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Problems Using QuickTime Video With Product

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I purchased Ulead VideoStudio 11 to edit and produce Video Projects from my new HD Video Camera. The problem I am having is the output format of my camera is MPEG-4 in the style of "QuickTime Movie File" 720x480 24 Bit Resolution, Compression is mbarella AVC Encoder, 29.970 frames per second. The clips import and look correct in the library tray. I can even play the clips and they work correctly. However, once I place them into my project and attempt to build any output with these files they show a symptom where the video appears to be playing at half speed and the audio track appears to be chopped where every other second is heard and then skipped. Note that any other audio that is inserted into this project sounds correct. Just the source files from my camcorder are showing these corrupted symptoms. I have attempted changing the formats of the project to correct this issue and have attempted to change the play speed of the clips....but everything appears synced up at 29.97 frames per second. Am I missing a simple step or is there an update that I need for this project. My source for these files is the AIPTEK High Definition Camcorder.
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MPEG 4 files are very compressed video files.... usually not meant to be edited.
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Thanks for the Reply..

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As I stated earlier the newer CamCorders are starting to use MPeg-4 as a standard for output. They are much smaller then the current output and as a result take less space. Besides that fact. That is my dilemma. my camcorder outputs Mpeg4 and I either need to convert it to a different format or edit using MPEG4 as my source. I purchased this package in the belief that it supports this newer format.
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Aiptek have typically made some very low end camcorders. In some ways they were advanced - recording to SD cards rather than to tape or a hard drive, but giving pretty sketchy results.

Circuit City seem to be selling them, so I'm sure that we'll be getting more posts about editing their video.

The Aiptek range includes models that shoot 720p video - that might be 1280 x720. The 720 x 480 that you mention would be considered standard definition.

Perhaps you could fill in your system info in your profile and give us the model number of your Aiptek.

It may well be that in order to successfully edit the video, you will have to convert it to an editable format - such as mpeg2. Video studio will allow you to create mpeg2 files in SD - i.e. 720x480, 720p - i.e. 960x720 or 1280x720 and full HD, 1440x1080 or 1920x1080.

It will take quite a bit of pc processing power to convert the higher definition video.

If your footage is 720x480, you should be able to make a regular DVD.

For the higher resolutions, you could convert the video to standard resolution to make a regular DVD, or maintain the higher resolution and burn to an HD-DVD (using standard blank DVD media) for playback on an HD-DVD player or maybe a PS3.

So which Aiptek do you have and what do you want to do with the footage?
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My Specification for My Camcorder

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Thanks for the information...

The type of CamCorder is an AIPTEK HD-DV Camcorder Model V5V.

8 Mega-pixel Resolution for Camera.

For Video, it supports three formats:
HD (1280x720) @30fps
D1 (720x480) @ 30fps
CIF (352x240) @ 30fps

I am using the D1 format because I do wish to master as a standard DVD format.

For Video, the standard output format is MOV.
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Right, that's cleared up a few things and you're taking a realistic approach.

From my own experience of trying to edit video files from digital cameras, I know that there can be some issues. In order to be able to deal with the mjpeg compressed .mov files from my Panasonic cameras, I had to apply the VS11 patches to fix an audio problem. Even then, the program takes longer to deal with the files than with, say mpeg2. For example, when I click on a thumbnail in the library to drag it to the timeline, it takes a few seconds for it to "take", whereas with an meg2 clip it would be virtually instantaneous.

Even after all the patches, I found that using a freeware program to put the video into an avi package helped, from a tip from bsuthers on this forum.

http://sourceforge.net/projects/mp4cam2avi

The program doesn't re-encode the video, it just puts it into an avi package and you might just find that VS deals with it a little better. Since it doesn't re-encode the video, it shouldn't take too long to process your clips. You might try working with a test clip to see if it helps.
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Thanks 2Dogs.....

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Thanks for the advice...Downloaded the freeware and it looks like it should work. Took a simple 27 second clip and submitted to the program and it ran through just fine in batch mode. Settings were as follows:

File List Mode
Conversion Log
Action: Convert & Join(Many -> OneAVI)
Video Format: Source Video(No Recompression)
Audio Format: Lame MP3 High Quality.

The output file when executed only had Audio with no video. Further, VS des not recogize the file as a legitimate file.

I then did further investigation and determined maybe I did not have the correct Video CODECs installed. Went to http://www.divx.com/ and installed the DiVX codec. Still did not work. Sent to http://www.xvid.org/ and installed the XVid codec. Still no luck...Anyone with other ideas.....I may try one more thing in a little....will see if I have any luck.
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Are you sure the file output only had audio? An easy way to confirm this would be to compare the file size of the original clip with the converted output. You'd expect them to be roughly similar, possibly a bit larger for the converted file if you use a higher sampling rate for the audio.

If there is indeed no video, the converted file should be significantly smaller.

If the file sizes are similar, I would then suspect that it was a codec issue. You could try downloading and installing ffdshow - a freeware open source package, not to be confused with things such as the klite codec pack.

http://sourceforge.net/projects/ffdshow

Having installed ffdshow, you might find that you can successfully play the video, which could be the first step in sorting it out.

ffdshow is also straightforward to uninstall.
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Thanks again for your quick response....let me see if I can give you updates on several of your last questions.

1. When I did use Mp4cam2avi it did build a file that was slightly larger then the original file that was submitted. When I accessed that file and played it through my media player, my media player could only output the audio portion of the file.

2. When I used the output from the build from Step 1 above and submitted to VS(Video Studio 11) it would not recognize the video as a legal AVI file.

3. I then went to the the indicated location for ffdshow and downloaded the codec from their site. I then rebuilt the output file using Mp4cam2avi after closing and restarting that software to ensure if that codec was used it would be active. No change was noticed and the same results indicated above were seen.

4. Last I selected to download a utility called avs4you from the website http://www.avs4you.com. It is a trial version and I attempted to rebuild my AVI file one more time. This time the output looked good and worked on both my media player and on VS. The only downside for me at this time is that the utility is $59.00.....I think with all I have gone through so far I might jump at this but I am still open to finding a better solution. The key for me now is that I have at least found one way to get from point A to point B.

Any further thoughts on this?
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File List Mode
Conversion Log
Action: Convert & Join(Many -> OneAVI)
Video Format: Source Video(No Recompression)
Audio Format: Lame MP3 High Quality.

The output file when executed only had Audio with no video. Further, VS des not recogize the file as a legitimate file.
VS sometimes has problems with MP3s. Can it convert your video using a differenct audio type? I don't know if this will fix your problem. :roll:
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I wouldn't jump in and shell out $60 just yet!

It's entirely possible that you could find another freeware program that would work too.

Does avs4you convert the video in any way? You'd know that was the case if processing the video files took a significant amount of time. Re-encoding h.264 takes a lot of pc resources.

Do you know of any sample video files from the Aiptek posted anywhere online? When buying a digital camera for my daughter, for whom the camera video capability and subsequent video editing was important, I found it very useful to be able to try out test video editing on some sample clips from camera review sites. (and I eventually went for a camera that featured a less compressed format)

It sounds to me like Mp4Cam2avi did produce a video file with audio, at least judging from the size. Not sure what media player you tried playing it with - I tend to use the freeware Media Player Classic. In that, in the options settings, you can choose different internal and external filters which might enable playback of the video clip.

Even so, that still leaves the problem of VS not recognising the file. Having installed ffdshow, are you prompted to use ffdshow when you open VS?

ffdshow also has a video decoder configuration utility. You can run that, and see what is set for H.264/AVC, usually at the top of the listings. It might show "disabled" or "libavcodec", and you could experiment with those two settings to see if they made any difference. They might at least allow playback of the video file in a media player.

Another filter which might be useful is the Haali Media Splitter, which is a freeware DirectShow splitter for MKV (matroska) .MP4 and .AVI.

http://haali.cs.***/mkv/

I also notice that in their blurb, Aiptek suggest using Windows Movie Maker - so it would be worth seeing if you get the same kind of problems with that, which might confirm a codec issue.
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I will answer each of your points as addressed from your previous post...

1. Does avs4you convert the video in any way?
MYANSWER> Yes...The avs4You does take a little time as it crunches the file into a new format.

2. Do you know of any sample video files from the Aiptek posted anywhere online?
MYANSWER> No....I am not sure I understand what you mean. I have already purchased the Aiptek Camera. Since I have the camera I need to find a resource to convert these files.

3. It sounds to me like Mp4Cam2avi did produce a video file with audio, at least judging from the size. Not sure what media player you tried playing it with - I tend to use the freeware Media Player Classic. In that, in the options settings, you can choose different internal and external filters which might enable playback of the video clip.
MYANSWER> I am using Creative Media Source Version 3.30.35. This package came with Creative Zen Media Player I purchased. In reference to "Media Player Classic"(MPC) I downloaded Version 6.4.9.0 and attempted to read a file converted by Mp4cam2avi. The following was given as a warning by MPC:

H:\Video Work\Davids Birthday 2008\Test1.avi::Video 0

Media Type 0:
--------------------------
Video: MPEG4 Video (H264) 720x480 29.97fps 2017Kbps

AM_MEDIA_TYPE:
majortype: MEDIATYPE_Video {73646976-0000-0010-8000-00AA00389B71}
subtype: Unknown GUID Name {34363248-0000-0010-8000-00AA00389B71}
formattype: FORMAT_VideoInfo {05589F80-C356-11CE-BF01-00AA0055595A}
bFixedSizeSamples: 1
bTemporalCompression: 0
lSampleSize: 70320
cbFormat: 88

VIDEOINFOHEADER:
rcSource: (0,0)-(0,0)
rcTarget: (0,0)-(0,0)
dwBitRate: 2017046
dwBitErrorRate: 0
AvgTimePerFrame: 333666

BITMAPINFOHEADER:
biSize: 40
biWidth: 720
biHeight: 480
biPlanes: 1
biBitCount: 24
biCompression: H264
biSizeImage: 921600
biXPelsPerMeter: 0
biYPelsPerMeter: 0
biYPelsPerMeter: 0
biClrUsed: 0
biClrImportant: 0

pbFormat:
0000: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ................
0010: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ................
0020: 16 c7 1e 00 00 00 00 00 62 17 05 00 00 00 00 00 .Ç......b.......
0030: 28 00 00 00 d0 02 00 00 e0 01 00 00 01 00 18 00 (...Ð...à.......
0040: 48 32 36 34 00 10 0e 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 H264............
0050: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ........


And when MPC executes it also has trouble displaying the video. However, MPC has no trouble processing the original MOV file that was used to build the output by Mp4cam2avi. My thoughts are that Mp4Cam2avi is getting confused somehow with the format of my MOV file and MPC is not....Could this be a bug with the Mp4Cam2avi?

4. I also notice that in their blurb, Aiptek suggest using Windows Movie Maker - so it would be worth seeing if you get the same kind of problems with that, which might confirm a codec issue.
MYANSWER> Windows Movie Maker does not support MOV. At least in when I tried to import the MOV it would not give me the option of importing those files before they were converted. I attempted to download the AVI built by avs4you into Movie Maker and the file transfered no problem. The file built by Mp4cam2avi got the following message when I attempted a transfer:

H:\Video Work\Davids Birthday 2008\Test1.avi could not be imported. The required codec was not downloaded automatically because the Download codecs automatically check box is not selected in the Options dialog box.

I then selected the indicated option and then attempted to import the file again. I then got this message:

The file H:\Video Work\Davids Birthday 2008\Test1.avi cannot be imported because the codec required to play the file is not installed on your computer. If you have already tried to download and install the codec, close and restart Windows Movie Maker, and then try to import the file again.

I shutdown the program and then restarted the program. I then attempted to import file one more time. I got the above message again.

Thanks again for your information and feedback. I will try any further operations if you wish.
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The reason I asked about sample Aiptek video files posted somewhere online was so that I could download one and see if I could get it to work on my own system. Sorry, the story of my daughter's camera probably obfuscated my point!

I tried to record some video on a similar unit at my local Circuit City, but was prevented from doing so by two things - first of all, the display camera wasn't hooked up to a power source, and then the security device to which it was attached also prevented me inserting my SD card. I might try again and see if I can find a helpful sales assistant, but don't expect much there.

If you like, you could PM me and I'd be happy to give you an email address to which you could send a sample clip - although my ISP limits attachments to 10MB.

Other than that, at least Media Player Classic has given a little more info. It seems to recognise the format but maybe lacks the required filters.

Did you try installing ffdshow and the Haali Media Splitter? As I said, ffdshow uninstalls cleanly, so you needn't worry about messing things up - but you could always make a fresh Windows System Restore point first if you wanted to take a cautious approach.


Going back to your original post, you reported problems when you "attempt to build any output". Did you actually try encoding any of the clips or your whole project to an mpeg2 file? If so, did the resulting file play OK, or were there audio or video issues? I think it would be hard for VS to render the clips to another H.264 file, but maybe more likely to succeed with mpeg2.
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Thanks 2Dogs.....

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I would be happy to send you a sample of this data for your use in investigating this problem.

In reference to your later questions.....Yes I did try both ffdshow and Haali Medi Splitter with no luck and the same results from Mp4cam2avi. Only audio and MPC(Media Player Classic) does not like the format and gives the following message:

H:\Video Work\Davids Birthday 2008\VideoOut.avi::Video 0

Media Type 0:
--------------------------
Video: MPEG4 Video (H264) 720x480 29.97fps 2017Kbps

AM_MEDIA_TYPE:
majortype: MEDIATYPE_Video {73646976-0000-0010-8000-00AA00389B71}
subtype: Unknown GUID Name {34363248-0000-0010-8000-00AA00389B71}
formattype: FORMAT_VideoInfo {05589F80-C356-11CE-BF01-00AA0055595A}
bFixedSizeSamples: 1
bTemporalCompression: 0
lSampleSize: 70320
cbFormat: 88

VIDEOINFOHEADER:
rcSource: (0,0)-(0,0)
rcTarget: (0,0)-(0,0)
dwBitRate: 2017046
dwBitErrorRate: 0
AvgTimePerFrame: 333666

BITMAPINFOHEADER:
biSize: 40
biWidth: 720
biHeight: 480
biPlanes: 1
biBitCount: 24
biCompression: H264
biSizeImage: 921600
biXPelsPerMeter: 0
biYPelsPerMeter: 0
biYPelsPerMeter: 0
biClrUsed: 0
biClrImportant: 0

pbFormat:
0000: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ................
0010: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ................
0020: 16 c7 1e 00 00 00 00 00 62 17 05 00 00 00 00 00 .Ç......b.......
0030: 28 00 00 00 d0 02 00 00 e0 01 00 00 01 00 18 00 (...Ð...à.......
0040: 48 32 36 34 00 10 0e 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 H264............
0050: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ........

In reference to VS, I hae attempted to build a simple project based on a 25 second clip of video and have seen a very jerky response from the program. The video appears to be playing at a slower rate and the audio is clipped....Note this is using the MOV files. VS will not accept any of the AVIs built by Mp4cam2avi.
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Re: Thanks 2Dogs.....

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rpruitt76 wrote:In reference to VS, I have attempted to build a simple project based on a 25 second clip of video and have seen a very jerky response from the program. The video appears to be playing at a slower rate and the audio is clipped....
Don't confuse what you might see in the VS preview window with the results you might get from playing back the (lets assume mpeg2) VS output file in a media player program. Have you actually created a test mpeg2 output file from any of your clips?
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