thanks for both replies am going to try and download the patches as suggested
i do have my settings for compression to 100% but have also been ticking 2 pass encode should i be doing this am doing it for project proerties for making mpeg file then ticking again in properties for creating disc is this right?
it is not the fact that it takes longer to render it is that the quality of an out of sync audio dvd is perfect with no picture degrade or motion sickness as described at beginning of questions whereas a smart rendered dvd is in sync but with the motion sickness so looks like i have to choose which to put up with!!!!!
another question do i have to enable smart proxy in preferences if so what settings and what about just below that the video proxy settings should they be greyed out or not if not which settings should i use for them?
i really do not want you to think that i have not bothered to search every thread etc for all these answers as i have but just seem to be going round and round in circles!!!!
yes i am running xp where can i find out the rest of the specs of my pc you asked for? now i am showing that i really do not know that much its just have not had to know them before
and finally as they say when i render to make mpeg file and then go to create disc it all seems to render again and i have to wait say another 25 mins is this the case?
yet again i wait for your response and will keep playing and reading inbetween
sue
problems capturing with usb cable with sony handycam
Moderator: Ken Berry
First, install the 2 updates, install the HD-Add-On pack 2nd. Do not install the HotFix.
Install the Update Pack first.
1) Ulead VideoStudio 11 Update Pack (Release Date: 2007/11/6 )
2) Ulead VideoStudio 11 Plus Power Pack (Release Date: 2007/11/8 )
Reboot
3) Directx 9.0C Novermber 2007
Reboot
VS11+ Updates
http://ulead.com/tech/vs/vs_ftp.htm
I would not use 2 pass encoding with mpeg2 as your source video.
The encoding twice is happening because when you go into the burning module the Project File (not the video) is being carried over in the burning module. If you already rendered the video you don't want this. Delete the project file from the burning module timeline and insert the mpeg2 video file you exported from the main VS11+ timeline.
Under the GEAR Icon the option "Do Not Convert Compliant Mpeg2 xxxxx" should be checked ON. With this settings checked to ON then the burning module will not re-encoded the video. You will see multi-plexing come up very quickly in Step3 of the burning module.
So if you already have rendered a file remove the project file that's carried over from the timeline into the burning module timeline (somewhat confusing, I know).
It takes so much information to explain how VS11+ works, it's not possible to put into one post.
Here is another tip. When your in the burning module you will see it also has an assigned working directly along with it's own Project Settings. So make sure to set these up properly. Gear -> Change Mpeg Settings -> Customize.
It sounds like your video is being re-encoded a few times to many.
VS11+ with the patches installed fixes many problems. Also higher quality encoding.
When you get time to troubleshoot why the dvd that has the bad fielding in it (the motion sickness). Put the dvd into your reader and then using the VS11+ import dvd/vr disk feature import one of the videos back into your computers harddisk..
After the video is imported "Right-Click" on it and view it's "Properties", take a look at the fielding settings. If there aren't any it was encoded as Progressive or Frame_Based. If it's Lower Field then the fields are reversed. If it's Upper field first then hopefully the patches will fix this or the video was encoded twice, first frame_based and then back to fielded.
So much to learn, don't burn out, take a break.
After you install the patches you may have to start over. I'm not sure if any of the videos you have already made can be reused. You would want to start off with the source videos, or an existing project that still uses the original source videos that haven't been altered.
After the patches are installed etc, to make new videos use same as project settings and disable smartrender, no 2 pass encoding. The MPEG Optimizer is a new feature and you have appeared to been having problems with it maybe. Using Project Settings is standard workflow.
Originally I would have suggested using the "Mpeg Optimizer", but you did post you have already tried it.
Install the Update Pack first.
1) Ulead VideoStudio 11 Update Pack (Release Date: 2007/11/6 )
2) Ulead VideoStudio 11 Plus Power Pack (Release Date: 2007/11/8 )
Reboot
3) Directx 9.0C Novermber 2007
Reboot
VS11+ Updates
http://ulead.com/tech/vs/vs_ftp.htm
I would not use 2 pass encoding with mpeg2 as your source video.
The encoding twice is happening because when you go into the burning module the Project File (not the video) is being carried over in the burning module. If you already rendered the video you don't want this. Delete the project file from the burning module timeline and insert the mpeg2 video file you exported from the main VS11+ timeline.
Under the GEAR Icon the option "Do Not Convert Compliant Mpeg2 xxxxx" should be checked ON. With this settings checked to ON then the burning module will not re-encoded the video. You will see multi-plexing come up very quickly in Step3 of the burning module.
So if you already have rendered a file remove the project file that's carried over from the timeline into the burning module timeline (somewhat confusing, I know).
It takes so much information to explain how VS11+ works, it's not possible to put into one post.
Here is another tip. When your in the burning module you will see it also has an assigned working directly along with it's own Project Settings. So make sure to set these up properly. Gear -> Change Mpeg Settings -> Customize.
It sounds like your video is being re-encoded a few times to many.
VS11+ with the patches installed fixes many problems. Also higher quality encoding.
When you get time to troubleshoot why the dvd that has the bad fielding in it (the motion sickness). Put the dvd into your reader and then using the VS11+ import dvd/vr disk feature import one of the videos back into your computers harddisk..
After the video is imported "Right-Click" on it and view it's "Properties", take a look at the fielding settings. If there aren't any it was encoded as Progressive or Frame_Based. If it's Lower Field then the fields are reversed. If it's Upper field first then hopefully the patches will fix this or the video was encoded twice, first frame_based and then back to fielded.
So much to learn, don't burn out, take a break.
After you install the patches you may have to start over. I'm not sure if any of the videos you have already made can be reused. You would want to start off with the source videos, or an existing project that still uses the original source videos that haven't been altered.
After the patches are installed etc, to make new videos use same as project settings and disable smartrender, no 2 pass encoding. The MPEG Optimizer is a new feature and you have appeared to been having problems with it maybe. Using Project Settings is standard workflow.
Originally I would have suggested using the "Mpeg Optimizer", but you did post you have already tried it.
thanks for your indepth reply much appreciated any ideas are all tried
firstly have downloaded all updates as requested
i think that i already do what you are saying about the files
this is what i do
i load my clips into the timeline then edit and add titles
i then to go to share / create video filesame as project settings / click on the options box and change the compression to 100%
then save and wait for it to render
(as mentioned earlier if i untick smart render i lose the quality if i leave ticked i have audio out of sync)
i then click on file in videostudio and click new project this clears the timeline and then / share / create disc (same as project settings and same as first clip are greyed out
this then brings me to the place where i can add menus etc
i click on add video and load the new mpeg file that i have just made with the rendering process
even if i add no menus or anything here and go straight to the burn icon
it still seems to take ages and to media plex or something like that it says(no laughing now!!)
i cannot tell you what settings i was using with the gear as they have now changed after updating videostudio
what should i be using here in project settings i change mpeg settings to which from the list HQ 16:9 dolby digital or HQ 16:9 both are coming up frame based not upper field so do i need to change this to upper this is what i was doing before
also i notice that the date rate for either is variable max 7000 and my project files are variable 9100 do i also need to change this ?
one last question again do i need to check 2 pass conversion here or do you advice not i have been checking it as thought that would improve the quality from reading through things but you are the expert not me
in the meantime while you are hopefully answering my 100 questions i will look at the other about the motion in my dvd and put it into pc and extract the files will let you know the outcome of the properties
i really cannot thank you all enough for all your help
will be around for hours yet playing (too the annoyance of all others in the household)
i just cant help it i hate to give up on anything and will keep at it till i get it right hopefully with all your expert advice
sue
firstly have downloaded all updates as requested
i think that i already do what you are saying about the files
this is what i do
i load my clips into the timeline then edit and add titles
i then to go to share / create video filesame as project settings / click on the options box and change the compression to 100%
then save and wait for it to render
(as mentioned earlier if i untick smart render i lose the quality if i leave ticked i have audio out of sync)
i then click on file in videostudio and click new project this clears the timeline and then / share / create disc (same as project settings and same as first clip are greyed out
this then brings me to the place where i can add menus etc
i click on add video and load the new mpeg file that i have just made with the rendering process
even if i add no menus or anything here and go straight to the burn icon
it still seems to take ages and to media plex or something like that it says(no laughing now!!)
i cannot tell you what settings i was using with the gear as they have now changed after updating videostudio
what should i be using here in project settings i change mpeg settings to which from the list HQ 16:9 dolby digital or HQ 16:9 both are coming up frame based not upper field so do i need to change this to upper this is what i was doing before
also i notice that the date rate for either is variable max 7000 and my project files are variable 9100 do i also need to change this ?
one last question again do i need to check 2 pass conversion here or do you advice not i have been checking it as thought that would improve the quality from reading through things but you are the expert not me
in the meantime while you are hopefully answering my 100 questions i will look at the other about the motion in my dvd and put it into pc and extract the files will let you know the outcome of the properties
i really cannot thank you all enough for all your help
will be around for hours yet playing (too the annoyance of all others in the household)
i just cant help it i hate to give up on anything and will keep at it till i get it right hopefully with all your expert advice
sue
ok have just took video from motion sick dvd (that sounds so funny)
results are
meg 2 video upper field first
frames 47,368
attrtibutes 24 720x576 16:9
frame rate 25.000
data rate variable 9100
audio dolby digital
48000
bit rate 256
layer none
these all match my original video clips imported into my timeline
does the data rate have to be the same as original clip as have noticed that on all the templates for dvd it is only variable 7000
sorry am i getting to big for my boots!!!!
results are
meg 2 video upper field first
frames 47,368
attrtibutes 24 720x576 16:9
frame rate 25.000
data rate variable 9100
audio dolby digital
48000
bit rate 256
layer none
these all match my original video clips imported into my timeline
does the data rate have to be the same as original clip as have noticed that on all the templates for dvd it is only variable 7000
sorry am i getting to big for my boots!!!!
I have a question, exactly how are you getting your videos from the camcorder onto your harddisk. I read the previous posts and couldn't find if you posted it.
Are you simply copying the mpg files from the camcorders harddisk to your computer harddisk or using the VS11+ import dvd feature.
I'd like to keep the posts short & easy as to not cover to much ground.
I'd like to see you burn an un-edited dvd first, just using the camcorders source videos in the burning module.
First though please post how you are getting them into your harddisk.
I'll wait for your reply then give you simple instructions to burn an un-edited dvd. You need to see and know this dvd plays properly just like the camcorder does.
Don't give up yet OK.
Are you simply copying the mpg files from the camcorders harddisk to your computer harddisk or using the VS11+ import dvd feature.
I'd like to keep the posts short & easy as to not cover to much ground.
I'd like to see you burn an un-edited dvd first, just using the camcorders source videos in the burning module.
First though please post how you are getting them into your harddisk.
I'll wait for your reply then give you simple instructions to burn an un-edited dvd. You need to see and know this dvd plays properly just like the camcorder does.
Don't give up yet OK.
OK,
Open VS11+ and go directly to "Share -> Create Disk -> DVD".
You are now in the burning module. Hit the F6 key and assign a new working folder on your harddisk such as C:\VS11_Burn
Click on the top left Icon, navigate the harddisk and insert one or two of your original videos that the other software extracted to your harddisk. They should each be a few minutes or so in length. Do not use any edited video, only the original videos that were transferred via the other software.
After they are on the timeline right_click on them and select "Media Clip Properties". Write down the video/audio properties (probably memorized by now).
Click on the GEAR Icon and make sure these 2 are checked ON.
"Do not convert mpeg2 compliant video files xxxx"
"XDisc"
Then click on the "Change Mpeg Settings -> Customize" and make the project settings video/audio settings in the burn module the same as your source videos.
Remove the check from the "Create Menu" box.
After you do this click CLOSE. This brings you back to the timeline again.
Now, File -> Save and save the project. Go back into the burning module, "Share -> Create Disc -> DVD"
Hit next, next & burn your dvd. When you click on burn the process should be very fast.
Now view this dvd on your dvd player. It should look correct. If it doesn't then the software that's extracting the videos is altering the video maybe.
Next load the project again, go into the burn module, Check ON "Create Menu", load some more original videos and burn a dvd with menus using only the original videos that are not edited by VS11+ (only the videos the other software extracted from the cam).
If everything pans out well then the following posts can cover simple editing from the timeline as previously posted.
Another tip inside of the VS11+ burning module:Creating Templates
Click on the lower left Icon and select "Disc Template Manager"
The top drop-down box displays the disc type (is this case DVD)
Click on New, assign a name to the template and create a new template. I use templates that are easy to read in relation to their properties such as
DVD 720x480-8000kbs UFF 16:9 Dolby 2/0@256kbs
After the template is created click OK and go back to the Burning modules timeline.
Click on the GEAR Icon -> Change Mpeg Settings. You will see your custom template displayed, just select it and the "Project Settings" for the Burn Module will now use these settings are it's encoder settings.
This is much faster than setting the "Project Settings" in the burn module manually.
Open VS11+ and go directly to "Share -> Create Disk -> DVD".
You are now in the burning module. Hit the F6 key and assign a new working folder on your harddisk such as C:\VS11_Burn
Click on the top left Icon, navigate the harddisk and insert one or two of your original videos that the other software extracted to your harddisk. They should each be a few minutes or so in length. Do not use any edited video, only the original videos that were transferred via the other software.
After they are on the timeline right_click on them and select "Media Clip Properties". Write down the video/audio properties (probably memorized by now).
Click on the GEAR Icon and make sure these 2 are checked ON.
"Do not convert mpeg2 compliant video files xxxx"
"XDisc"
Then click on the "Change Mpeg Settings -> Customize" and make the project settings video/audio settings in the burn module the same as your source videos.
Remove the check from the "Create Menu" box.
After you do this click CLOSE. This brings you back to the timeline again.
Now, File -> Save and save the project. Go back into the burning module, "Share -> Create Disc -> DVD"
Hit next, next & burn your dvd. When you click on burn the process should be very fast.
Now view this dvd on your dvd player. It should look correct. If it doesn't then the software that's extracting the videos is altering the video maybe.
Next load the project again, go into the burn module, Check ON "Create Menu", load some more original videos and burn a dvd with menus using only the original videos that are not edited by VS11+ (only the videos the other software extracted from the cam).
If everything pans out well then the following posts can cover simple editing from the timeline as previously posted.
Another tip inside of the VS11+ burning module:Creating Templates
Click on the lower left Icon and select "Disc Template Manager"
The top drop-down box displays the disc type (is this case DVD)
Click on New, assign a name to the template and create a new template. I use templates that are easy to read in relation to their properties such as
DVD 720x480-8000kbs UFF 16:9 Dolby 2/0@256kbs
After the template is created click OK and go back to the Burning modules timeline.
Click on the GEAR Icon -> Change Mpeg Settings. You will see your custom template displayed, just select it and the "Project Settings" for the Burn Module will now use these settings are it's encoder settings.
This is much faster than setting the "Project Settings" in the burn module manually.
Last edited by etech6355 on Tue Feb 19, 2008 4:04 pm, edited 3 times in total.
Hi Sue,
I was holding off posting since I didn't want to confuse any advice you were getting from etech - he's taking a very thorough approach. In fact I wish he'd jumped in earlier, since I hadn't asked about updates and patches, which was a very relevant factor. I have been "lurking" though...
Anyway, you might try just copying a small sample clip by the "copy and paste" method - presumably you are able to see the files in Windows Explorer or My Computer, and you can simply drag them across to a working folder. I would set up a new subfolder of your working directory for this, and give it a distinctive name, so that you don't get confused between files which have been copied using the software that came with the camera - if that's what you were previously using - and files transferred by "dragging and dropping". You might even rename the files, and give them a distinctive name. Incidentally, if you do actually use "cut", it will probably delete the file from the camcorder hard drive, which you may not want to do just yet, unless the hard drive is almost full.
What does your camcorder manual suggest by way of transferring video to the pc?
I was holding off posting since I didn't want to confuse any advice you were getting from etech - he's taking a very thorough approach. In fact I wish he'd jumped in earlier, since I hadn't asked about updates and patches, which was a very relevant factor. I have been "lurking" though...
Anyway, you might try just copying a small sample clip by the "copy and paste" method - presumably you are able to see the files in Windows Explorer or My Computer, and you can simply drag them across to a working folder. I would set up a new subfolder of your working directory for this, and give it a distinctive name, so that you don't get confused between files which have been copied using the software that came with the camera - if that's what you were previously using - and files transferred by "dragging and dropping". You might even rename the files, and give them a distinctive name. Incidentally, if you do actually use "cut", it will probably delete the file from the camcorder hard drive, which you may not want to do just yet, unless the hard drive is almost full.
What does your camcorder manual suggest by way of transferring video to the pc?
JVC GR-DV3000u Panasonic FZ8 VS 7SE Basic - X2
hi thanks for quicky reply and by the way i love am an who lurches!!
the camcorder instructions tell you to use the software provided which is picture motion browser which i do but earlier did drag 2 clips via copy paste and all the info was the same have not used them though as am waiting for etech for my next lesson ( so glad he puts everything so simple makes my life so much easier)
please do reply if you do have anymore advice though as any ideas are worth a try if this way does not work out
sue
the camcorder instructions tell you to use the software provided which is picture motion browser which i do but earlier did drag 2 clips via copy paste and all the info was the same have not used them though as am waiting for etech for my next lesson ( so glad he puts everything so simple makes my life so much easier)
please do reply if you do have anymore advice though as any ideas are worth a try if this way does not work out
sue
Hey I lurk, I don't usually lurch, although a few Hoegartens can have that effect!
While you're waiting for etech's next step, you could try playing the copied and pasted clips in Media Player or your favourite software media player, to see if there are any glitches or unwanted effects.
Do be careful not to confuse those clips with the ones imported using the Sony software, since it may only confuse the issue and confound any advice you get from etech.
You may also have time to insert the copied and pasted clips into a new, also distinctively named fresh project, perhaps using the "Sue" template vsp file for that if you did make one following my earlier suggestion, and try creating a video file from the project. Then check that file using a media player. If everything works out, the copy and paste method might be a simpler way of transferring the video without using some Sony "bloatware", but I wouldn't dismiss the Sony software right away.
One further question - how long was the "problem" project - the footie game that generated the erratic video?
While you're waiting for etech's next step, you could try playing the copied and pasted clips in Media Player or your favourite software media player, to see if there are any glitches or unwanted effects.
Do be careful not to confuse those clips with the ones imported using the Sony software, since it may only confuse the issue and confound any advice you get from etech.
You may also have time to insert the copied and pasted clips into a new, also distinctively named fresh project, perhaps using the "Sue" template vsp file for that if you did make one following my earlier suggestion, and try creating a video file from the project. Then check that file using a media player. If everything works out, the copy and paste method might be a simpler way of transferring the video without using some Sony "bloatware", but I wouldn't dismiss the Sony software right away.
One further question - how long was the "problem" project - the footie game that generated the erratic video?
JVC GR-DV3000u Panasonic FZ8 VS 7SE Basic - X2
ok cheers sorry cant spell
anyway the erratic video was 31 minutes long quality great audio out of sync using smart render
same video quality ok audio in synch no erratic video unticky smart render
it is hard to tell the quality using media player or similar as looks totally different on pc to tv
also on one of my dvd players picture is sharp
on another nowhere near so sharp
have lost my sue template as updated ulead with patches as adviced and do not want to start playing around again with all the settings as yet
cheers
sue
anyway the erratic video was 31 minutes long quality great audio out of sync using smart render
same video quality ok audio in synch no erratic video unticky smart render
it is hard to tell the quality using media player or similar as looks totally different on pc to tv
also on one of my dvd players picture is sharp
on another nowhere near so sharp
have lost my sue template as updated ulead with patches as adviced and do not want to start playing around again with all the settings as yet
cheers
sue
2Dogs,
I was going to ask some similar questions. I prepared this in notepad, some is redunant now but still pasting the post. I think we should know a little more about the Sony Motion Picture Browser, whether it re-coding the videos (I don't think so).
Sue,
2 things.
First I added more to the VS11+ burning module above post (edited that post). At the bottom are the instructions how to make templates in the burning module and then apply them as the "Project Settings" for the burning module.
I would print that out, it's a classic staple of how to work in the VS11+ Burning module. Not just for making DVD's, but also for HD-DVD/Blu-Ray/AVCHD/VCD/SVCD's.
The videos that are on your camcorder. When you access it via windows explorer as a drive letter. Do the videos already have a mpg extension to them?
Are they named File01.mpg, File02.mpg etc, or something else.
Can you directly edit them on the camcorder? Trim them down, cut out sections or split the videos. That would indicate the camcorder is recording in the -VR format. If that's the case you would then maybe see a main DVD_RTAV folder with some File01.VRO files.
If they are File01.mpg etc you should be able to copy them from the cams harddisk directly to your computer.
And one last question, when you use the software to transfer the videos does the software give you a choice of quality? This would require the video to be re-encoded or smartrendered to change the quality level. I would think the software simply performs a file copy and should go pretty fast.
First thing start a new VS11+ and learn how to make a custom template in the VS11+ timeline that you can use to export to.
Start VS11+, goto "Tools -> Make Movie Templates Manager". Click on NEW and do the same as creating a template in the burning module.
After you make the template exit & back to the timeline.
Load an original video. Lets say you did edit the video and want to export to a new file.
You would goto "Share -> Create Video File" scroll to the bottom of the Listing and you will see the custom template you previous made.
This is useful for custom exporting or standard exporting.
No matter what video you are exporting from the VS11+ timeline when exporting and in the Saving section always look at the box on the lower left hand corner, those settings are the Encoder settings. It's good to always double check these settings. It's very easy to render a video reverse fielded or No_fielding (frame based). Since your source videos are fielded you always stay with fielded video "Upper Field First" (UFF)
Later I'll post some more. Because you are editing mpeg video there are some basic rules to try and follow.
I think your pretty much there thanks to all of 2Dogs previous posts this will all come together now.
I was going to ask some similar questions. I prepared this in notepad, some is redunant now but still pasting the post. I think we should know a little more about the Sony Motion Picture Browser, whether it re-coding the videos (I don't think so).
Sue,
2 things.
First I added more to the VS11+ burning module above post (edited that post). At the bottom are the instructions how to make templates in the burning module and then apply them as the "Project Settings" for the burning module.
I would print that out, it's a classic staple of how to work in the VS11+ Burning module. Not just for making DVD's, but also for HD-DVD/Blu-Ray/AVCHD/VCD/SVCD's.
The videos that are on your camcorder. When you access it via windows explorer as a drive letter. Do the videos already have a mpg extension to them?
Are they named File01.mpg, File02.mpg etc, or something else.
Can you directly edit them on the camcorder? Trim them down, cut out sections or split the videos. That would indicate the camcorder is recording in the -VR format. If that's the case you would then maybe see a main DVD_RTAV folder with some File01.VRO files.
If they are File01.mpg etc you should be able to copy them from the cams harddisk directly to your computer.
And one last question, when you use the software to transfer the videos does the software give you a choice of quality? This would require the video to be re-encoded or smartrendered to change the quality level. I would think the software simply performs a file copy and should go pretty fast.
First thing start a new VS11+ and learn how to make a custom template in the VS11+ timeline that you can use to export to.
Start VS11+, goto "Tools -> Make Movie Templates Manager". Click on NEW and do the same as creating a template in the burning module.
After you make the template exit & back to the timeline.
Load an original video. Lets say you did edit the video and want to export to a new file.
You would goto "Share -> Create Video File" scroll to the bottom of the Listing and you will see the custom template you previous made.
This is useful for custom exporting or standard exporting.
No matter what video you are exporting from the VS11+ timeline when exporting and in the Saving section always look at the box on the lower left hand corner, those settings are the Encoder settings. It's good to always double check these settings. It's very easy to render a video reverse fielded or No_fielding (frame based). Since your source videos are fielded you always stay with fielded video "Upper Field First" (UFF)
Later I'll post some more. Because you are editing mpeg video there are some basic rules to try and follow.
I think your pretty much there thanks to all of 2Dogs previous posts this will all come together now.