Using UVS8
I've split my audio from my video...
I've got my video on the "video track" It is one 3 minute clip.
It is a music video, me singing.
I've divided the video clip in three different parts, and now want to insert
some transisitions between the now newley divided clips.
However, when I add the transisitions, the video goes out of sync
with the seperated audio track.
I didn't know that transistions, in general, change the overall timing, even
by a second or two, of the video. I thought the video continuted as the transistion progressed, but I guess the video stops during the transistion?
I cannot add time in the audio track, since it is a track of my singing a song, of course, now seperated from the video track. So, any suggestions on how to add transistions to the video track, and still keep the video in sync with the audio track?
Thanks for any suggestions.
Transisitions & Time
Moderator: Ken Berry
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Trevor Andrew
Hi
Yes, why did you split audio?
The audio in the main video track is still there, just muted.
When you split audio a copy of the sound was placed in the Voice Track.
You can revert back to the original sound.
Select a clip in the timeline, tick the mute button, top left.
Do the same with all clips.
Delete/Remove the split audio clip in the Voice Track.
Your singing should now be in sync’
hope this helps
Yes, why did you split audio?
The audio in the main video track is still there, just muted.
When you split audio a copy of the sound was placed in the Voice Track.
You can revert back to the original sound.
Select a clip in the timeline, tick the mute button, top left.
Do the same with all clips.
Delete/Remove the split audio clip in the Voice Track.
Your singing should now be in sync’
hope this helps
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Ray Musicbear
Hi,
The reason that I split the audio track from the video was to process
the audio track in my CoolEdit Program. In that program I was able
to remove the camcorder noise, since I used the internal mic, was
also able to e.q. the audio, widen the stereo field, add one of my
favorite reverbs and then normalize the audio. I know some of this
is possible in UVS, but my CoolEdit does it so well.
But the problem with the transisions continues, because when I add
a transision the video then is longer then the audio track. The video
and my vocal track are out of sync, I look like a badly dubbed foreign
movie! Even if the audio and video were combined and not split, I do
notice when I add transistions that the audio burps or jumps at the point
of the transision.
It's a problem, so I guess I will not be able to use any transisions in
my new music video...
The reason that I split the audio track from the video was to process
the audio track in my CoolEdit Program. In that program I was able
to remove the camcorder noise, since I used the internal mic, was
also able to e.q. the audio, widen the stereo field, add one of my
favorite reverbs and then normalize the audio. I know some of this
is possible in UVS, but my CoolEdit does it so well.
But the problem with the transisions continues, because when I add
a transision the video then is longer then the audio track. The video
and my vocal track are out of sync, I look like a badly dubbed foreign
movie! Even if the audio and video were combined and not split, I do
notice when I add transistions that the audio burps or jumps at the point
of the transision.
It's a problem, so I guess I will not be able to use any transisions in
my new music video...
I've never done the kind of editing in VS you describe, Ray, but a question does pop into my head:
Why don't you complete the audio editing needed, then bring the audio and video back together as one track, and THEN put in your transitions?
Wouldn't this get around the problem of OOS (as we call it now)?
Keith
Why don't you complete the audio editing needed, then bring the audio and video back together as one track, and THEN put in your transitions?
Wouldn't this get around the problem of OOS (as we call it now)?
Keith
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Trevor Andrew
ok you can 'create a sound file' from share without splitting audio.
do this before cutting the video clip.
edit your audio clip to remove the background noise, then insert back to the voice or music track'
provided your audio editing has not altered the length, the clip should be in sync'
You can then mute the main video audio, then create a new video file from share.
if you are satisfied with the sync, continue with the cutting and transitions.
Using Sound Forge you can import the whole video clip to clean the audio section without seperating the Mpeg.
Dont know how good the results are though.
All the Best
do this before cutting the video clip.
edit your audio clip to remove the background noise, then insert back to the voice or music track'
provided your audio editing has not altered the length, the clip should be in sync'
You can then mute the main video audio, then create a new video file from share.
if you are satisfied with the sync, continue with the cutting and transitions.
Using Sound Forge you can import the whole video clip to clean the audio section without seperating the Mpeg.
Dont know how good the results are though.
All the Best
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Ray Musicbear
These are all good suggestions, and thanks to everyone for offering some solutions, however, I think I am maybe not clearly stating my problem.
Combining the video back to the video track, etc, sounds good, but the problem of the audio bleeping during each transistion still exsists. I have tried both ways...
First, In the video track, I am singing, I split the track and add a transision to the video track, the track gets lengthened, but not the audio track. Second, when using the combined audio/video tracks, during the transistions, the audio bleeps or jumps a bit... Again, I didn't know transistions add time to the tracks! I thought they were just fade in fade out types of effects and didn't alter video length, but it seems they do! Or am I wrong about this?
Could this audio bleep be because I am splitting the videotrack and not the fualt of the transisions at all? Is the splitting of the tracks causing the audio bleeps? I am NOT splitting the audio tracks, so why the bleeping?
Combining the video back to the video track, etc, sounds good, but the problem of the audio bleeping during each transistion still exsists. I have tried both ways...
First, In the video track, I am singing, I split the track and add a transision to the video track, the track gets lengthened, but not the audio track. Second, when using the combined audio/video tracks, during the transistions, the audio bleeps or jumps a bit... Again, I didn't know transistions add time to the tracks! I thought they were just fade in fade out types of effects and didn't alter video length, but it seems they do! Or am I wrong about this?
Could this audio bleep be because I am splitting the videotrack and not the fualt of the transisions at all? Is the splitting of the tracks causing the audio bleeps? I am NOT splitting the audio tracks, so why the bleeping?
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TJ2
Hi Ray,
It sounds like you should leave the audio split out and trim a bit off your video segments right around the transitions to get the video back in sync with the audio after each transition. This will be finicky trial and error work, but if you shave frames at a time off the video you should be able to do it. Of course, make sure you have all the transitions setup exactly the way you want in all the right places before you get into the video trimming. And be sure to start with the first transition and work in order from there.
Tim
It sounds like you should leave the audio split out and trim a bit off your video segments right around the transitions to get the video back in sync with the audio after each transition. This will be finicky trial and error work, but if you shave frames at a time off the video you should be able to do it. Of course, make sure you have all the transitions setup exactly the way you want in all the right places before you get into the video trimming. And be sure to start with the first transition and work in order from there.
Tim
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JohnG
<quote - Ray Musicbear>
Again, I didn't know transistions add time to the tracks! I thought they were just fade in fade out types of effects and didn't alter video length, but it seems they do! Or am I wrong about this?
</quote>
I don't have UVS(8) on this machine, so can't check directly, but...
My memory is that transitions cause the clips to *overlap*, by the length of the transition. If this is the case, then you should see an overall shorter video length. And, if this is so, then your split audio will likely be too long. :-(
<quote - Ray Musicbear>
Combining the video back to the video track, etc, sounds good, but the problem of the audio bleeping during each transistion still exsists.
</quote>
I've noticed this "bleeping", too. I think it comes from the overlap effect noted above. If the video overlaps, then UVS has to do something with the audio (some kind of merging).
A (not too pretty) suggestion...
Assuming that the transitions do cause video overlap, which shortens the overall video length, then... add blank (or whatever) still images at the transition points. Set the image time length to bring your audio back in sync.
hope this helps,
John
Again, I didn't know transistions add time to the tracks! I thought they were just fade in fade out types of effects and didn't alter video length, but it seems they do! Or am I wrong about this?
</quote>
I don't have UVS(8) on this machine, so can't check directly, but...
My memory is that transitions cause the clips to *overlap*, by the length of the transition. If this is the case, then you should see an overall shorter video length. And, if this is so, then your split audio will likely be too long. :-(
<quote - Ray Musicbear>
Combining the video back to the video track, etc, sounds good, but the problem of the audio bleeping during each transistion still exsists.
</quote>
I've noticed this "bleeping", too. I think it comes from the overlap effect noted above. If the video overlaps, then UVS has to do something with the audio (some kind of merging).
A (not too pretty) suggestion...
Assuming that the transitions do cause video overlap, which shortens the overall video length, then... add blank (or whatever) still images at the transition points. Set the image time length to bring your audio back in sync.
hope this helps,
John
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MikeGunter
Re: Transisitions & Time
Hi,Ray Musicbear wrote:Using UVS8
I've split my audio from my video...
I've got my video on the "video track" It is one 3 minute clip.
It is a music video, me singing.
I've divided the video clip in three different parts, and now want to insert
some transisitions between the now newley divided clips.
However, when I add the transisitions, the video goes out of sync
with the seperated audio track.
I didn't know that transistions, in general, change the overall timing, even
by a second or two, of the video. I thought the video continuted as the transistion progressed, but I guess the video stops during the transistion?
I cannot add time in the audio track, since it is a track of my singing a song, of course, now seperated from the video track. So, any suggestions on how to add transistions to the video track, and still keep the video in sync with the audio track?
Thanks for any suggestions.
I think what you are seeing is *handle* created for the transition. The pop might well be over modulated audio.
In any case, for a really good in sync music video, record the the the sound first and play it back during video shoot for the talent (you?) to lip sync. The sound will be better (you can use any number of techniques from mini discs to just recording to the camcorder).
You should pick up the audio with the sound on the video shoot for assisting in the edit.
Mike
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Ray Musicbear
I think TJ2 & JohnG have given me the answer I needed!
Thanks so much guys!
The answer lies in the shortened/lengthened video track, due to the adding/overlapping of time by the transisions.
The only problem is, TJ2 says the transisions lengthen the video track, and JohnG says the transisions overlap the video track and therefor shorten it!
Which one is correct?
It sounds easer to cut 1 second/30 frames off the video then add... But I will do what I have to do to make this work.
If the transision is 2 seconds, then as TJ2 suggested, I need to cut 2 seconds (60 frames?) of time off the video. But if JohnG is correct, then in that case I must add 2 seconds, (60 frames?) to the video track in order to get the video back in sync with the audio track.
Does this sound right? Which one is correct though?
MikeGunter, thanks for your reply too, but I really prefer to sing and perform live on my videos. I know most of the "pros" do the lip-synch thing, but I prefer the live performance feel I get by doing it live!
Thanks so much guys!
The answer lies in the shortened/lengthened video track, due to the adding/overlapping of time by the transisions.
The only problem is, TJ2 says the transisions lengthen the video track, and JohnG says the transisions overlap the video track and therefor shorten it!
Which one is correct?
It sounds easer to cut 1 second/30 frames off the video then add... But I will do what I have to do to make this work.If the transision is 2 seconds, then as TJ2 suggested, I need to cut 2 seconds (60 frames?) of time off the video. But if JohnG is correct, then in that case I must add 2 seconds, (60 frames?) to the video track in order to get the video back in sync with the audio track.
Does this sound right? Which one is correct though?
MikeGunter, thanks for your reply too, but I really prefer to sing and perform live on my videos. I know most of the "pros" do the lip-synch thing, but I prefer the live performance feel I get by doing it live!
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THoff
Another thing you can do is split the audio from the video, then click "Change Playback Speed" for the audio track, and enter a duration that matches the length of the video including the transitions. If we are talking about changing the length of the audio for a 10 minute video, nobody will notice the slight change in speed.
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Ray Musicbear
After doing some testing, I beleive that JohnG is correct...
The transisitions overlap the preceding and succeeding clips.
That said, then in order to keep the video in sync with the
audio, I must shorten the preceding video by 15 frames,
and add 15 frames to the beginning of the succeeding clip.
Now, considering that the frame rate is 29.97 fps, not 30 fps,
my video and audio are still going to be somewhat out of sync,
and the more transisions I add, the more this problem will
increase!
Geeze, isn't there an easier way to do this?
How do the pros who do music videos over come this problem?
THoff, good idea, I need to try that one too! How do I change
the playback speed for the split audio track?
The transisitions overlap the preceding and succeeding clips.
That said, then in order to keep the video in sync with the
audio, I must shorten the preceding video by 15 frames,
and add 15 frames to the beginning of the succeeding clip.
Now, considering that the frame rate is 29.97 fps, not 30 fps,
my video and audio are still going to be somewhat out of sync,
and the more transisions I add, the more this problem will
increase!
Geeze, isn't there an easier way to do this?
How do the pros who do music videos over come this problem?
THoff, good idea, I need to try that one too! How do I change
the playback speed for the split audio track?
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Trevor Andrew
Hi Ray
You split audio in order to edit the audio, clean the track.
(Don’t know how you exported the split audio????)
Once clean.
You use the cleaned track in your 3 min video clip.
The project plays in sync, without beeping, ok
At this point and before adding transitions go to Share ‘Create video File’
This will combine the new clean audio to the existing video, and should be in sync’
Start a new project using the file created above.
Cut the clip into three adding transitions.
Go to share 'create Video File, this will make a new file of your finished project.
Does this help.
By the way adding transitions reduces the length of the video clip.
Trevor
You split audio in order to edit the audio, clean the track.
(Don’t know how you exported the split audio????)
Once clean.
You use the cleaned track in your 3 min video clip.
The project plays in sync, without beeping, ok
At this point and before adding transitions go to Share ‘Create video File’
This will combine the new clean audio to the existing video, and should be in sync’
Start a new project using the file created above.
Cut the clip into three adding transitions.
Go to share 'create Video File, this will make a new file of your finished project.
Does this help.
By the way adding transitions reduces the length of the video clip.
Trevor
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Ray Musicbear
Hi Trevor,
I'm going to take your advice and give your method a try; it certainly sounds like a great idea!
You asked about the audio...
I didn't "export" it... I split the audio from the video, and that created a .wav file in "My Library." I processed the .wav file in CoolEdit Pro. Finally, I relinked the processed .wav file in UVS8, in the music track.
I'm only half-way through with editing my video in UVS, so it will be a few days before I get around to trying your advice, before I add the transistions. I will let you know, here in this "thread," how it all went. I'm excited to try it out, it sure beats trying to trim each clip. I went crazy trying that last night! And, let's face it, I really do want transistions, they add so much more flavour to the finished product.
Thanks Again...
I'm going to take your advice and give your method a try; it certainly sounds like a great idea!
You asked about the audio...
I didn't "export" it... I split the audio from the video, and that created a .wav file in "My Library." I processed the .wav file in CoolEdit Pro. Finally, I relinked the processed .wav file in UVS8, in the music track.
I'm only half-way through with editing my video in UVS, so it will be a few days before I get around to trying your advice, before I add the transistions. I will let you know, here in this "thread," how it all went. I'm excited to try it out, it sure beats trying to trim each clip. I went crazy trying that last night! And, let's face it, I really do want transistions, they add so much more flavour to the finished product.
Thanks Again...