slighty stuttery playback ( wedding video continue..)

[lakewud]

So, in record time, have completed my wedding dvd. Happy ( ish ) with the result. Have a few questions i hope someone can answer for me.

The dvd lasts 1hr 21 min ( thats cutting out 45min worth of choir/speechs! ) its the best i can do!!

When i burn a message pops up to say, 'may not have enough disk space'...my disks say they can take around 120mins..anyway, burnt the thing no problem. Played it back, the result is....maybe its just my eyes watching this screen for so long, but the dvd just doesnt seem 'smooth'...a tad juddery kinda effect? Any reason?

Please tell me, my dvd say x16 on them, i would personnally perfer to burn at a slower rate...with vs10+ auto burn at the dvd's x16?

Where can i change the burning process? Couldnt find a tab for that anywhere.

Any advice, not in dvd authoring!, on getting the best quality output..why do you think it comes out a not a smooth picture?

Finally, im more than happy to continue to do the loooong burn process by simply, 'create disk' and then manually create the menu/chapters each and every time i come to burn this dvd..i know i know thats NOT the way to do it..but like ive said before, in the past tried both methods and for some reason when ive saved as a video file and then burnt from that the quality is noticably inferior..PLEASE tell me what im doing wrong....

But more important for now, if sorting out why the video isnt smooth? Any ideas, length of the thing?, burning process, wouldnt say i added much in the way of music or effects..a fair few transitions and did add a brightness overlay to a few shots...but on other dvds ive done ( on vs9 ) havent come across this slightly..very slightly..out of sync kind of effect.

Any advice more than welcome.

[Trevor Andrew]

Hi lakewud

Un-smooth playback is usually a field order problem. Upper or Lower fields.

The original capture source designates this setting.

Normally a digital capture source uses Lower field. (analogue Upper Field)

So how did you capture your footage?
What capture ¡¥format¡¦ did you use? (Dv or Dvd or Mpeg)
Did you use Firewire to Dv-Avi ( this is the best method)

What are the properties of your captured file?

After editing you should create a new Video File of your project, using correct/ compatible properties.
The field order should be maintained as captured.

This new Mpeg File should be used to burn a disc.

I always create an Iso file first, then burn the Iso to disc. I have no problems with reduced quality.

VS 9 When I press the ¡¥Burn¡¦ button I do not see the ¡¥warning window¡¦ ¡¥This action will take some time etc¡¦ If I do then my properties are incorrect and the video is being re-rendered. Not what I want.

[lakewud]

Thanks Trevor for the reply.

As far as i can tell, the properties are AVI ( used firewire ) and does stae Lower field first.

Now, it plays ok in the preview window of VS10+. Noticed, also on my copied version that the sound is out of sync too!!!

So any thinking on that one....the picture isnt too juddery as such but does seem like the picture just isnt smooth as it appears..almost as though theres a frame or two missing if you get my meaning, if this is the case?? then would go hand in hand with the audio being out of sync.

Any explainations?

Also, regarding copying..ideally wanting to copy 4x ....how can i make that happy...as read the slower the more stable the copied version on the disk.

Finally, once the dvd ends how can i make it automatically go back to the menu screen? Had same problem on VS9..ticked the box in the (cogwheel i think ) but would never go to the menu once it had finished...now using VS10+..any ideas?

But really, needing to sort out the slight judder and sound before anything else...please any thoughts appreciated.

[Trevor Andrew]

Thanks Trevor for the reply.

As far as i can tell, the properties are AVI ( used firewire ) and does stae Lower field first.
File-Preferences-tick ¡¥Show messages when inserting first¡K¡KStart a new project
Insert an Avi (unedited captured Avi)
Select Details from the info window.
Read the info in the Video properties panel.
Use your mouse to select text, then Ctrl+C to copy, Ctrl+ V to paste to forum.

Now, it plays ok in the preview window of VS10+. Noticed, also on my copied version that the sound is out of sync too!!! What copied version????

So any thinking on that one....the picture isnt too juddery as such but does seem like the picture just isnt smooth as it appears..almost as though theres a frame or two missing if you get my meaning, if this is the case?? then would go hand in hand with the audio being out of sync.

Any explainations?
After Capture-----When you have completed the editing you should create a Mpeg of the project. (Share Create Video File) (the duration of your project determines what bit rate to use. For 90 minutes use 6000kbps. The frame order should be lower field
What are the properties of your Mpeg??????? (Use the approach as above)

Also, regarding copying..ideally wanting to copy 4x ....how can i make that happy...as read the slower the more stable the copied version on the disk. Don¡¦t know¡XI create Iso files and use the disc image recorder, I can select 4X or max?????????

Finally, once the dvd ends how can i make it automatically go back to the menu screen? Had same problem on VS9..ticked the box in the (cogwheel i think ) but would never go to the menu once it had finished...now using VS10+..any ideas?
Select the ¡¥Options ¡¥cogwheel¡Xunder ¡¥navigation¡¦ remove the selection from ¡¥Auto Repeat
Now select Continue to play¡Xwill play all to end and return to menu.
Select ¡¥back to menu¡¦ will return to menu after each video.

But really, needing to sort out the slight judder and sound before anything else...please any thoughts appreciated.

We need to see your Avi properties and the rendered project properties as Mpeg.
Just a thought regarding audio out of sync'
During editing did you use 'split audio'

[lakewud]

Thank you again for taking the time to reply, did as you said and here are those details;

Project properties
MPEG files
24 bits, 720 x 576, 25 fps
Lower Field First
(DVD-PAL), 4:3
Video data rate: Variable (Max. 8000 kbps)
LPCM Audio, 48000 Hz, Stereo

Video properties
Microsoft AVI files
24 bits, 720 x 576, 4:3, 25 fps
Lower Field First
DV Video Encoder -- type 2
PCM, 32.000 kHz, 16 Bit, Stereo

I did use 'split audio' not a lot though, only twice for short periods.


The 'copied' version i meant was the one i did last night which was a little...juddery.or skippy ...the images i placed in the video, the crops and fades etc on those images was great, the video itself was this slightly outta step feeling to it...not enough to be unwatchable..but certainly not smooth...and the out of sync as well...sync was out by a good few seconds.


Do you think me burning it on 'maximum' ( the disk says 16x and maximum was the auto set by VS ) well if i change that too 8x ( which is the lowest VS10 seems to go ..could that make a difference? And why, when its writing ( tried a short version of something else just to see )..when i set it to burn speed 8x on one of my 16x disks...does it say at the end of the burning process..towards the final stages anyway, coping at 2x? Wheres the 2x come in?

Regarding the Mpeg, believe me as i must make 15copies...i want to try this video file save / mpeg..but it scares me to be honest..with those past results the once rendered footage when burned was awful and i obviously couldnt get the footage back from to before now ive rendered it....So, would love to take the advice given regarding this...but i still just dont get it.
Thanks for the other info.

[Ron P.]

I can suggest on your DVD burner, to go to My Computer locate the icon for your DVD burner and right-click on it, select Properties. In the Properties dialog, you should have a tab at the far right called Recording, select it. At the bottom of that tab, there is a pull-down menu for setting the Max Recording speed. You can change it to 4x. Then VS should recognize that and use it.

[lakewud]

Thank you for the tip, will give it a try. Take it then that it may help things regarding this out of sync/stuttery image.

Looked on mycomputer? whereabouts it the burner?

You think x4 is probably the best way to record any dvd?

[Trevor Andrew]

Hi lakewud

First of all it is good that you are capturing to DV format.
You indicate that the encoder is type 2(two)
It will be best if you change the capture settings to Dv-Type 1

From the capture window
Connect the camcorder
Select Format DV
Select the ¡¥Options cogwheel¡¦
Change the Dv type to type 1 (one)
You should only have to change this once, use it for future capture.
I am not sure but type two may have a bearing on your audio out of sync¡¦

Now this I don¡¦t understand

Regarding the Mpeg, believe me as i must make 15copies...i want to try this video file save / mpeg..but it scares me to be honest..with those past results the once rendered footage when burned was awful and i obviously couldnt get the footage back from to before now ive rendered it....So, would love to take the advice given regarding this...but i still just dont get it.

After you have edited the project you should create a video file.
Share Create Video File

Use these settings

MPEG files
24 Bits, 720 x 576, 25 fps
Lower Field First
(DVD-PAL), 4:3 or (16:9 widescreen)
Video data rate: 6000 kbps (constant)
Audio data rate: 256 kbps
Dolby Digital Audio, 48 KHz, 2/0(L,R)

This saves an Mpeg of the project to your hard drive. (up to 90 minutes long)
A thumbnail of the file is placed in the library.
Use the mpeg File in the burner module to create a disc.
Create an Iso file
Use the Iso file in the Dvd Disc image Recorder to burn your 15 copies.

I have a Quick Guide that you can view from the link below, it is a list of the process that I use.

PS
I do not think the record speed has anything to do with your quality problems or audio out of sync'

[lakewud]

Once again thanks for the advice, will take heed once ive more time later today.

Dont want to sound like a stuck record, so i wont keep posting honest...but just a couple of things...

This DV 1 capture ( which im annoyed about cause had heard of it before )...does it mean i must not re-edit from scratch my dvd....was thinking of maybe just re-capturing the Key things in the video and re-inserting them into the photos / opening closing titles etc ive already made....Would RE-SAVING my project under a different name ruin orignal quality of the wedding project ive already done?..basically having two saved files, one the original..which seems stuttetry and one with re-captuered footage.

Have tried again copying, and the result a little better..sound in sync...and the juttery not toooo bad...i copied it at 8x and again at 4x....but with try to re-capture as suggested as the results still arnt smooth.

When making my dvd menu, clickig, Play movie, Scene selections...anyway of Hiding the actual button so basically your just clicking the actual title. All i can see is a arrow and a feather..which look ok, but ideally want rid of them? Any thoughts?

[lakewud]

Well the wedding video ( and halfway decent impressive cover ) is done...have made my copies..VS10+ - hummm has its moments of annoyance whether its just down to my lack of understanding the programs fully im not so sure.

Several times now 35% or 67% or converting 13/20 titles...the thing jams up! Annoying to say the least.

I have stuck to my guns and done it the loooong way creating a new menu each time i burn...as said before, in the past, having tried to do it the recommened way on here..the quality deteriates noticably.

SO, come to this.....i can now..play around so to speak...my copies all done...but never again shall i attempt to copy/use VS in this way. I HAVE read advice on here, and looked at the many threads....

Could some kind soul please put it in abc form....to burn the recommened route....do i...

(a) Bring in my saved Weddingvideo project onto the timeline.

(b) Share>Create VIDEOFILE

(c) Share> Creat Soundfile????

(d) Create disk

(e) Bring in saved VIDEO and Sound file ( they marry up ok? no pun intended ! )

(f) Create chapters and the whole dvd setup

(g) Save this menu setup? How? Do i not lose quality of the menu setup?

(h) Burn disk

(i) Burn disk again ( straight after burning the last one..no need to exit / enter screen etc...load menus again )

(j) Sit back and think VS is actually a great program and is easy to create a thousand copies with minimum of fuss.

Please feel free to help me understand exactly what im supposed to be doing when i want to burn a dozen copies of a saved program.

Thanks

[Trevor Andrew]

Hi

Please read my Quick Guide for Dv-Avi
Quick Guide for Mpeg
Create Video File.
and
Share ( Burn To Disc)

There are several procedures you can take to complete your editing.
These are the ones that seem to work for me.

If you are seeing a substantial loss in quality when rendering then I suspect you may have incorrect properties

If you have several copies to burn, then it may be best to create a disc image ( iso File). There should be no loss in quality

[Trevor Andrew]

Hi lakewud

Had a little more time to do A to Z

Capture

A File¡XPreferences¡XShow messages when inserting¡K¡K
B Start a New Project
C Connect Camcorder Mini-Dv via Firewire to pc.
D Select Capture-Select Format DV.
E Select DV-Type 1 (one) from ¡¥Options Cogwheel.
F Create a ¡¥Working Folder¡¦ for your captured files.
G Capture the video

When you stop capture the files will be added to the timeline and library, you should receive an info window prompting you to change the project settings. Select details to view. Select OK/yes
Your project settings match your captured file settings.
Edit your captured clips. When complete you should create a Video File.

Creating a Video File.

You have two options.

H
Share Create Video File ¡V Same as First clip. (makes an Avi file.)
this will allow you to export your movie back to your camcorder (assuming your camcorder supports this option.

OR
I
Share Create Video File¡X ¡¥Custom¡¦ I use these settings ( makes an mpeg ready for burning.)

MPEG files
24 Bits, 720 x 576, 25 fps
Lower Field First
(DVD-PAL), 16:9 or 4:3
Video data rate: 6000 kbps (Constant) ( up to 90 minutes of video)
Audio data rate: 256 kbps
Dolby Digital Audio, 48 KHz, 2/0(L,R)

To Burn a Disc

J Start a new project
K Insert the Mpeg file made in ( I above)
J Select ¡¥Yes¡¦ to change the project settings.
K Delete the file from the timeline, you have an empty timeline.
L Share Create Disc
M Add Video File, Add the file made in ( I above)
N Create your menus etc
O In the final window you have the choice to burn the Disc

This will burn a single disc. There will be NO rendering of the Video File, only the menu structure will be rendered.

P
If you have a lot of copies, it is advisable to create an Disc Image ( Iso file.)
Once created it can be burned to disc using the VCD DVD Disc Image Recorder

From your desktop, press Start- Programs¡XUlead Video Studio.
The recorder will open on your desktop, Select ¡¥Open¡¦ to browse your hard drive for the Iso File.

Q I follow these procedures, the finished product is very good quality. As good as the original

R Finally, press the close button. You are returned back to an empty timeline.
NOW SAVE THE PROJECT

When you open the project again the timeline will be empty.
Select Share Create Disc all your work should be preserved.

I¡¦ve probably missed something, but it works for me.

Merry Christmas

[Ken Berry]

Just to add a couple of my own thoughts on Trevor's advice:

re (I) -- if you intend to make a lot of videos using those Custom properties, then convert it into a permanent template using Tools > Make Movie Manager. Next time you go to Share > Create Video File, your new template will show up at the bottom of the drop down list above Custom.

Re (P) -- opinions vary on this. I personally make a DVD Folder (Video_TS) instead of a disc image (.iso) file, though they are much of a muchness. The main advantage of a DVD Folder is that there are more software players out there which can play it back as if it were a real DVD. In other words you can preview the final form of exactly what the final disc will be like. It is more difficult to do that with an .iso file.

The advantage with an .iso file, on the other hand, is that Ulead/Corel provide a separate Disc Image Burner program in the VS package which will burn them to disc. But that program won't burn a DVD folder to disc. For that you need something like Nero Burning ROM...

[lakewud]

Thanks ( again ) for the time/trouble to post. I WILL try this method of burning ( once again..failed to burn..stuck halfway!..strange why its got into the habit of doing this..worked fine before )

BUT, what about making a Sound file? and the dvd menu..wouldnt that deteriate?

[Ken Berry]

I fail to see the point you are trying to make about making a sound file. That is irrelevant to the objective of making a DVD. In rendering to a DVD compliant mpeg-2, there should be video AND audio included in that i.e. it will be a stand-alone file which can be burned as is to DVD.

So unless you are intent on making a completely separate audio CD of just the audio, don't make a separate audio file...