What is the best way to put the most HD content on a DVD
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gigabyte137
Well I have a 8800GT so I am fine with the avchd playback using Nero with the playback on my computer and as far as the HD-A2 I have no problem viewing the burnt hd-dvd content on regular dvd's.... Now I just wish I could get a bluray player as avchd seems the better way to go as far as compression on standard dvd's...
Toni,
You would like using a PS3. It has a blu-ray player in it already.
You connect the PS3 to your projector and use the 1280x720p resolution. Then whatever you use to get the media to the PS3 you simply stay with your original hd-mpeg2 files. The PS3 is a HD-Player, it will convert your videos to 1280x720p and display them at the 1280x720p display mode. You do not re-encode or down rez anything.
I've done this many times with my PS3. My source videos are 1440x1080i hd-mpeg2 OR avchd 1440x1080. The PS3 plays avchd video and doesn't break a sweat. I've viewed Blu-Ray movies encoded in the AVC codec up to 30MBS. They play fine on the PS3. Lately all the movies I've been watching on Blu-Ray are encoded in the AVC/H264 codec. Earlier movies were hd-mpeg2 at very high bit-rates ( 25MBS - 35MBS+ )
Normally you can encode avchd up to 18MBS for DVD. When you encode AVCHD on the average the codec is supposed to produce the same quality at half the bit-rate of hd-mpeg2. That's probably in the perfect sense, but my videos are about 11MBS average and look pretty identical to it's 25MBS counterpart.
I guess for no loss at all selecting 15MBS at Constant Bit Rate would be the best choice.
Using a PS3 you could put your videos on an external usb harddisk, dvd, media card or use a media server (Nero's media server).
As far as DivX-HD go for it, I guess. I think HD-Divx is an excellent solution for High Definition on DVD's. AVCHD is becoming more universally standard. I've already given some avchd disks for others to playback, like dvd's. It's hard to do this with divx because they require a special player.
You would like using a PS3. It has a blu-ray player in it already.
You connect the PS3 to your projector and use the 1280x720p resolution. Then whatever you use to get the media to the PS3 you simply stay with your original hd-mpeg2 files. The PS3 is a HD-Player, it will convert your videos to 1280x720p and display them at the 1280x720p display mode. You do not re-encode or down rez anything.
I've done this many times with my PS3. My source videos are 1440x1080i hd-mpeg2 OR avchd 1440x1080. The PS3 plays avchd video and doesn't break a sweat. I've viewed Blu-Ray movies encoded in the AVC codec up to 30MBS. They play fine on the PS3. Lately all the movies I've been watching on Blu-Ray are encoded in the AVC/H264 codec. Earlier movies were hd-mpeg2 at very high bit-rates ( 25MBS - 35MBS+ )
Normally you can encode avchd up to 18MBS for DVD. When you encode AVCHD on the average the codec is supposed to produce the same quality at half the bit-rate of hd-mpeg2. That's probably in the perfect sense, but my videos are about 11MBS average and look pretty identical to it's 25MBS counterpart.
I guess for no loss at all selecting 15MBS at Constant Bit Rate would be the best choice.
Using a PS3 you could put your videos on an external usb harddisk, dvd, media card or use a media server (Nero's media server).
As far as DivX-HD go for it, I guess. I think HD-Divx is an excellent solution for High Definition on DVD's. AVCHD is becoming more universally standard. I've already given some avchd disks for others to playback, like dvd's. It's hard to do this with divx because they require a special player.
The PS3 is a multi-media player, pictures, video, music. Internal harddisk, you can copy your videos to the PS3 internal harddisk for storage & playback. Many feature, not just video.1- Why PS3 , why not a normal blueray pioneer , pana or other reader, is it a question of price.
The PS3 will connect to media servers, I hear WMP 11 also works, haven't tried it. Buffalo also makes a stand alone unit server that can operate the disks in a RAID 0 / 1 Configuration.
Hi again Etech
I am planing to use a PC with standard dvd burner-reader (runing with Vista) with a new Leadtek WinFast PX8500 GT TDH HDMI hdcp videocard connected to my video Pana hd ready projector (also hdmi). I already have VS10+ :
I plan to
1-Edit my MPEG-2 HD videos with VS10+ without menues ( just cuts and transitions )
2- Then Import the result to MF6+ with hd patch and make menues
3-Create HD-DVD file format or BR format ? Dont realy know what to do in this step (what is the real difference , both are avchd file type I think
4-Then burn the result with my normal burner to normal DVD-R
5-watch my DVD with compatible software (Dont know if will VLC or WMP10 or Win DVD7 works) ? will dvd be lounched automatically with the right soft
Is all these steps OK this OK. I'm a bit mixed up maybe I missed something . Can you advice please (specially on step 3 and 5)
Thanks for your valuable help
I am planing to use a PC with standard dvd burner-reader (runing with Vista) with a new Leadtek WinFast PX8500 GT TDH HDMI hdcp videocard connected to my video Pana hd ready projector (also hdmi). I already have VS10+ :
I plan to
1-Edit my MPEG-2 HD videos with VS10+ without menues ( just cuts and transitions )
2- Then Import the result to MF6+ with hd patch and make menues
3-Create HD-DVD file format or BR format ? Dont realy know what to do in this step (what is the real difference , both are avchd file type I think
4-Then burn the result with my normal burner to normal DVD-R
5-watch my DVD with compatible software (Dont know if will VLC or WMP10 or Win DVD7 works) ? will dvd be lounched automatically with the right soft
Is all these steps OK this OK. I'm a bit mixed up maybe I missed something . Can you advice please (specially on step 3 and 5)
Thanks for your valuable help
TONI1
Toni,
By the time you spend money on the videocard, playback software (vlc will not playback highdef in disk format yet). PowerDvd7 Ultra does ($99.00 dollars).
In the long run buying a PS3 is less expensive for everything the PS3 does (or a HD-DVD Player, only mpeg2 video).
Computers connected to a HDTV is not always the same setup.
Depends on the video card, playback software, capabilities of the HDTV and your operating system (XP / Vista / Linux).
Different video card = Different procedure. It's never easy, but the PS3 makes it easy.
I can cover explaining playback on the PS3, but for proper computer playback of high defintion to a computer connected HDTV as primary or secondary monitor is to much to explain, at least on my end.
By the time you spend money on the videocard, playback software (vlc will not playback highdef in disk format yet). PowerDvd7 Ultra does ($99.00 dollars).
In the long run buying a PS3 is less expensive for everything the PS3 does (or a HD-DVD Player, only mpeg2 video).
Computers connected to a HDTV is not always the same setup.
Depends on the video card, playback software, capabilities of the HDTV and your operating system (XP / Vista / Linux).
Different video card = Different procedure. It's never easy, but the PS3 makes it easy.
I can cover explaining playback on the PS3, but for proper computer playback of high defintion to a computer connected HDTV as primary or secondary monitor is to much to explain, at least on my end.
Thanks for the details on this- I'm looking to make the 3X DVD (HD on DVD-R/DLs)...etech6355 wrote:I'll mention one last point of interest.
To playback AVCHD Disks on a computer, a PCI-e 16x video card with hardware acceleration is necessary for proper decoding & de-interlacing. Along with the video card is the correct playback software that uses the video cards acceleration features.
PowerDVD7 Ultra supplies a codec and uses the ATI's AVIVO High Definition acceleration. Nero appears to me to use the DirectX acceleration.
My computer uses 1% cpu power when playing back AVCHD videos (file playback). A little more cpu usage if playing back in the avchd disk mode.
ATI uses AVIVO for HD acceleration
NVidia uses "PureVision or PureView" for HD acceleration
So even when you have the correct video card for proper HD playback (Blu-Ray or HD-DVD) you still need the correct playback software to correctly access the video cards hardware acceleration features.
Toshiba HD-DVD also uses AVC/H264, but it has to be on a HD-DVD. Nero calls it AVC for HD-DVD. For some reason Nero wants to make/create very high bit-rates when encoding these video for HD-DVD on real HD-DVD's (I don't have a HD-DVD burner). I made some on dvd and the Toshiba's player said not the correct format for this media.
you mention the Toshiba HD-DVD players won't accept AVCHD on such disks; will they accept VC1 (WMV9adv)? Or only MPG2 HD?
I have a Canon HV10 player and I have no way of archiving/playing my video still short of using the camcorder, and no good editing method that will work with scene detection very well.
I am hoping to try 3X dvds w/ a more advanced codec like VC1 to get >40mins per DVD-R-DL, but if the Toshiba players won't support it, then skip that...
but the Bluray players DO support playback of AVCHD DVD-R DL disks OK? I thought that spec was NOT as solid as on HD DVD 3X stuff...
I'm pretty sure for making dvd's to play in the Toshiba players you will have to stay with HDV (25MBS) for HD-DVD.
So far the AVCHD disk format is very solid. You only burn AVCHD Disks to DVD's.
An AVCHD disk is a dvd that contains AVC/H264 video that's avchd compliant, meaning the avc/h264 video is compliant for an avchd disk. The same way that mpeg2 needs to be compliant for dvd's.
When using MF6+ with the HD-Add-On pack, the amount of video you can put on an avchd disk depends on your encoder/quality settings. You can use MF6+ highest avc/h264 quality of 18MBS and use Variable Bit Rate with dolby 5.1 audio at 448kbs. The videos end up averaging approx 11MBS-12MBS. This enables you to put 47 Minutes on a single sided dvd, and almost double for DL dvd's.
Here's how I performed the above calculation: Starting with 12,000kbs being the average bitrate.
( 12,000kbs / 8 ) * 60 = 90,000 Kilo_Bytes_Per_Minute ( 90 Mega_BYtes_Per_Minute of Video, same thing).
A single sided dvd is 4.370Gigabyte ( or 4,370 MegaBytes ).
To be safe I'll use 4.2 Gigabytes to provide extra space on the dvd for menus & background music (added in the menus).
( Size of DVD / Mega_Bytes_Per_Minute ) = Total Playing Time
( 4200 Mega_Bytes / 90 Mega_Bytes_Per_Minute ) = 46.666 or 47 Minutes.
So that's approx 47 minutes for a single sided dvd.
What i do is use MF6+ to encode my HDV Videos to avc/h264 avchd compliant video directly from the timeline to the harddisk.. Then I have them archived, stored or backed up. I use these avc/h264 videos in a MF6+ avchd project, because they are compliant they are not re-encoded so after creating menus I burn a disk fairly quick. The videos are not re-encoded.
So far the AVCHD disk format is very solid. You only burn AVCHD Disks to DVD's.
An AVCHD disk is a dvd that contains AVC/H264 video that's avchd compliant, meaning the avc/h264 video is compliant for an avchd disk. The same way that mpeg2 needs to be compliant for dvd's.
When using MF6+ with the HD-Add-On pack, the amount of video you can put on an avchd disk depends on your encoder/quality settings. You can use MF6+ highest avc/h264 quality of 18MBS and use Variable Bit Rate with dolby 5.1 audio at 448kbs. The videos end up averaging approx 11MBS-12MBS. This enables you to put 47 Minutes on a single sided dvd, and almost double for DL dvd's.
Here's how I performed the above calculation: Starting with 12,000kbs being the average bitrate.
( 12,000kbs / 8 ) * 60 = 90,000 Kilo_Bytes_Per_Minute ( 90 Mega_BYtes_Per_Minute of Video, same thing).
A single sided dvd is 4.370Gigabyte ( or 4,370 MegaBytes ).
To be safe I'll use 4.2 Gigabytes to provide extra space on the dvd for menus & background music (added in the menus).
( Size of DVD / Mega_Bytes_Per_Minute ) = Total Playing Time
( 4200 Mega_Bytes / 90 Mega_Bytes_Per_Minute ) = 46.666 or 47 Minutes.
So that's approx 47 minutes for a single sided dvd.
What i do is use MF6+ to encode my HDV Videos to avc/h264 avchd compliant video directly from the timeline to the harddisk.. Then I have them archived, stored or backed up. I use these avc/h264 videos in a MF6+ avchd project, because they are compliant they are not re-encoded so after creating menus I burn a disk fairly quick. The videos are not re-encoded.
and they are not nativly compatible with Toshiba's HD-DVD, right? I seem so at least because file extention is different...etech6355 wrote:gigabyte137,
I would select to use the AVCHD Disk (h264 video) method. AVCHD Disks have menus, chapters same as dvd's do. These disks playback on the computer using Nero 7/8, Powerdvd7, Windvd 8. Blu-Ray Disc players including the PS3.
I have hg10 as well. I used bundled software MF-se (?) to create AVCHD disk on DVD and then tryied it on blue-ray player in my local Best Buycgould wrote:I have a Canon HV10 player ....but the Bluray players DO support playback of AVCHD DVD-R DL disks OK?
it worked on all blue-ray players and playback quality was same as HG10 connected to HDTV. I did not tried to burd on DL-DVD or play AVCHD disk on Toshiba player though.
MF created AVCHD disk way faster than SD DVD because it seems like doesn't need to transcode anything, HG10 already produce AVC/.m2ts files. I does added couple KB to each file for some reason, I wish it would not change it at all
Thanks for info- I actually have an HV10 camcorder, the HDV/miniDV tape version, it isn't AVC format. Natural format is MPEG2 .m2t files.d1ms wrote:I have hg10 as well. I used bundled software MF-se (?) to create AVCHD disk on DVD and then tryied it on blue-ray player in my local Best Buycgould wrote:I have a Canon HV10 player ....but the Bluray players DO support playback of AVCHD DVD-R DL disks OK?
it worked on all blue-ray players and playback quality was same as HG10 connected to HDTV. I did not tried to burd on DL-DVD or play AVCHD disk on Toshiba player though.
MF created AVCHD disk way faster than SD DVD because it seems like doesn't need to transcode anything, HG10 already produce AVC/.m2ts files. I does added couple KB to each file for some reason, I wish it would not change it at all
That's a good idea about testing out sample disks at the store
If you have a hd-mpeg2 camcorder like the HV10 this may help for converting them to avc/h264 files that are avchd disk compliant.
How to create separate AVCHD/H264 video files on harddisk: (Can be used directly in avchd projects without re-encoding)
Start an AVCHD project.
Make sure under "Preferences" the Rendering Quality = BEST.
Create an AVCHD Template, Click on the lower left Icon -> Disc Template Manager" Disk Type = AVCHD. Click on NEW & assign your new template a name alias.
Then making all the correct settings necessary for a good avchd video.
Example:
FrameSize = 1440x1080 Upper Field First 29.97fps or 25fps
Compression = 100%
Video Bit Rate = 18000 VBR or 15000 CBR ( Variable Bit Rate is approx 11MBS average, nice video).
Dolby Audio 5.1, 48khz, 448kbs
Note: Make the fielding your last choice & double check it after saving this template, very important, if the fielding didn't take correctly then edit the template & correct it.
Save the template & return back to the timeline.
Now while you are in the MF6+ AVCHD Module timeline load your videos into the timeline, m2t, m2v and add custom audio whatever.
Then while on the timeline EXPORT your video to the harddisk.
Highlight the video
Click on "Export Selected Clips" -> Select your Custom Template you created in the above bolded text, name the file and save (hope your computer is fast)
Also, being clicking on SAVE you can also click on the "Options" to change any encoding parameters or simply double check them.
Also note that you can have more than one video on the timeline, if you highlight them all (or a few), then "Export Selected Clips" they will be individually encoded as separate files.
Another point is that the avchd video files created using this method are compliant, therefore you can use them in AVCHD/Blu-Ray projects and they WILL NOT be re-encoded (unless you edit them). You must have the "Do not Convert" switch activated to do this (under the GEAR Icon)
Note: Encoding at 18MBS VBR is the max, the higher this value the higher the quality. The higher the bit-rate the larger the file size which means less video on the avchd disk.
But, in MF6+ when you use 18MBS VBR the average bit-rate ends up approx 11MBS-12MBS. This will produce approx 46 Minutes of HighDefintion avc/h264 on an avchd disk.
How to create separate AVCHD/H264 video files on harddisk: (Can be used directly in avchd projects without re-encoding)
Start an AVCHD project.
Make sure under "Preferences" the Rendering Quality = BEST.
Create an AVCHD Template, Click on the lower left Icon -> Disc Template Manager" Disk Type = AVCHD. Click on NEW & assign your new template a name alias.
Then making all the correct settings necessary for a good avchd video.
Example:
FrameSize = 1440x1080 Upper Field First 29.97fps or 25fps
Compression = 100%
Video Bit Rate = 18000 VBR or 15000 CBR ( Variable Bit Rate is approx 11MBS average, nice video).
Dolby Audio 5.1, 48khz, 448kbs
Note: Make the fielding your last choice & double check it after saving this template, very important, if the fielding didn't take correctly then edit the template & correct it.
Save the template & return back to the timeline.
Now while you are in the MF6+ AVCHD Module timeline load your videos into the timeline, m2t, m2v and add custom audio whatever.
Then while on the timeline EXPORT your video to the harddisk.
Highlight the video
Click on "Export Selected Clips" -> Select your Custom Template you created in the above bolded text, name the file and save (hope your computer is fast)
Also, being clicking on SAVE you can also click on the "Options" to change any encoding parameters or simply double check them.
Also note that you can have more than one video on the timeline, if you highlight them all (or a few), then "Export Selected Clips" they will be individually encoded as separate files.
Another point is that the avchd video files created using this method are compliant, therefore you can use them in AVCHD/Blu-Ray projects and they WILL NOT be re-encoded (unless you edit them). You must have the "Do not Convert" switch activated to do this (under the GEAR Icon)
Note: Encoding at 18MBS VBR is the max, the higher this value the higher the quality. The higher the bit-rate the larger the file size which means less video on the avchd disk.
But, in MF6+ when you use 18MBS VBR the average bit-rate ends up approx 11MBS-12MBS. This will produce approx 46 Minutes of HighDefintion avc/h264 on an avchd disk.