VS11.5 All Audio tracks merged after creating video file

[William]

After I did an edit and added a music track then created a Video file I did not like the music after burning a DVD. So! I went back to edit and opened the .vsp file of the clip and tried to redo the music track.
However when I removed the music track it also removed all of the original video track audio and I have not been able to separate the tracks at all.
Original was from a Sony HDR HC5 captured as MPEG 2 direct using Movie wizard for capture and then editing in VS Editor. used MPEG Optimiser when creating video file.
OS is Vista Ultimate Is there a way to split the tracks again or a way to keep the tracks separate when Creating video File

[Black Lab]

From your vsp, if you right click on the video clip and choose Split Audio that does not put the audio into the audio track? Note that the audio track, directly below said video clip, would have to be empty.

The original audio that you did not like, was that audio you added or was it on the video?

[William]

From your vsp, if you right click on the video clip and choose Split Audio that does not put the audio into the audio track? Note that the audio track, directly below said video clip, would have to be empty.
yes it does put the audio onto the music track. but it would seem that the original audio has been merged with the music all into the same track. hence as i said, if I remove the 'music' track it also removes all of the original audio

The original audio that you did not like, was that audio you added or was it on the video?

It was audio that I added into the music track

[Black Lab]

When you added the audio track did you mute the video track's audio?

Also, you did not answer my question regarding splitting the audio.

[Ron P.]

I don't see how the program would remove the audio from the video track, since it is mixed in. DV video captured as DV Type-2 would have a separate audio stream, however MPEG would not. Did you split the audio from the video track?
This would place the video's audio onto the music or narration track. If you placed music on the same track and then decided to remove all the audio, I can see where the split-off audio would be removed. However you can not place and different audio clips ontop of each other.

Did you over-right the video files that you used to create your project? For example, if you were using a video clip, let's call it Vaction.mpg, and after editing you created in the share step, a video file in the same folder as your source clip, and named it the same as your source, then your source video clip would be over-written with your new video file.

So now re-opening your project file (vsp) the clips used in that project would need to be re-linked. I would be surprised that VS allowed this, since the file size would be different. However if it were allowed, then your source clips on the time-line would have all the audio mixed into one track. Following me??

When you go to Share>Create Video File, the program creates a new video file, where it mixes everything in your project together. It just uses the source clips, as to the portions needed, placing cuts, transitions, the addition of titles, effects, music and narration. The source should remain intact, untouched. So if you saved your project (File Save, Save As, or you selected "yes" when closing the editor, to if you want to save changes made to your project, when re-opened all the tracks should be as you left them.

[William]

[quote="Black Lab"]When you added the audio track did you mute the video track's audio?
NO> I did not mute it

Also, you did not answer my question regarding splitting the audio
Yes I did use Split audio which then put the audio onto the empty track below and there was then no split audio shown on the top(video ) track as it does when doing the original edit

[Black Lab]

I'm a little confused. You say you split the audio, but you also say you added audio to the audio track. What did you do with the audio that was split from the video track? Did you delete it, or leave it in the audio track?

When you split audio from the video track it simply mutes the video track and moves the audio to the audio track. Unmuting the video track will restore the video clips audio.

[William]

I don't see how the program would remove the audio from the video track, since it is mixed in. DV video captured as DV Type-2 would have a separate audio stream, however MPEG would not. Did you split the audio from the video track?
This would place the video's audio onto the music or narration track. If you placed music on the same track and then decided to remove all the audio, I can see where the split-off audio would be removed. However you can not place and different audio clips ontop of each other.

Did you over-right the video files that you used to create your project? For example, if you were using a video clip, let's call it Vaction.mpg, and after editing you created in the share step, a video file in the same folder as your source clip, and named it the same as your source, then your source video clip would be over-written with your new video file.

So now re-opening your project file (vsp) the clips used in that project would need to be re-linked. I would be surprised that VS allowed this, since the file size would be different. However if it were allowed, then your source clips on the time-line would have all the audio mixed into one track. Following me??
Must admit! All the exact operations of the computer do confuse me with the editing operation.
When I did the original edit the original audio was in the video track on the time line. It also showed the wave form of it.
I then added music to the music track and it was all merged on the .vsp clip which I tried to reedit. there was then no audio shown on the top video track even though the green line which I assume is the volume rubber band was still shown in the video track. the volume line was also shown in the separate music track during the reedit.


When you go to Share>Create Video File, the program creates a new video file, where it mixes everything in your project together. It just uses the source clips, as to the portions needed, placing cuts, transitions, the addition of titles, effects, music and narration. The source should remain intact, untouched. So if you saved your project (File Save, Save As, or you selected "yes" when closing the editor, to if you want to save changes made to your project, when re-opened all the tracks should be as you left them.

I did not save from the edit stage. Only from the share stage after creating video file.
I will try to open a file whic is still the original source file but then it would be the unedited version I assume??
Hope you are able to grasp what I am saying. It is getting a bit complex

[Black Lab]

I did not save from the edit stage. Only from the share stage after creating video file.
I will try to open a file whic is still the original source file but then it would be the unedited version I assume??

If you saved your vsp before creating the video file then when you re-open the vsp all your clips should still be there.

If you did not save the vsp then yes, you will have to start over with the original source files.

[William]

I'm a little confused. You say you split the audio, but you also say you added audio to the audio track. What did you do with the audio that was split from the video track? Did you delete it, or leave it in the audio track?

When you split audio from the video track it simply mutes the video track and moves the audio to the audio track. Unmuting the video track will restore the video clips audio.

From memory ... When starting the edit from the original footage and I Click 'Split Audio' I get a audio track as part of the video track and the music and other audio tracks are empty.
I then add music to the music track and when I do a preview both trackS play viz original audio from the camera and added music. BUt the trACKS
are still displayed separately.
It is only after openg it as a vsp file that ther is only one audio track displayed and it appears in thge music track with noe audio track displayed as previously in the video track

[William]

I did not save from the edit stage. Only from the share stage after creating video file.
I will try to open a file whic is still the original source file but then it would be the unedited version I assume??

If you saved your vsp before creating the video file then when you re-open the vsp all your clips should still be there.

If you did not save the vsp then yes, you will have to start over with the original source files. :cry:

jeff' I think your last 2 paragraphs are the solution.
I will try that tomorrow. It is now midnight here and Missus is reminding me that it is bedtime.
Thanks . Will advise the results tomorrow
Rgds

[Black Lab]

Please let us know how it goes.

[William]

Please let us know how it goes.

Today I went back to source file and did a small clip. In edit stage I
> Split Audio which then gave a audio bar in the top track with the Video along with the waveform for the audio.
All other tracks empty.
then added music to the music track. In preview
got the music and the original audio from the camera.
tHEN MUTED THE Video track and only music played back.
Muted Music track and opened Video audio and got only original audio.
Which is all as it should be.
then 'Saved' the clip. And when the saved .vsp file was opened as above, all the audio was merged into one track and muting tracks separely had no effect except that if the track with the audio bar was muted all audio disappeared in replay. And also if that track was deleted all audio including original camera audio was gone.
Which brings me back to my original problem.
I cannot separate audio tracks after 'saving' at any stage
Rgds
Bill
PS Thanks to both of you for the time spent with me last nite

[Black Lab]

then 'Saved' the clip.

What do you mean by that? Did you render the clip to a video file? Or did you simply save the project (vsp)?

[William]

then 'Saved' the clip.

What do you mean by that? Did you render the clip to a video file? Or did you simply save the project (vsp)?

Did not render.Just saved from the edit function.
Outcome would appear to be the same as when I rendered to a video file.
Rgds
Bill