am I losing quality on trimming etc

[happyhero]

Hi I am capturing my old analogue video8 tapes via pass through, through my digital Sony camcorder onto my PC as videoman showed me how to do and I like to work on these files using my VS11 but it was pointed out to me that VS11 wont allow pass through capturing due to a bug, so I capture using Windows Movie maker as DV-AVI.

Thes captured videos often need trimming ie if I have filmed two seperate subjects and want to keep them seperate. It is hard to stop them just right so I end up letting them run just past normally and then trimming a few seconds. The way I do this is simply drag the captured film into the timeline, trim it (in WMM) and then I have to save the remaining movie to have a copy of the trimmed movie. I then work on the movie within VS11.

What I am wondering as quality is important to me, is, am I losing quality by saving as a new file in WMM?

Would I be better trimming in VS11?

Is there a way, to NOT save as a new file, but just shorten the original movie file so that you are not making new files all the time?

Any help appreciated.

[Ron P.]

When you're capturing are you placing the analog tapes in your digital-8 camcorder? This is the method that VS11+ still has problems with. However if you're connecting your analog 8 camcorder to your digital-8 camcorder, using the pass-through of the digital-8 in this manner, the latest Udate Pack (not the Hot Fix) corrected it.

If you have not already done so, download the Update Pack, and the Power Pack for VS11+, install them in that order. Then you should be able to utilize the pass-through conversion of your digital-8, as long as you are not placing the analog tape in the digital-8 camcorder...

VS11+ Updates

The reason I emphasize that, is that you will get much better results than you are probably getting using WMM. With WMM, unless you are wanting to just view your videos on your PC or upload them to the web, do not save/render your finished products to WMV. Render them to DV(digital video) avi if you wish to do further editing in VS. If not render to DVD compatible MPEG-2 for burning to DVD.

Let me back up a bit to the capturing. If you are putting the analog tape in your digital-8 camcorder to convert to digital, try using the free capture utility called WinDV. It works with Firewire only, and captures DV. Several of us use it over VS or MSP capture.

WMV (windows media video) is not good quality, especially if you are wanting to further edit, create DVDs. It was developed as a PC distribution format, for viewing video on PCs, not TV. It is very highly compressed, more so than MPEG-2. So if you created WMV files, and wanted to create a DVD from those, they would be re-encoded to meet DVD specs, which would result in a loss in quality.

You may have already looked at these, if not here are some good articles and tutorials...

You might want to read through From Camcorder to DVD tutorial.

A Recommended Workflow has been developed to help guide you through the mine-field of video editing, as it pertains to Ulead's VideoStudio Programs. They can be viewed here:
Recommened WorkFlow for VideoStudio

[happyhero]

Cheers videoman I have WinDV from before when I was advised before and will use this if needed but I would like to fix VS11+ but I am having problems. Wonder if you have any ideas. I had VS11+ open and I go to install the UPDATE pack first as you advise and it says I must close the program first and try again. So I do that and then it says it cannot detect VS11+ on my machine, any ideas.

I do have VS11+, it shows that at the top of the screen when ever I use it.

As for the Power pack which I thought I would look at it requires me to register etc which I prefer not to do as I dont want more advertising etc sent to me. Is there anywhere else to download these updates from?

Also just tried WinDV, are the default settings ok for general use or do I need to alter anything?

[billy336]

had the same problem. Do u have the correct language power pack? english powerpack for english version, german powerpack for german version ect.

2. try to reinstall ulead video studio 11. For me it worked that way...

[Trevor Andrew]

Would I be better trimming in VS11? yes

Is there a way, to NOT save as a new file, but just shorten the original movie file so that you are not making new files all the time?

Hi

The way I read it is that you end up with three mpeg files

1 / captured

2 / created in wwm after trimming the ends

3 / created after editing in VS (share create video file)

Do not do option 2

[skier-hughes]

so I capture using Windows Movie maker as DV-AVI.

Once you have the file as a dv.avi you can edit to your hearts content adn it won't sufer that you can possibly notice.

Thes captured videos often need trimming ie if I have filmed two seperate subjects and want to keep them seperate. It is hard to stop them just right so I end up letting them run just past normally and then trimming a few seconds. The way I do this is simply drag the captured film into the timeline, trim it (in WMM) and then I have to save the remaining movie to have a copy of the trimmed movie. I then work on the movie within VS11.

What I am wondering as quality is important to me, is, am I losing quality by saving as a new file in WMM?

Not if you save the file as a dv.avi file, don't save as wmv as Vidoman has said
http://www.myvideoproblems.com/Tutorial ... DV-AVI.htm


Would I be better trimming in VS11?

Makes no odds.

Is there a way, to NOT save as a new file, but just shorten the original movie file so that you are not making new files all the time?

Not once you have captured it. You could capture manually and capture only the parts you want, this would mean less space taken up on your hdd, but more work capturing, you can't just set it to capture 60 mins and come back an hour later, so its spend time editing and save new file or spend time capturing.

Any help appreciated.

[happyhero]

Cheers guys for all the help, only problem now is I cannot install the updates, I keep getting the message "Installer can not find Ulead VideoSudio 11 on your machine" and by looking back in the forum I can see a few people had this problem before and were asked to confirm whether they had the full pack and not the trial pack.

Well I have the full pack all installed properly, not sure what or where I could check to see exactly whats installed just to confirm this.

Dont know if there is anything anyone can suggest to try but re-installing the full program again doesn't help.

I dont know how you tell but everything on my Ulead is in English and thats what I bought so I am pretty sure its the English one I have.

[Ron P.]

I tried reviewing all your previous posts to see if you may have already posted this, but could not find it..

Did you purchase the full version, or did you purchase an unlock/activation key? The activation keys/codes, whatever seems to cause a lot of problems when trying to install any updates/patches. Once a trial version is activated, the update installer is suppose to treat it as any other full version, but seems to fail to do so.

Do you have any other Ulead programs installed? If so are you able to re-install those? If so, back-up any and all customized libraries. Then try uninstalling everything, regarding Ulead. NOTE If you have the downloaded installation files (ESD) that you purchased, be sure to get them backed-up first. I always burn those files to disc, as soon as I get them downloaded.

If you're familiar with the full/clean un-install/reinstall procedures, and comfortable with cleaning your registry, do that before reinstalling. Then try reinstalling VS11+ first. Reboot, then try installing the Update Pack.

I've read those posts concerning this problem. I have no idea why this is occurring. It almost seems that the installer is placing a false flag on the system, similar to the expiration time code used by the TBYB. There's only one way to get rid of that, reformatting your hard drive.