder Options" and select the View Tab
.....c) Scroll down, select and put a check in the box "Show Hidden Files & Folders", apply and exit.

2) Then using windows explorer navigate to the following directory:
.....C:\Documents and Settings\<Your_User_Name>\Application Data\Ulead Systems\Ulead VideoStudio\11.0
.....In this 11.0 directory find the "MovieTem.dat" file, right click on it and select "Properties", on the "Properties Page" uncheck the box that says "Read Only".
.....It may be checked or greyed, clear this setting to make the file writable.
3) Then click OK, go back and disable the "Show Hidden Files & Folders"

nanniesue · Post by **nanniesue** » Tue Feb 19, 2008 8:49 pm

wow thanks yes that worked now have new template
am printing off all this advice to keep incase

BUT have followed your instructions for the project with audio out of sync to the T but got same as before sharp clear picture out of sync video is it worth trying to make another vsp project maybe shorter than my original say 15 mins long instead of 31 mins and editing and adding titles etc am prepared to try anything

after my first try with just original files and then burning when all was ok thought you had cracked it for me was feeling good and now............

await further instructions again

etech6355 · Post by **etech6355** » Tue Feb 19, 2008 9:42 pm

I remember you posted that disabling "Smart Render" then the audio was in sync but the fielding was wrong.
So you don't lose the project and all that work I would goto "Share -> Create Video File -> "YOUR CUSTOM TEMPLATE"
Then click on the "Option" button and disable SmartRender. The method or way the mpegs were edited may not be supported by smartrender.
Also check in the lower left hand corner that the encoding parameters are correct.
If when you made the template you set the compression to 100% there should be very little loss.
You can always go back and "Edit" your custom templates.

So make sure your project settings are correct.
Then export to a new video file using your template with "Smart Render" Off.
Start a new project, goto "Share -> Create Disc".
Apply that custom template you made in the burning module as the burning modules project settings.
Load the video your just exported with smartrender off.
Burn the dvd.

This should work. There is not that much loss re-encoding only one time. Many users use this method and disable smartrender.

nanniesue · Post by **nanniesue** » Wed Feb 20, 2008 12:33 am

ok here i am again
did all that disabled smart render and used all my templates i made and double checked all the settings both in create file and in burning module and yes the audio is in sync now but i have definately lost some quality and have got the motion thing going on again
to describe it the best i can it is like if there is a moving object in the video when you are watching it it makes you feel at sick
whereas this does not happen with enabling smart render
this may all sound very petty to you but it really is noticeable have got others to watch all my test dvds without me saying anything and they have all said the same it is harder to watch the unrendered on as you really have to concentrate!! (am not explaining this i very well i do not think!!)

could it possibly........... be anything to do with the fact that i load my files onto another hard drive

c drive which holds all my stuff if you like called BOOT (C:)
which it says is 116.41 gb
d drive called BACK UP 107.91gb
e drive called RECOVER 8.51

i also have an external drive
i load my files onto my d drive as read in one of the forums it is best to keep your files on a seperate drive

also have just looked at the specs for the camcorder and it says under regording format MPEG2-PS

would anything i have told you make any differnce or give you any clues
i really am sorry if all of this is taking up a lot of your time there has to be a solution somewhere surely!!!!

if not i will just have to make the decision between bad audio sync or bad movie motion i suppose

have also managed to find some facts about my pc are as follow
total memory physical 1023mb total windows 4070mb

in anticipation
sue

sjj1805 · Post by **sjj1805** » Wed Feb 20, 2008 3:17 am

Double check your field order settings.
Normally you set the field order as follows.

Digital Source = Lower Field First
Analogue Source = Upper Field First
Scanned images, Digital Camera, Drawings etc - Frame Based.

2Dogs · Post by **2Dogs** » Wed Feb 20, 2008 3:23 am

Hi Sue,

I've always been a strong advocate of separate OS and programs and Data partitions on pc's - the difference being that my OS and programs C: partition is anything from 7GB to 10GB depending on which pc. The only downside is that I have to be careful that programs don't point large temporary files (such as DVD folders for example) to my C: drive, otherwise the system has served me well for several years.

You should be fine importing the video files onto your D: data partition.

One thing that worries me is a paragraph on page 74 of the pdf manual for your camera, which states:

"Even in a computer environment where the operations are guaranteed, frames may be dropped from movies, resulting in uneven playback."

This does raise the possibility that something could be amiss with the source video. I think I originally posted that there was little likelihood of dropped frames when transferring video from a hard drive camcorder. Perhaps the possibility is higher than I thought.

One thing you might do to try to prevent such an occurrence would be to disconnect all other USB devices - since they are sharing the USB "bus". That would mean disconnecting your USB hard drive, just when importing video. You more than likely have a "legacy" keyboard and mouse, which don't use USB connections, but you might also disconnect any flash drives or card readers when importing video.

nanniesue · Post by **nanniesue** » Wed Feb 20, 2008 4:14 am

many thanks again for replying
i have checked checked and double checked my field settings and the properties for my source videos are definately upperfield first
i will try what you suggest regarding the usb and my god you really are trying to help if you have read through the pdf manual as far as page 74!!!
reading all the forums etc and threads i have found that this was a problem with earlier versions of video studio if you used smart render after editing etc
i also understood that it was fixed from version 9 upwards obviously not as guess what i cannot use smart render with version 11
am really cross as already have cyberlink powerproducer and cyberlink powerdirector which i was using but as the quality was not very good (no smart render button so was encoding the whole video) went and paid £60 for videostudio .
i may as well have just used cyberlink and saved some money!!!
anyway my friends have to go now to my bed it is 3.00am here in the uk and have again been at it all day!
any more ideas or fixes gratefully appreciated
sue

etech6355 · Post by **etech6355** » Wed Feb 20, 2008 6:26 am

to describe it the best i can it is like if there is a moving object in the video when you are watching it it makes you feel at sick

Something is wrong.
Do you have 2 pass encoding enabled either in your "Project Settings" or the settings for the template.
I leave 2 Pass encoding off.
I don't have an answer, try a new project and make sure 2 pass encoding is off.
Keep the project simple. Just trim it and add text, no transitions.

nanniesue · Post by **nanniesue** » Wed Feb 20, 2008 9:10 am

no i was using 2 pass encode originally but not anymore i am going to remove videostudio now and load again with all the patches you recommended and start all over again
then try again

if still no luck i give up
according to all the threads etc i should be able to use smart render with version 11 and mpeg files

does the fact they are MPEG2 -PS have any bearing on this

sjj1805 · Post by **sjj1805** » Wed Feb 20, 2008 2:17 pm

nanniesue wrote:n.......does the fact they are MPEG2 -PS have any bearing on this

Here is an article in layman's language describing the difference between Program Stream and Transport Stream.

MPEG: Transport Stream vs. Program Stream

Extract from that article wrote:Transport Stream muxing generally comes into play when you
are a broadcaster and want to send an MPEG stream across a link that is
prone to errors (dropping packets). This generally means a satellite or
broadcast link - although it could also mean a noisy data network. Due
to atmospheric and other forms of interference, broadcast or satellite
transmission can lead to the loss of data packets. A Transport Stream
mux contains additional information that will allow the MPEG decoder on
the receiving end to handle gaps in the transmission sequence and
recover. Thsi means that a dropped packet may lead to a blip in the
image, but that the decoder will be able to recover and continue playing
back the stream.

etech6355 · Post by **etech6355** » Wed Feb 20, 2008 2:39 pm

Steve,
This users videos are all definitely Program Stream and Ulead products work best with Program Stream video.

There is something happening on the posters computer. She mentioned about the screen going blank when rendering to a new file which shouldn't happen. There are certain things when editing mpeg2 video you cannot do with this program or other programs because it's mpeg2 video.
I think it's a glitch.