Unable to capture DV video in VS11+

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Unable to capture DV video in VS11+

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Ok, have VS11+ (ver 11.5.0157.2 plus) installed on my Vista system. No problems editing video on hard drive. Connect my mini DV camera (Sony TRV-900) and no options appear in the capture window. Am able to control camera, preview video and capture using windows movie maker so what's the deal?!

Uninstalled VS11+ and reinstalled it all complete with reboots and no capture. Under "select device control" I see that the program has the correct device selected and it even recognizes my sony camera, however, I can not access the "change capture plug-in."

I also have a web cam connected to the computer and it won't even recognize that.

HELP! :evil:
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I am afraid that VS11/11.5 only has one capture plug-in, so you can't select a different one. Corel, in their wisdom, changed the ones that worked in previous versions, for a single InterVideo one in VS11. It had trouble capturing analogue source material from a device which uses firewire (mini DV camera, Digital 8 camera or external DV capture device) but has no trouble normally capturing digital DV from a mini DV camera. And in any case the analogue-to-DV problem was largely resolved with the 6 November patch which you have obviously installed since in fact you have VS11.5.

(A word in Corel's defence: I think they had to change the capture plug-ins anyway since the old Direct Show ones apparently don't work, at least not properly, under Vista...)

Can we assume that you have tried either first connecting the camera via firewire and switching it on then opening VS; or conversely, opening VS then switching on the camera? Normally one or the other works.

Do you get any error message (e.g. failed to build capture graph)?
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Capturing directly within VS there are no error messages - all capture options are dimmed out.

In movie wizard, when I open the capture module the camera wakes up when device control appears to take over and then I get a "device driver failed to load or no camera connected error" and when I close the module the camera goes back to standby. So something is attempting to work the camera and then it fails.

Under Win movie maker the camera capture and control features work as expected.

I do have MSP8 installed and setup to run under a different user but it's capture module refuses to build a preview graph though it controls the camera and will capture video - I just can't see the video on screen during capture or precapture preview.

Like I mentioned, I completley uninstalled VS11+ and reinstalled everything to insure I had the latest and correct drivers installed.

This is very frustrating..... feel severly let down by both Microsoft, Ulead and Corel in the video editing department.
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Ken Berry wrote:I am afraid that VS11/11.5 only has one capture plug-in, so you can't select a different one. Corel, in their wisdom, changed the ones that worked in previous versions, for a single InterVideo one in VS11. It had trouble capturing analogue source material from a device which uses firewire (mini DV camera, Digital 8 camera or external DV capture device) but has no trouble normally capturing digital DV from a mini DV camera. And in any case the analogue-to-DV problem was largely resolved with the 6 November patch which you have obviously installed since in fact you have VS11.5.

(A word in Corel's defence: I think they had to change the capture plug-ins anyway since the old Direct Show ones apparently don't work, at least not properly, under Vista...)

Can we assume that you have tried either first connecting the camera via firewire and switching it on then opening VS; or conversely, opening VS then switching on the camera? Normally one or the other works.

Do you get any error message (e.g. failed to build capture graph)?
Dear Ken
I was browsing the web board looking for an help since I have the same problem, but I have an error message like you state in your post: "cannot start the capture graph" during the capture phase.
I'm using the VS 11+, I'm trying to connect a sony handicam by firewire.
I'm working with XP pro, I already installed directX 9 and the windows media encoder 9.
Any suggestions for this problem?
thank you for your help
ciao
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Hi ironcutter,

I would first see if you can capture with another program. You might try Windows MovieMaker, which is actually built in to XP, otherwise you could also download a tiny freeware program called WinDV, of which I know uncle Ken is very fond! :lol:
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2Dogs wrote:Hi ironcutter,

I would first see if you can capture with another program. You might try Windows MovieMaker, which is actually built in to XP, otherwise you could also download a tiny freeware program called WinDV, of which I know uncle Ken is very fond! :lol:
thank you for your prompt reply.
what you suggest is what I'm doing with windows movie maker, capturing file with no problems and then edit them with VS. But I'd like to try to solve the problem directly in VS, if possible...

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Hi Matteo,

sorry, I should have read the preceding posts more thoroughly! :oops:

At least you are able to capture, so you have a usable workflow.

Personally, I rarely use VS to capture video from my JVC miniDV camcorder - no version to date has properly controlled the camcorder, and I risk damaging the heads when VS puts it into a very noisy pause mode. (on one occasion I had to run a head cleaning tape after it had been in that mode for an extended period without my noticing)

If you haven't yet tried WinDV, you might be pleasantly surprised. It's a really compact program, that starts up in an instant, and gives 100% reliable capturing with no dropped frames. It also offers the useful option of you naming the captured files with your own convention, as opposed to VS's unwieldy default naming scheme. I therefore consider it no hardship whatsoever to use WinDV for capture followed by VS for editing.
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2Dogs wrote:Hi Matteo,

sorry, I should have read the preceding posts more thoroughly! :oops:

At least you are able to capture, so you have a usable workflow.

Personally, I rarely use VS to capture video from my JVC miniDV camcorder - no version to date has properly controlled the camcorder, and I risk damaging the heads when VS puts it into a very noisy pause mode. (on one occasion I had to run a head cleaning tape after it had been in that mode for an extended period without my noticing)

If you haven't yet tried WinDV, you might be pleasantly surprised. It's a really compact program, that starts up in an instant, and gives 100% reliable capturing with no dropped frames. It also offers the useful option of you naming the captured files with your own convention, as opposed to VS's unwieldy default naming scheme. I therefore consider it no hardship whatsoever to use WinDV for capture followed by VS for editing.
thank you for your tip, onestly is only another way to work that I never consider before, the oppurtunity to rename the file could be very usefull. I'll try this application.

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You can download WinDV from windv.mourek.cz Note that you can only capture in DV format, as the name of the program implies.
Can we assume that you have tried either first connecting the camera via firewire and switching it on then opening VS; or conversely, opening VS then switching on the camera? Normally one or the other works.
Can you confirm that you did one of these if it was opposite to what you normally do... :lol:
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DCR-PC9 Issue

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I had posted the same problem with my DCR-PC9 Sony Handicam which is miniDV as well. I might use that WinDV as an option since I don't have a lot of template options in 10 (lost the 2nd disc). However I do have both with 11. Does WinDV control the camera in the same fashion as the previous version of VS? (I guess I'll just find that out myself).


Thanks for the suggestions.

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Post by Ken Berry »

Yes it does -- it is a very simple little program. The only trick you need to look out for is to set a maximum length of over one hour's worth of frames if you are in the habit of capturing a whole DV tape in one go and without split-by-scene activated. I think the default of WinDV is about 20 minutes, but if you have split-by-scene activated and haven't got a video which was all filmed in one take, then you should be OK.
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Ken Berry wrote:Yes it does -- it is a very simple little program. The only trick you need to look out for is to set a maximum length of over one hour's worth of frames if you are in the habit of capturing a whole DV tape in one go and without split-by-scene activated. I think the default of WinDV is about 20 minutes, but if you have split-by-scene activated and haven't got a video which was all filmed in one take, then you should be OK.
dear ken,
at the end I didn't understand if there is no solution for the error message "cannot start te capture graph", the only way is to use another program to capture dv video. Is it a bug of vs11+ or my configuration system, or the combination of both?

when has been released the vs11+, there are any official plan or simply rumors about the vs12? A friend of mine want buy the VS and I'd like to give him the right suggestion if wait a little bit or not.

thank you for your precious help
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Ken,

Based on what I posted at http://phpbb.ulead.com.tw/EN/viewtopic.php?t=28504, is there any reason as to why some camcorders that worked fine in 10, do not work in 11? But to reiterate, I did try what you had suggested in that post, however, do you think by me still having 10 installed at the time 11 was installed may have caused a driver conflict within 11, is that possible?

Thanks,
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Post by Ken Berry »

Zip -- there is no conflict of drivers or between VS10 and 11. Many of us have both loaded on the same computer (so we can try to answer questions about various versions), and both work fine.

ironcutter -- I simply don't know what is causing this problem. I doubt that it is a bug as such, since a lot more people would probably be reporting the same thing. However, I acknowledge that a number of users have reported similar problems just over the past couple of months. I am starting to wonder if a recent Windows update may have started causing problems for certain users...

On thing you could try, if you haven't already, would be to go to the Microsoft DirectX website and download the latest update patch. The current one is dated November 2007 and can be found at http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/deta ... laylang=en
Note that it updates both DirectX 9.0c (XP) and 10 (Vista). The number of your DirectX installation will not change, but the patch gives extra functionality in a number of areas and corrects other faults in VS11 in particular which do appear linked to Windows updates. Perhaps the 'building preview graph' may be one of them.

As for the release of the next version, I have no insider knowledge. None of us on this Board work for Corel -- we are all volunteers. However, the usual cycle is to release a new version every year around April. But I cannot say for certain that VS12 will come out then. A so-called new version -- version 11.5+ -- was only released in November. Whether Corel thinks that is enough for now, I don't know.

Certainly I am not aware of anyone on this Board being asked by Corel to be a beta tester for the new version, and I would have hoped that they would already be beta testing by now. Then again, they did not involve any of us users in beta testing VS11, and we all know the problems with the program revealed after it was released that might have been avoided with adequate beta testing by users beforehand... :cry: :roll:
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Post by zipdrive »

I guess I could use 10 or WinDV for capture and do what I need to do in 11, but if anyone knows of a solution for this particular problem, please let me know.

Thanks,
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