Your input please: MSP to VideoStudio "PRO"?

[John Reid]

It is with abject horror that I have just learned that MSP is to be discontinued. I have scanned the many, many posts in this thread but I have not had time to read all of them. Can a newbie to this forum ask for help in deciphering what's going on?

-- where and how was this announced, and how come as a registered user I got no notification?
-- does this mean our investment dies with no offer of compensation from Corel?
-- what are others doing for alternatives? What experiences have people had with non-ULead/Corel products?

I beg forgiveness if this is not the right place to ask such things.
A sad state of affairs indeed.

And to answer the question, would I be interested in a "pro" version of VS? Well I got rid of VS initially in favour of MSP, so if VS has a version that is at least as good as MSP, then yes ... but the crossgrade (downgrade?) price had better be very special!

[MrA]

-- where and how was this announced, and how come as a registered user I got no notification?
-- does this mean our investment dies with no offer of compensation from Corel?
-- what are others doing for alternatives? What experiences have people had with non-ULead/Corel products?

Was annouced a while back..

2nd question... nah, not really. Maybe money wise, but, not mechanical wise. I.e., you learned a major step in editing video. What you learned will go forth with ANY video editing software. All that will be new is the "mechanics" of that software.

For your 3rd question, I already use Final Cut Pro.. Looking forward to attending the next available learning session. (somewhere in the south USA)

[Wim Kok]

So gang - here's your chance:
If you were told that there was a POSSIBILITY of a super-duper
"Prosumer" version of Ulead VideoStudio with a bunch of MSP features rolled into it, ... what features would you want in there, in order of priority? What are the "cannot live without" stuff, what
are the "that would be nice to have" stuff?

Let's hear it from the real users out there.

Best regards

Tobie Openshaw

Message to: the Corel Corporation
for the attention of: Tobie Openshaw, Marketing Manager of the former Ulead range of products now a part of Corel.


Tobie,

With this message, you really activated the ¡§real ULEAD-users¡¨ indeed. Apart from our response and suggestions as the Dutch ULEAD User Group, a great number of very experienced MSP-users responded in a positive and loyal way. You were provided with a lot of suggestions and possible ideas on the question of how to upgrade MSP8 to the ¡§super-duper Prosumer¡¨ which you have (or in the meantime had??) in mind.
Raising the question in the way and the tone you did, you pretended to start a serious action, thus creating hope and expectations for Corel/Ulead MSP8 users.

Today, more than 2 months after you created these feelings, we all still live in a considerable uncertainty as to whether there will be a future for us at Corel or not. What is the real situation when it comes to the combination Tobie---Corel---MSP(10??)?
No doubt you will have read yourself that, due to your (or Corel¡¦s) policy of radio silence over the last two months, the situation has not improved but even grown worse. Whether this Corel attitude, resulting in the growing number of disappointments in the Corel User Web Board will be a contribution to the Corel image, is an open question. From marketing point of view however we can absolutely not understand the Corel attitude in the MSP matter as this is practiced at the moment.
Besides that, we believe it¡¦s not unfair that we expect that to a normal PR-policy and behaviour of a company, belongs the minimum courtisy to keep in contact with those customers where you asked for help and which help was given in such a positiv manner.

Anyhow, in order to see to it that we can follow the fast developments in the editing-world, we have to know into which direction Corel will go. We have to make our investments in up-to-date software and therefore we must know whether Corel ¡§joins the prosumer party¡¨ or will leave this segment, as well as his Ulead customers, to the competition.

Don¡¦t be astonished, now that you seem not to take the communication with your prosumer-market as serious as you pretended with your message as quoted, we and the rest of the Ulead world will have to decide based on our own assumptions like:
1) Tobie¡¦s message of 13 nov. 2007 was serious and the outcome of a thought-out decision inside Corel marketing and development.
2) If 1) is right, Corel needs time and can not communicate for reasons of competition.
3) If 1) and 2) are right, development takes place at the moment, using all expertise you received after your message.
4) If 3) is a right assumption, possibly the development has been stopped in the meantime, for whatever reason and you decided not to report this to your clients.
5) If all previous assumptions are incorrect, there might be a possibility that you Tobie, tried to raise an approval and budget for an upgrade of MSP8 on the management-floor, but failed.
6) If also the assumption 5) is incorrect, it could have been an attempt of you Tobie to kill all rumors and negativ info¡¦s about MSP, creating (idle???) hope.
7) You, Tobie, knew from the beginning that there was no future for MSP8 and you decided to involve your customers in determining the colour of the MSP8-coffin.
8) Last assumption is that Tobie is no longer responsable and the Corel¡¦s marketing departement has a strong believe in the blooper that Ulead prosumers are going to accept VS 11.

If you ignore a good customer-relation, Tobie, assumptions like 1) ¡V 8) are the result and we certainly can not accept the actual situation. So we ask you very urgently, in the interest of all mug¡¦s, to respond to this message in one way or another.
This sincere question can not be judged as unfair in the light of the abovementioned arguments. Give us your answer, let¡¦s say within 14 day.
In case you prefer to persist in radiosilence, all Ulead-users might understand that also as a signal, but more like ¡§Gang, make your own choice from 4 to 8 and forget the subject¡¨.
Best regards,

On behalf of the D.U.U.G. den Dolder Netherlands
Wim Kok

[Brian Cadoret]

The 14 day request has gone and as expected no reply.
My next video software purchase will not be with Corel.
Regards
Mr Brian cadoret

[sjj1805]

Tobie Openshaw (BigNoseTW) has not logged onto the forum since Wed Nov 21, 2007 7:55 am . It is of course possible he may be simply reading the posts as a guest (i.e. not logged on)

[Black Lab]

I was wondering the same thing just a week or so ago. I simply PM'd Tobie and asked him what the status was. Tobie was kind enough to answer me within a day or two.

Tobie informed me that the Prosumer version is nowhere near a reality, if at all. As a current user of VS, he advised me to continue to upgrade to new versions rather than wait for the Pro version. A sales/marketing ploy to get every dollar possible? I doubt it.

I am disappointed that Corel would drop a successful (in terms of how it works, not necessarily sales) app, then tease us with "rumors" of a Pro VS, with obviously no real intent on following thru anytime soon.

[Arekwp]

Corel does not answer on technical interrogations (queries) concerning it product. I have reported errors in july 2007 and lack of answer.

[Wim Kok]

Tobie Openshaw (BigNoseTW) has not logged onto the forum since Wed Nov 21, 2007 7:55 am . It is of course possible he may be simply reading the posts as a guest (i.e. not logged on)

I have seen earlier that sometimes you protect Tobie more or less, but with post nr. 74421 (jan 30) in the mug-sw he responded to my message of jan 28 in this forum with a promise to be back within "some of those 14 day's." So the reaction of Brian Cadoret is very understandable and Tobie's roll of "only a guest" is not true, neither is his radio-silence appreciated. In the meantime it looks like hide and seek with ULEAD-customers when it comes to the future of MSP8 and that is what ULEAD users disapprove. I also start to believe now, it is the most wise decision to say good bye to Corel and focus on other sources. But stating that, it is still unbelievable that a high tech company like Corel acquired ULEAD with all it's know how and then decides to send a magnificant piece of NLE-software down the drain. I should like to have an explanation from Ottawa in this matter, because obviously Tobie is'nt in the position to stop this nonsense. Perhaps the management-floor in Canada can bring the truth in this very unpleasant way of dealing with customer-interests, if Tobie indeed is not willing or not in the postion to tell the truth.
But I fear that that my post of jan. 28 in this forum and particularly 4) up to 8) was a correct interpretation of the MSP8 soap Corel is playing.
On behalf of the D.U.U.G. den Dolder Netherlands
Wim Kok

[troppo]

It would be cool if Corel decided to use the MSP8 code as a base to release a kick *** professional editor. Something up there with the big names. But then it would be a Corel product, which would disqualify a bunch of you guys from using it, seeing as you've decided to boycott Corel.

[Wim Kok]

It would be cool if Corel decided to use the MSP8 code as a base to release a kick a** professional editor. Something up there with the big names. But then it would be a Corel product, which would disqualify a bunch of you guys from using it, seeing as you've decided to boycott Corel.

Hey Troppo, your message is¡¦nt very fair towards all MSP users, who have tried in this forum to respond to Corel¡¦s request (Tobie) for help in designing a professional editor.
Who is putting a boycott on who? Wake up man, your ¡§boycott¡¨ suggests that we should not be willing to buy from Corel, but the actual situation is that Corel simply seems to drop, his Ulead-MSP-customers, certainly by persisting in radio-silence.
Neither your message, nor this one, are contributions to the real problem and that is the answer to the concern of Corel customers about the future of MSP. All posts over the last months have proven that the world is waiting for a positive message from Corel and the outcome is a signallack of interest and respect from that side. You can really not understand that MSP users are disappointed since they are forced by Corel to say good-bye to them?
If so, ok but don¡¦t raise the suggestion of a boycott from our side. I ask you again where is the boycott? If this post helps in finding a fair answer yourself it still was a contribution.
Wim Kok

[Devil]

Without exaggeration. Corel does not answer on questions. Has no information of modernization of product. How is possible it to boycott something not has what?

You sail dangerously close to the rocks of Moderators' wrath. Be very careful or you may get suspended, banned or your posts may get deleted for justified reasons of breaking the forum rules.

[Arekwp]

I risk . Corel keeps silent or it about that confirm write. There is not funny even. Forum has to be as for exchange of opinion. My opinion is that be but it is genuine.
I have questioned Corel in july 2007. Has not was answered I for today.
WHY ?

[sjj1805]

I risk . Corel keeps silent or it about that confirm write. There is not funny even. Forum has to be as for exchange of opinion. My opinion is that be but it is genuine.
I have questioned Corel in july 2007. Has not was answered I for today.
WHY ?

Since the Release of MediaStudio 8 there have been two changes of ownership.
1st was Intervideo
2nd Corel.
Also since then Microsoft have released Microsoft Vista.

There have been changes of software development staff and also the New Owners Corel have to look at sales -v- production costs.
No matter what our members think, if Corel do not consider that the costs involved in producing either service packs or new version will create a profit they are not going to do so.

Tobie Openshaw is a cog in the wheel, He is attempting to establish from our members if there is sufficient support for a super duper version of VideoStudio in an attempt to bridge the gap between the Senior Management at Corel and our forum membership.

Tobie is trying to get us something better than what VideoStudio provides in the knowledge that future development of MediaStudio is dead.

You can either try and help Tobie fight his case (on our behalf) or you can simply mock and ridicule. If you choose the latter then if I were Tobie I do not think I would bother pushing the idea any further forward.

I am sure that many of our members are employed as opposed to being self employed. To those members I ask that you stop and think of the number of things you see at your workplace that you disagree with or think could be done differently. So what have you done about those things.
1. Nothing - why not - could it be because you thought you would be ridiculed?
2. Attempted to instigate changes - Did they take up your suggestion(s) and if so what resistance or thanks was given?

Come on, give Tobie some support on this suggestion.

[donny1959]

Far be it for me to dash water on the flames here, but this thread reached its zenith several pages ago. The comments seem stuck in an anger/denial loop that isn't going anywhere.

Corel is going to do what they perceive to be best for them whether we like it or not. Sadly, it seems we must watch a fine product fall farther and farther behind current NLEs.

The real value of MSP isn't in the code but in communities like this. I visit here nearly every day and always learn something new. Cheers to the moderators and the experts.

Now, can we talk about something else?

[m rixon]

If this thread is not completely dead may I suggest a compromise that will satisfy most of us users and hopefully allow Corel to make a few dollars or pounds.
Why not make just a few small improvements,correct some of the complaints that have been highlighted, make the program Vista compatible,
call it MediaStudio Pro 9 charge about ¢G100/¢G200 .
Corel could probably do all the above in no time at all and at very little cost.Put it in a shiny new box and we would all be happy.
Well some of us would be a little happier anyway.
Maybe just make it Vista compatible for ¢G20 as an update.Surely they would make enough money then.