Unable to capture DV video in VS11+

[2Dogs]

And instead of waiting for Corel/Ulead to look into the issue, try another camcorder hooked up to your pc running VS11. You surely have some friends with camcorders, don't you?

I've certainly never had any dropped frames with WinDV, and I've used it successfully even on a laptop with a slow 4200 rpm drive. It would be hard to imagine there being a program better at doing its one primary function than WinDV, and simply because it's free doesn't mean it's defective or in any way inferior.

Remember, all pc's are different. There is simply an unlimited number of ways in which a user can ***k them up, and the vast majority of problems relate to some sort of mis-configuration. You can only be certain of resolving things by being thorough and methodical, otherwise it comes down to chance.

[zipdrive]

I am the only one the owns a miniDV camcorder, I wish you would drop the "other camcorder" theory, I think chances are very good that a different camcorder would be seen, this is strictly for the DCR-PC9, it does me no good to know that another camcorder works, it does tell me that Corel did not import over previous drivers from their other suites to 11. I don't care about another camcorder, only mine, and it was working with 10, so anything suggested about trying another camcorder is futal b/c if it works in an OLDER VERSION of the SAME SOFTWARE, then something besides my system and configs must be causing the issue. It makes no sense to assume the user's pc and camcorder are at fault when the problem does not exist in previous versions and I'm getting tired of expressing this. I'm trying not to be hateful here but when I keep getting the same advice over and over again, it gets ridiculous, but I do appreciate others comments and suggestions (minus the "it's your system, not the program" bit). Sorry if I have offended anyone that have been posting suggestions to me.

Thanks,
Zip

[Ron P.]

Sorry we're pointing out the most obvious, whether you accept that or not is up to you. Why we feel it is not with the program and more with your camcorder, or hardware on your PC, is because countless numbers use the program, capturing DV via firewire, without problems. Hence not the program at fault. If you choose not to accept that, so be it.

It probably worked with VS10 due to the capture plug-in. That was changed in VS11 by Intervideo to the IVI capture plug-in. Right out of the box, it posed problems, most have been corrected with the update patch. That and the Vista compatibility are the only differences between versions. Since you see fit to tell those that are trying to provide some means of help, to stop because you seem to think you know why, I would say then please tell us, so that we, and all the other members why VS11+ is causing you this problem. If you knew you wouldn't be here asking...

If you feel it is related to your model of camcorder only, sorry can't buy that. It uses no different means than the one I use. I stated before, that it is not much different. Firewire, is Firewire, same with DV. Don't hold your breath for Corel to produce a patch for an older camcorder, when the current "hot" market products are all Hi-Def, and the AVCHD, h.264.

I don't mean to appear hateful, and I'm not. But please don't tell any or all the volunteers on this board to stop doing this or that!! That gets under my skin big time!!!!!

[2Dogs]

You don't have to worry about offending me with your posts - after all, I have the easy choice of not bothering to post any more. I have to deal with much tougher stuff in my work.

I think chances are very good that a different camcorder would be seen, this is strictly for the DCR-PC9, it does me no good to know that another camcorder works

This is the bit that makes no sense. On what basis do you think that another camcorder might work, and is not worth trying? I can appreciate that you may have no option to try one, if you have no friends that own one - but when another camcorder did not work, in the same way that yours doesn't, it would clearly show a problem with the installation. The fact that you managed to get dropped frames with WinDV also suggest a problem with your configuration. Perhaps you just don't want to face that possibility, and it's easier to take cheap shots at Corel/Ulead.

[zipdrive]

well I have tried every avenue suggested, except for your 'use another camcorder', sorry but I don't have that luxury... I am the only one that has purchased a camcorder in the last 6 years. The only other camcorder option I have is a High 8 and that's iLink-less. I do find it interesting on vidoman's comment about the change from InterVideo, but why are you (vidoman) so quick to defend Corel when I have explained that it was working in 10. Like I said, I'm ok with using the 2 programs for now and I will probably give WinDV one more try with some newer video extractions. Sorry for getting under your skin there vido.. no offense.

Thanks,
Zip

[zipdrive]

well I attempted to load VS11 on my laptop which has 2gigs of memory and an intel duo core and ended up getting the same outcome, no detection. Did load the patches but no dice? I did retry WinDV with much better success this time around. I saw where Ken mentioned if you do not want it to cut the avi off during a different scene you had to fool with the frame size... I'll just go back re-read that part. It does seem to do a good capturing job.

Thanks,
Zip

[zipdrive]

ok, a windv question, I don't see split by scene as an option in the config of the program.. any idea on what I need to set to prevent it from making an avi after a scene?

Thanks,
Zip

[2Dogs]

In WinDV, click on the "Config..." button. Make sure that the type-1 AVI (iavs) radio buton is checked. to the right, at the centre, you will see a box specifying "Max AVI size (frames). On my install, this is set to 22500 by default, which in NTSC at 29.97 frames per second amounts to just 12 1/2 minutes. For an hour, you would need to set it to about 107900.

Although you can't split by scene in WinDV, it's still possible to split the captured avi file into scenes when you import it into VS by clicking on the "Scenes" button in the Open Video File dialogue box, which in turn will open the "Scenes" window, in which you can split or combine as needed.

[zipdrive]

well WinDV does what is says but it lacks in 2 categories that are relatively important to me:

1. It does not like network drives... that is where my dropping frame problem was happening. I've now decided to use Nero Vision for capturing which seems to do an even better job than VS (or 10 anyway), especially when controlling the camera.

2. On the controlling note, it would be nice if the program had actual camera controls such as rewind and play instead of a checkbox to start the camcorder when recording begins, but you cannot expect these kind of features in a free program and the fact this was obviously for capturing only, which I think benefits those that do not have other alternatives.

I thought that WinDV did a great capturing job when I use a local drive, which is what I would be stuck with if I used the program. Considering that VS11's capture is out of the question, 10 and Nero Vision have no problem and 0 dropped frames going across a network. The main reason I would stick with using VS11 is b/c of the moving thumbnails and fade in feature when choosing a chapter, which is available in 10 as well, but wanted more choices due to my 2nd cd of 10 missing and I like the idea of being able to use updated software without giving in to the HD craze.

Thanks and hope some of the things I've done help others in making their decisions in the event their camcorder does not get recognized in 11.

Zip

[imjay]

Okay - I'm the dim bulb in this particular string of lights but always interested in learning.

I thought DV was developed as a standard by a Standards Group for Digital Video and that if a device, like a camcorder, is DV compliant then shouldn't the DV output from one camcorder be the same recognizable format as any other DV camcorder???

If other applications recognize it as DV shouldn't version eleven?

Again, I don't have any skin in this game and I sometimes still use and am completely happy with Version 6 but it would be nice to know.
Jim

[zipdrive]

about all I can tell you imjay is that my DCR-PC9 is not seen in 11+, it was seen in 10+. However, I have found Nero Vision to be much more versatile than VS other than the menu options, so I will be doing my capturing thru it. If you read one of Ken's post, he admits that the driver used for video capture was changed by InterVideo, but was fixed with November patch that has done nothing for me:

I am afraid that VS11/11.5 only has one capture plug-in, so you can't select a different one. Corel, in their wisdom, changed the ones that worked in previous versions, for a single InterVideo one in VS11. It had trouble capturing analogue source material from a device which uses firewire (mini DV camera, Digital 8 camera or external DV capture device) but has no trouble normally capturing digital DV from a mini DV camera. And in any case the analogue-to-DV problem was largely resolved with the 6 November patch which you have obviously installed since in fact you have VS11.5.

Obviously it corrected enough issues for Corel to consider it fixed, I personnally think they should have left Ulead products alone. They need to stick with Word Perfect and Paint.

Zip

[imjay]

Unfortunately my experience over a lot of years and a number of products most every time the original manufacturer was bought by another the acquiring company just couldn't resist jumping to make "improvements" til they ruined things.

Now I'm afraid to download the 11 trial cause I am so peased with versions 6,9 & 10 I won't lose them to try eleven.

Must I remove 9 and 10plus to trial eleven?

I am running xp pro and have versions 6, 9 and 10 on same HDD and sharing one OS registry and all three seem to work just fine.

I hope I can still depend on Video Studio and use newer versions with success.
Jim

[Ken Berry]

There should be no difficulty in adding VS11 trial version. You do not have to remove earlier versions.

[imjay]

Ken
Thanks for the quick response - is it enough of a feature/function improvement to warrant buying the upgrade or should I just wait for the rumored 12 this Spring?

[Ken Berry]

Only you can make that decision. If you are not into high definition/avchd etc, then I would have to advise you to wait. In any case, VS11 by itself has a lot of issues, and they will be in the trial version. These issues have been mostly fixed with the update patch and Hot Pack for the Plus version, but of course neither of these will work with the trial version.