Unable to capture DV video in VS11+

zipdrive · Post by **zipdrive** » Wed Jan 30, 2008 9:04 pm

imjay, what kind of camera do you have?

Brand and Model Number?

I'd be curious to see if your camera is recognizable in 11 as well.

Thanks,
Zip

MIB · Post by **MIB** » Thu Jan 31, 2008 8:14 am

I have read this thread and have encontered the same situation as zipdrive. I have 2 video cameras that both worked well with VS10 but do not work with VS11 with all of the updates and patches. The cameras I have are an old Sony TRV-103, which is on the compatibility list, and a Canon HV10. FYI, I am running VISTA Ultimate 64 bit on an AMD dual core PC and have no problems capturing video from my cameras using Windows Movie Maker. As a long term VS user through many of the version, it does disappoint me that a product I really like can no longer do what a free application provided with the Windows OS can do with respect to capturing video using my cameras.

Post by **Ron P.** » Thu Jan 31, 2008 11:41 am

MIB,
I have no problems capturing with VS11+ using my DCR-TRV120, which is not listed on the compatibility list, and is in reality just a newer DCR-TRV103. You could place the 2 camcorders beside each other and not tell the difference.

I have Vista Home Premium on a laptop that has no means to capture, or I would be able to confirm that it must be an issue with Vista. I can capture on my XP Home SP2 machine.

I'd say this issue is something about VS on a Vista machine, than just VS. Is your version of VS10+ on XP or Vista?

Post by **Ken Berry** » Thu Jan 31, 2008 12:37 pm

VS11 without the 6 November update patch will not be able to capture from your Sony if you are playing back an analogue tape in it and trying to capture that via firewire; or if you have an analogue device (analogue video camera or vcr) attached to it via an AV cable, to use it as a passthrough device. There was a bug in VS 11 which was partially corrected by the 6 November patch. You can now use the Digital 8s as a passthrough device, but still not when playing an analogue tape in it. (Like Ron, I know from hard experience as I have a Sony Digital 8 SCR-TRV480E... which is only two years old.)

As for your HV10, are you talking about capturing standard definition DV from it? Or did you film using high definition HDV format (which is really mpeg-2)? It should have been able to do either, though I am not sure what might have happened if you filmed in HD format but tried to download that as standard definition. In any case, there is a further Hot Pack of 8 November which added extra functionality to VS11+ in the high def stakes...

zipdrive · Post by **zipdrive** » Thu Jan 31, 2008 4:10 pm

Ken,

I'm assuming when you are referring to analog capture, you're talking about someone using a Hi 8 tape in a Digital 8 camera? I thought I heard you mention the same with miniDV, but I don't see how thats possible since those are digital tapes and I don't know of any analog camera that could use those tapes. I could have misunderstood you on some of your previous posts so forgive me if I misquoted you.

Thanks,
Zip

skier-hughes · Post by **skier-hughes** » Thu Jan 31, 2008 5:47 pm

imjay wrote:I thought DV was developed as a standard by a Standards Group for Digital Video and that if a device, like a camcorder, is DV compliant then shouldn't the DV output from one camcorder be the same recognizable format as any other DV camcorder???

If other applications recognize it as DV shouldn't version eleven?

Jim

Firewire was developed by Apple.
Sold to IEEE for a very small sum
Became IEEE1394a - Firewire
IEEE1394b is now the correct name for Firewire 800, the faster version of firewire which is also now known as firewire 400.
There is a firewire 100.
Firewire connections are 4 pin and 6 pin for IEEE1394a and 9 pin for IEEE1394b

Every manufacturer makes there products to suit themselves, and don't striclty follow the IEEE guidlines. Sony are so far removed that they named their's i-link. Canon were also very poor in their earlier models, JVC weren't very good either.

This didn't matter too much as Microsoft weren't too hot on following the IEEE standard anyway, and they supplied the firewire driver for your pc, so as everyone used differing mechanisms, but they all worked together, everyone was happy.

Problems came about when you tried to connect some camcorders to Mac's, as they were pretty hot on following the correct standard.

Then followed Microsoft, with SP2 they tightened up their compliance, so soon afterwards people found their camcorders wouldn't work properly, with Canon models being hardest hit.

Of course everyone blamded Microsoft, but if Canon had followed the guidelines then when MS implemented them there wouldn't have been a problem.

Post by **Ken Berry** » Thu Jan 31, 2008 10:00 pm

Zipdrive -- yes, I was only ever referring to a problem with capturing analogue source material via firewire (mini DV camera, without cassette in it, used as passthrough; external Firewire capture device; Sony Digital 8 camera either used as passthrough or actually planing an *analogue* 8mm or Hi8 cassette). Never ever suggested the problem also occurred with mini DV cassettes which as you say, are digital already.

zipdrive · Post by **zipdrive** » Thu Jan 31, 2008 11:51 pm

yes Ken, I agree with you 100% on that simply for the fact I tried a passthru with my miniDV with a Hi8 camera.... what a disaster. Capturing would just stop after about 15 seconds.

Zip

etech6355 · Post by **etech6355** » Fri Feb 01, 2008 4:30 am

It's really something how windows machine's all differ from one another.
The one thing windows computers do have in common is problems.

It sounds like your using the trial version (or the original released) version of VS11+ to capture. Just wondering if the capturing modules are being updated.

Running Vista Home Premium and VS11+ with all the patches I just captured a full DV tape and real time conversion to mpeg2 @ 9500VBR Dolby 5.1@448kbs.

The file ended up being 4.173 gigs, No buffer popups at all. A complete real time transfer of DV -> Mpeg2 . Cpu usage was approx 27% (wasn't even using all 4 processors, mainly 2 cpu's).

This doesn't solve your problem but it's good to know the software does work on other computers.

zipdrive · Post by **zipdrive** » Sat Feb 02, 2008 7:53 am

well, for the record, I am not using a trial version, its a full version 11+, and I believe in my case that the camera is simply not supported in this version. We can talk about IEEE standards and Steve Job's standards til the cows come home, but its not going to change the fact that capturing was possible in one version and not another, from an end-user's standpoint. Everybody's settings are different, but I highly doubt anyone that is having this particular issue is going to make drastic changes in order to accommodate Corel, especially if there are other alternatives (capturing anyway).

Zip

etech6355 · Post by **etech6355** » Sat Feb 02, 2008 4:10 pm

zipdrive,
With your dv cam plugged in and VS11+ open.
Stay in the Edit mode (timeline mode).
Goto "Tools -> Select Device Control"

In the "Current Device" Dropdown box select "MS 1394"
VS performs a call to the windows interface and should pickup your cam.
IF VS picks up your cam you can then click on the "Options" Icon.
Another screen will popup, at the top says "Active Device" with dropdown box".
If you have gotten this far click on the "Active Device" dropdown box and your cam should be listed.

Many times, if you have previously connected another cam there will be more than one selection under the "Active Device" and you have to activate this manually. This may occur on my systems if I have more than one DV cam or previously used a different DV cam.

When you perform the above after selecting "MS 1394" under the "Current Device" (1st Screen), then VS is not picking up any cams through the windows interface.
If it does pickup the cam then you can then click on the Options and select your cam under the "Active Device" dropdown box.

Depending on your firewire card you may have to use the "TI 1394" instead of the "MS 1394" OR there may be another driver listed such as "HDV" if you have a HighDef Camcorder.

I've come across when I've had to manually assign the "Active Device" to my JVC cam after using a Panasonic cam on the same computer.

I think you can also do this in the Capture screen although I recommend doing it in from the timeline, then go into the capturing screen.

zipdrive · Post by **zipdrive** » Sun Feb 03, 2008 1:48 am

as mentioned in a previous post by another user, I can see Sony as the active device in the options tab, however, even with your suggestions, it still does not pick up the camcorder for capture. If someone had a DCR-PC9 or a DCR-PC10 (relatively similiar), then posted back what they have encountered, then maybe we would have a trend and possibly a fix.

Thanks,
Zip

etech6355 · Post by **etech6355** » Sun Feb 03, 2008 3:22 am

OK, I would just make sure in the selection does say Sony to click on that dropdown box and make sure there isn't another camcorder listed, like a double or Sony-2.

zipdrive · Post by **zipdrive** » Sun Feb 03, 2008 6:17 pm

its the only option, no other options in the drop down box.

Zip

cgould · Post by **cgould** » Sun Feb 03, 2008 7:08 pm

Ken Berry wrote:VS11 without the 6 November update patch will not be able to capture from your Sony if you are playing back an analogue tape in it and trying to capture that via firewire; or if you have an analogue device (analogue video camera or vcr) attached to it via an AV cable, to use it as a passthrough device. There was a bug in VS 11 which was partially corrected by the 6 November patch. You can now use the Digital 8s as a passthrough device, but still not when playing an analogue tape in it. (Like Ron, I know from hard experience as I have a Sony Digital 8 SCR-TRV480E... which is only two years old.)

As for your HV10, are you talking about capturing standard definition DV from it? Or did you film using high definition HDV format (which is really mpeg-2)? It should have been able to do either, though I am not sure what might have happened if you filmed in HD format but tried to download that as standard definition. In any case, there is a further Hot Pack of 8 November which added extra functionality to VS11+ in the high def stakes...

VS11+ w/ HD powerpack seems to work decently with my Canon HV10 HDV capture. It still doesn't do scene splits , but...
I also capture HDV with HDVSplit (free, does scene splits to separate M2T files), and VS11+ w/ the latest HD patch will now read/edit & work with M2T files directly, if slowly. I've captured the HV10 w/ DV-Lock mode on (downgrading in the camera) but I've only done that w/ MSPro8 not VS11+..

one glitch is that now I can't seem to capture from the HV10 HDV mode in MSPro8 anymore, perhaps VS11+ install corrupted that. Annoying but I need to research more.

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Unable to capture DV video in VS11+

What kind of camera do you have