Your input please: MSP to VideoStudio "PRO"?

[Bignosetw]

So gang - here's your chance:
If you were told that there was a POSSIBILITY of a super-duper
"Prosumer" version of Ulead VideoStudio with a bunch of MSP features rolled into it, ... what features would you want in there, in order of priority? What are the "cannot live without" stuff, what
are the "that would be nice to have" stuff?

Let's hear it from the real users out there.

Best regards

Tobie Openshaw

[Devil]

I won't repeat what I said elsewhere.

[RickinSav'h]

This is exciting!!
I don't care what they call it MSP or VSP, whatever.
This is the first positive sign I've seen for the continuation of Ulead / Corel's pro line of video editing. And, they want our imput!!

What's the "POSSIBLE" release date? Should I put it on my Christmas list for 2007?

Even if you have discussed this in the past, it only takes a minute to cut & paste here. Let's not miss this oportunity!

Key frames on video filters, moving paths, overlays, transitions.
99 video / audio tracks.
Multiple time lines
Smart Compositor

The highest version of Video Studio I own is 8. So if some of the above is in version 11 opps! I also own a couple competitors consumer products, Pinnicle Studio 10.7 plus, Premiere Elements 2, Photodex Producer 3.1.
MSP 8 rocks & I'm looking forward to Ulead's / Corel's release, I mean POSSIBLE release, of the next generation of Pro Level video Editing software, YES!

[rwernyei]

Take note of the word "prosumer" as compared to "professional". Media Studio Pro has always been marketed as Ulead's flagship "professional" editor. This makes me question what will be added to this new "prosumer" product. Basically, Video Studio with just a couple of features integrated from MSP8 and other new features forced by the emerging new technology. All this amounts to is an intermediate editor marketed to have some of the features of higher-end editors but not the price. Looks like Corel/Ulead is happy with targeting the entry-level market and has stopped competing in the "professional" video industry altogether.

Sad to see an innovative company(Ulead) had smart rendering technology, third-party plugin support, frameservers, etc... has taken a HUGE step backward.

[troppo]

Umm, how about everything that is in MSP8 right now, but add lots more stuff, like bezier curves to moving paths, ease in ease out, multicam editor etc...
No point in going backwards to an inferior product. Lets go forwards.

[MrA]

So gang - here's your chance:
If you were told that there was a POSSIBILITY of a super-duper
"Prosumer" version of Ulead VideoStudio with a bunch of MSP features rolled into it, ... what features would you want in there, in order of priority? What are the "cannot live without" stuff, what
are the "that would be nice to have" stuff?

Let's hear it from the real users out there.

Best regards

Tobie Openshaw

Wow, thats a really hard question to answer. Especially "a bunch of MSP features" part. Would you think I would want a watered down MSP?

I want to move forward a step, not back a half step. You must be a newbie to the company, not flaming you, just my guess. (well yea, that was a flame)

You understand that ALL that MSP offers is a requiem. From interaction with Cool3dPS to Vid Graphics Lab and Photoimpact?

I'd like to see more improvements, I love the software. (Like multi-cam editing.)

I already have Apple's Final Cut on Apple's platform, I'd love to see a MSP version on Windows platform that performs like that. Sony already bugging me to buy their stuff at $150 bucks more than MSP and does a LOT of what Final does.

The only, and I mean ONLY thing that keeps me away from Sony, is the interaction between MSP, Vid Lab, Cool3dPs, and PhotoImpact, not to mention DVD Workshop 2. With that, my money was well spent, my customers love the end result, and everyone happy. (I use VS10 only for stills, btw).

Since I use VS10 only for still montages, I probably would not buy a prosumer version of VS, unless you really take the software to a "real" prosumer level.

BTW, I define a "real" prosumer level as doing video for a living, making money at it, using very expensive cameras, very expensive lighting, expensive dollys, expensive sets, etc.

Regards
Herb Brown
Coastal Video Productions

[MrA]

I want to appologize for the "newbie" statement. I am actually more a newb than Toby. I let sentiments fog my thoughts, and this is a no no, considering it's a business venture for me and Corel.

Basically, let me put it in MY business perspective. I have great software to get the job done. It would be great, if I have, what I have, plus more, not what I have plus less. My biggest expense at the moment, is not software, but hardware. So, paying or buying software that does LESS than what I have is a no brainer.

Sorry for the flame Toby..

[sjj1805]

Tobie Openshaw is the Marketing Manager of the former Ulead range of products now a part of Corel. He is listed on the Internet Movie Database
http://uk.imdb.com/name/nm0649074/ He is also an Administrator of this User forum. You can find examples of his expertise here:
Video: Compare MediaStudio to VideoStudio.

I anticipated the possibility of a Super Version of VideoStudio several months ago as shown in this post:
NEW OWNERS...?? Corel Corporation

There is a mirror of this thread in the VideoStudio Forum and I have made an initial post of my thoughts here

[rwernyei]

Troppo,
Tobie started this posting at the MUG forum a couple of days ago. One question I asked is the price range of this new product. I have not heard anything. Reason being, if the price is going to be only $30-50 more than Video Studio, then I fear it will not be much of a product at all. No need wasting money there, spend it on bigger and better toys.

In a perfect world, I would like to see Corel/Ulead actually make a product that competes in the "professional" arena. In my MUG post, I suggested for Corel/Ulead to first integrate all of Vegas's features into this new product and then ask the loyal user base for what else. This way they can win back users they have lost to Vegas due to its similar user-interface and again gain the respect in the video industry like it had in the earlier years of MSP. MSP used to have an array of third-party plugin support, Videomaker advertising, publications, web reviews, frameservers, etc...

I guess just wishful thinking. End of dream. POOF!

[Bignosetw]

Hi Herb

No offense taken and thanks for the apology. I know where you are coming from. In fact, I just wish there were more people like you, then maybe we wouldn't be having this conversation. I've been working on MSP since before version 7 and it is dear to my heart.
Please note that my post is a tentative, ¡§let¡¦s see if there¡¦s a market for something that would satisfy a large percetage of our loyal MSP users, but which is more profitable than MSP¡¨, and is not to be construed as a statement of intent; it is merely exploratory. As such, I welcome any and all responses I have received so far and am summarizing and passing them on. I will keep you guys posted on any developments.

Best regards

Tobie

[MrA]

With all that said, and after thinking more on this. My vote would be a yes, only if you continue support for the other products that would integrate with a new version. (Cool 3dPS, DVD WS2, Vid Lab, PI,etc..)

What I find I use the most in MSP is ..
Batch rendering
Moving paths
Overlays
Virtual Clips
Cues (Please add support for audio cues!)

Please keep the way the timeline edits and overlaps (all the features)

Add multi cam editing, drag and drop while viewing to the timeline

Add batch rendering to Cool 3d PS!

I am sure I am leaving tons of stuff out. Oh yea, make it work with Vista the first time..

[Helge]

Why should anybody who owns MSP8 spent 1£á or 1$ for a "downgrade"?
Even if this would run under vista?
I would much prefer more and better features and perhaps running under linux. (Since for new hardware there are often no more xp-drivers and I dont like the gameware vista.) This could be a big market.
I agree with Devil not to repeat all wishes and known bugs which many people including me have allready posted several times here in this forum and / or directly to Ulead (e.g. during beta-test of the service pack). Please search for the wishlists and reported bugs. And note: some wishes regard no new features but just an improved and more intuitive UI.

BUT FIRST OF ALL FIX THE BUGS!!

This forum has one great disadvantage: If you post a bug report at once a lot of helpful people tell you workarounds. So Corel/Ulead beliefs that there would not be any need to fix the bug. Sometimes I wished people would instead verify the bug and demand Corel/Ulead to fix it. Since even with existing workarounds bugs are killing nervs and time.

[Wim Kok]

So gang - here's your chance:
If you were told that there was a POSSIBILITY of a super-duper
"Prosumer" version of Ulead VideoStudio with a bunch of MSP features rolled into it, ... what features would you want in there, in order of priority? What are the "cannot live without" stuff, what
are the "that would be nice to have" stuff?

Let's hear it from the real users out there.

Best regards

Tobie Openshaw

Tobie, it¡¦s not only our chance...it¡¦s also yours!!

We got the ¡§chance¡¨-message and I write ¡§we¡¨ since I represent the Dutch ULEAD-User-Group. This group is functioning already for about a decade, all members are very actif in their own video-clubs, all over the country. Since we all ¡§produce¡¨ in the video world on a high quality-level, you can see us as ¡§pro-sumers¡¨, consequently working with video-editing software of ULEAD that can meet the standards we need. Already for about 10 years we therefore work with MediaStudio Pro. Our members who joined our group in the very beginning, even worked with the version MSP 2.5 where the output was still on S-VHS. All ULEAD-developments have been applied since then, every group-member is working now with MSP 8 and MovieFactory 6 (only the last 75 or so still with MF 5).
So far our introduction to you but not without a special copy out of the ¡§minutes of our last meeting¡¨. We all had the feeling that Corel¡¦s acquisition of ULEAD, could work out very beneficial for ULEAD-users. For, this acquisition in our opinion, offered a substantial added value to ULEAD and their activities in the digital media market, thanks to new blood and capital to upgrade the ULEAD-software. We also had the feeling that Corel could use this opportunity to make the ULEAD ¡§high-end¡¨ software MediaStudio Pro and not the ¡§low-end¡¨ versions VideoStudio only, more competitive to the others like Adobe or Pinnacle. These guys are waiting for your failures in the ¡§high end¡¨ market and ready to take that market in Europe. And since this is our concern, we, as the Dutch ULEAD User Group will comment on your ¡§chance-message¡¨ which we understood as a cry for help. We will do so, because it¡¦s a shared problem. We will try to give help indeed with constructive suggestions, assuming that the chance you offered is a serious one. This because we feel that the capital investment Corel made, does not justify the damage to the Ulead market-share that arises at the moment by offering ¡§Prosumers¡¨ a £á 60,- tool where the timeline is almost a replica of the timeline in the ¡§Edit-Room¡¨ of MovieFactory6 and ¡§dual-view¡¨ is impossible !!! We are no longer on the ¡§Movie Maker¡¨ level, you know. It¡¦s also somewhat naive to believe that a film of the International Tallship Race and Show ¡§Sail Amsterdam¡¨, the footage was taken with 20 camera¡¦s and succesfully edited in MSP, could have been produced with VideoStudio in whatever version.
After our 8 december meeting we will come back with our comments a.s.a.p.to you Tobie and to all other worried ULEAD users. Tobie, we would appreciate your personal reaction to our concern and hope we keep in touch with each other, since we have arrived at a very crucial point for us and Corel/MSP!
On behalf of D.U.U.G. Den Dolder, the Netherlands
Wim Kok

[skyml]

Just release MSP 9 and get it over with!

Nested timelines, everything in the right cllick menu on the timeline (especially freeze frame, slow motion, attributes), customizable interface (undockable windows).... gee, if I had a copy on this computer I could go into it and tell you more - been too long waiting to remember anymore! (Why am I still here then?)

Mike Lanfor

[sjj1805]

..... I represent the Dutch ULEAD-User-Group. .....

Is that a user forum like this one, or have you a web site. If so I will add it to our links to other similar forums.