Does anyone here know if MSP8's tool set can author a Bly Ray format disc that can be burned on a DVD-R but play in a blu Ray machine as a "mini Blu Ray" disc with 4.7 gig of data?
My delima is with HDV and output format for Sony Playstation 3 - my Blu ray player.
It has several serious limitations - Divx HD plays but only up to 1 gig file size.... MPEG2 HDV plays up to 4 gig file size.... Dual Layer DVD+R do not seem to read the second layer because I tried an 8 gig MPEG HDV file and it freezes at the layer switch point (4.4 gig). The first 20 minutes or so play but not beyound that. PC playback works so I know it is the playstation limitation.
My thinking is that maybe a Blu Ray format DVD disc will not have these limits - just like a DVD uses 1 gig VOB files to store 8.5 gig MPEG2 data.
Any thoughts?
Rob
Authoring a Blu Ray compatible disc with MSP8 tools...
Authoring a Blu Ray compatible disc with MSP8 tools...
Athalon 64 X2 6400+, 1GIG DD2 PC6400, Asus M2NBP-VM CSM MB, ADS Pryo IEEE-1394, 260 Gig UDMA133 Hard Drive + 15 gig system drive, 18x DVDRW+/-, Windows XP SP2. 47" LCD HDTV / Monitor 1920x1080
AVCHD format "bluray minidisks" I think need to be authored with AVC (h.264 mpg4) compression file formats, and MSPro8 won't do those, at least at the HD profile levels (the iPod mpg4 plugin packs only do the ipod resolution profiles.) The built-in Movie Factory doesn't know how to author the correct format disks, either.
The solution is to use either VideoStudio11+ (and free hd power pack) or MovieFactory 6 (w/ the $20 hd pack), to get both the above.
I still like editing in MSPro8 better, so far an acceptable HDV workflow for me is to:
1. capture scene-split M2T files w/ HDVsplit (from my Canon HV10)
2. pull all the scenes into VS11+ (which will read/edit M2T files natively, if a bit slowly, with the HD powerpack)
3. do some VERY brief editing (dump or rough-trim junk scenes) in VS11+
(or, I can do full editing here if I want, depends)
4. Save out an HDV MPG file in the Share tab of VS11+ ("HDV for PC").
5. Open this MPEG file in MSPro8- note, here it DOES retain the scene-split info, from the rendered MPG file's matching UPD file! yay, SOME Ulead software cooperation finally! (haven't checked if it retains full chapter marks...)
6. Do all complex edits/effects in MSPro8, and render out to either HDV, M2T, or DVD-NTSC...
Now, for BluRay or HD dvd authoring, I need to take the resulting final edit (either in extended step 3 in VS11+ still, or from end of MSPro step8), and transcode to AVC/HD format file in VS11+.
This takes time, but surprisingly not that much more time than an NTSC-DVD transcode, on my quad-core at least! (compared to WMV-9 or VC1, which is horrendously slow.)
Then use VS11+ to author an AVCHD format disk (or, just copy the AVCHD files to a plain DVD and let PS3 play it).
I have not actually done the AVCHD disk authoring yet, since I'm still too cheap to buy a BD player
but it should work.
With AVCHD stronger compression, around 15Mbps, you should retain most all of your original HDV 25Mbps picture quality, but fit 1hr onto a DVD-9 disk.
Note that I was hoping to do this on HD-DVD format (while the players were cheap ), given that VS11+ supports authoring the similar "3xDVD" mini-hddvd standard... but, the HD-DVD players apparently only support MPG2 format compression on that format, meaning you get very little time on DVD-9 at the original 25Mbps bitrate (<40mins?)
To fit a full hour, you'd need to recompress to lower bitrate like 15Mbps, but you'd lose quality for that.
I'd rather retain full quality if I'm going to waste time re-encoding, so AVCHD looked like a better direction to me (and then BluRay won the format war, but not the price war yet, so...)
there's several threads on this on VS11+ forums, check there as well.
Some Tivo forums have a how-to also on how to author HD discs from HD tivo recordings as well, similar flow, but use VideoRedo suite etc to capture/edit the HD MPG2 to feed into VS11+/MF6.
The solution is to use either VideoStudio11+ (and free hd power pack) or MovieFactory 6 (w/ the $20 hd pack), to get both the above.
I still like editing in MSPro8 better, so far an acceptable HDV workflow for me is to:
1. capture scene-split M2T files w/ HDVsplit (from my Canon HV10)
2. pull all the scenes into VS11+ (which will read/edit M2T files natively, if a bit slowly, with the HD powerpack)
3. do some VERY brief editing (dump or rough-trim junk scenes) in VS11+
(or, I can do full editing here if I want, depends)
4. Save out an HDV MPG file in the Share tab of VS11+ ("HDV for PC").
5. Open this MPEG file in MSPro8- note, here it DOES retain the scene-split info, from the rendered MPG file's matching UPD file! yay, SOME Ulead software cooperation finally! (haven't checked if it retains full chapter marks...)
6. Do all complex edits/effects in MSPro8, and render out to either HDV, M2T, or DVD-NTSC...
Now, for BluRay or HD dvd authoring, I need to take the resulting final edit (either in extended step 3 in VS11+ still, or from end of MSPro step8), and transcode to AVC/HD format file in VS11+.
This takes time, but surprisingly not that much more time than an NTSC-DVD transcode, on my quad-core at least! (compared to WMV-9 or VC1, which is horrendously slow.)
Then use VS11+ to author an AVCHD format disk (or, just copy the AVCHD files to a plain DVD and let PS3 play it).
I have not actually done the AVCHD disk authoring yet, since I'm still too cheap to buy a BD player
but it should work.With AVCHD stronger compression, around 15Mbps, you should retain most all of your original HDV 25Mbps picture quality, but fit 1hr onto a DVD-9 disk.
Note that I was hoping to do this on HD-DVD format (while the players were cheap
), given that VS11+ supports authoring the similar "3xDVD" mini-hddvd standard... but, the HD-DVD players apparently only support MPG2 format compression on that format, meaning you get very little time on DVD-9 at the original 25Mbps bitrate (<40mins?)To fit a full hour, you'd need to recompress to lower bitrate like 15Mbps, but you'd lose quality for that.
I'd rather retain full quality if I'm going to waste time re-encoding, so AVCHD looked like a better direction to me (and then BluRay won the format war, but not the price war yet, so...)
there's several threads on this on VS11+ forums, check there as well.
Some Tivo forums have a how-to also on how to author HD discs from HD tivo recordings as well, similar flow, but use VideoRedo suite etc to capture/edit the HD MPG2 to feed into VS11+/MF6.
Thanks for the info though I may have found my answer...
The playstation 3 will play native HDV files and will play a full DVD 4.7 gig disc with 24 minutes on it at the full native 25 Mbit / second datarate.
I tried cheap dual layer discs - they did not work (Dynex from Best Buy) so I will try a name brand dual layer and see if I can get 40-45 minutes worth of native HDV playback. If so I am done and will use that format becasue I can't invinision a home movie longer than 30-40 minutes.
This also allows smart rendering and minimal quality loss.
Regards,
Rob
The playstation 3 will play native HDV files and will play a full DVD 4.7 gig disc with 24 minutes on it at the full native 25 Mbit / second datarate.
I tried cheap dual layer discs - they did not work (Dynex from Best Buy) so I will try a name brand dual layer and see if I can get 40-45 minutes worth of native HDV playback. If so I am done and will use that format becasue I can't invinision a home movie longer than 30-40 minutes.
This also allows smart rendering and minimal quality loss.
Regards,
Rob
Athalon 64 X2 6400+, 1GIG DD2 PC6400, Asus M2NBP-VM CSM MB, ADS Pryo IEEE-1394, 260 Gig UDMA133 Hard Drive + 15 gig system drive, 18x DVDRW+/-, Windows XP SP2. 47" LCD HDTV / Monitor 1920x1080
Thanks for the info though I may have found my answer...
The playstation 3 will play native HDV files and will play a full DVD 4.7 gig disc with 24 minutes on it at the full native 25 Mbit / second datarate.
I tried cheap dual layer discs - they did not work (Dynex from Best Buy) so I will try a name brand dual layer and see if I can get 40-45 minutes worth of native HDV playback. If so I am done and will use that format becasue I can't invinision a home movie longer than 30-40 minutes.
This also allows smart rendering and minimal quality loss.
Regards,
Rob
The playstation 3 will play native HDV files and will play a full DVD 4.7 gig disc with 24 minutes on it at the full native 25 Mbit / second datarate.
I tried cheap dual layer discs - they did not work (Dynex from Best Buy) so I will try a name brand dual layer and see if I can get 40-45 minutes worth of native HDV playback. If so I am done and will use that format becasue I can't invinision a home movie longer than 30-40 minutes.
This also allows smart rendering and minimal quality loss.
Regards,
Rob
Athalon 64 X2 6400+, 1GIG DD2 PC6400, Asus M2NBP-VM CSM MB, ADS Pryo IEEE-1394, 260 Gig UDMA133 Hard Drive + 15 gig system drive, 18x DVDRW+/-, Windows XP SP2. 47" LCD HDTV / Monitor 1920x1080