Sync two cameras, audio, and crossfade ? help?

skier-hughes · Post by **skier-hughes** » Thu Nov 01, 2007 4:53 pm

Yep, that'll work, wonder why I never thought of it as a more practical way instead of lugging a pc around the country

Let us know how it goes.

kermitdafrog · Post by **kermitdafrog** » Thu Nov 01, 2007 6:01 pm

I probably had every other cable known to man, except a 4-pin to 4-pin 1394 so I ran out during lunch and $22 later ...

I rationalized buying it by reminding myself that my Notebook has a 4-pin 1394 port and I didn't have a cable

skier-hughes · Post by **skier-hughes** » Thu Nov 01, 2007 6:30 pm

I hate having to go out and buy things that I may not need again.

My wife kindly reminds me I've been in a bad mood for two days at least trying to figure a way of doing it with what I have, if I cost the job on a man hours spent I'll be way in the red on profit, so just go buy one and get it out the way!!!!!!!!!!

kermitdafrog · Post by **kermitdafrog** » Thu Nov 01, 2007 6:48 pm

Had my notebook not had the 4-pin I probably wouldn't have bought the cable, but now that I have the cable, I might start using the port.

Roger on the man hour cost. Good thing it's not my day job.

kermitdafrog · Post by **kermitdafrog** » Fri Nov 02, 2007 4:01 am

Well, I revisited cam1 tonight and did a DV transfer from it to my camera and came home then transferred to my HD. I'll start playing with the VS11 edit probably tomorrow night.

Oh yeah, I took a look at the make/model and it's a Sony HVR-Z1N
http://www.dv.com/reviews/reviews_item. ... =163105790

Rick

kermitdafrog · Post by **kermitdafrog** » Fri Nov 02, 2007 5:20 am

I decided to play with it a little tonight before hitting the hay, and right now I'm a little dissappointed.

Here's my approach so far:

I laid down track #1 as the VS video track (that's cam1, the track with no audio that I revisited tonight), track #2 as VS overlay, (that's cam2, my Canon ZR10 as an overlay which has audio), and then the VS voice track (which was the mixer board audio of the whole ceremony). The voice track has got to run uninterrupted throughout the whole thing, so I need to "master" to that. I chose the cam1 video with no audio as the main video track since it started before and ended after cam2 and gave me my playing field.

For now, to get me in the ball park, I'm gonna assume that all three devices ran at exactly the same speed, so my main objective right now is to make sure all three tracks are synchronized. After I find a "synch mark", I need to "scoot" the tracks left or right until the lips match the sound track.

Day before yesterday, with another software package (not a commercial giant), I used the audio waveforms from cam2 and the voice track to scoot them around and sync those two up, which took a couple of minutes.

I tried the same thing with VS, but seem to lack the skill to do it. When I zoom in closer in "audio view" to fine tune it, the track I'm trying to move jumps over and sets it's start point at the cursor as soon as I let off the mouse button, and then I don't know where "I'm at" (pardon the grammar).

Also, I'm having difficulty getting used to it jumping from "clip" mode back to "project" mode when I do some operations, so I keep modifying something incorrectly wondering what I did wrong until I remember that.

Right now it's probably just a learning curve thing, but it looks kinda steep, and not having a help file with VS11 demo ain't making it easier.

Rick

sjj1805 · Post by **sjj1805** » Fri Nov 02, 2007 5:30 am

I remember having a similar 'jump' problem when doing a slide show and found that you have to make sure the playhead is a short distance away from where you place a cue mark, otherwise when you move the video it jumps to the playhead position rather than the cue mark.

Otherwise you appear to be doing it the way I would.

kermitdafrog · Post by **kermitdafrog** » Sat Nov 03, 2007 4:24 am

First of all, I'd like to thank you folks for letting me whine and pointing me in a couple of productive directions ...

And second, I'd like to say:

YES!!!

It worked itself out in spite of myself

When I started again from scratch this afternoon after work around 4:30, with the cam1 tape I re-recorded onto my camcorder last night, the synch worked out within a a millisecond or two for the three sources, which was easy to correct. I was watching the DVD by about 10:15 (from VSP to burn took about 1:15 for a 33 minute video)

I didn't do any editing other than remove some stuff from cam2 from the effects track for now, but I burned straight from the VSP to get a preliminary and it is ready to add foo-foo to if'n and when I want. At least I have something in my hand that's that's viewable in case I get squashed by a truck.

Thanks,

Rick

skier-hughes · Post by **skier-hughes** » Sat Nov 03, 2007 10:47 am

excellent news

kermitdafrog · Post by **kermitdafrog** » Sun Nov 04, 2007 3:28 am

Made some more progress today ... spent another 10 hours or so

(I only ate once today, my car is still dead in the driveway, so will ride the motorcycle to work again this week, and I think I'm still married)

It's workin' but I'm spending a lot of time trying to figure out how to go about what I want to do, and backing up to a second and third VSP file so I don't blow up what I've already done while learning.

The Honeymooners just got back in town today ... at least I have something to show them if they ask

Rick

Post by **Ron P.** » Sun Nov 04, 2007 11:33 am

kermitdafrog wrote: It's workin' but I'm spending a lot of time trying to figure out how to go about what I want to do, and backing up to a second and third VSP file so I don't blow up what I've already done while learning.
Rick

Just use the Save as, and give it new name. For example, you're working on Wedding Ceremony.vsp. To create an additional back-up, just save it as let's say Wedding Ceremony-1.vsp. You should now have the first file Wedding Ceremony.vsp, and Wedding Ceremony-1.vsp. You could then before creating your Video file (share>create video) save it as Wedding Ceremony-Final.vsp

kermitdafrog · Post by **kermitdafrog** » Mon Nov 05, 2007 1:24 pm

Yup, being a really Nervous Nellie by now, that's what I did. Once I got the sync part right, which is what ate most of the week, I rendered/burned it to DVD, plus saved it to a different name. I figured if I really hosed something up I could at least start over again from that part.

QUESTION: After the video portion, I added a slide show and reused one of the songs from the ceremony as underscore. At the beginning of this section I added a chapter mark. If I burn again straight from VSP, will this chapter mark show up as a chapter on the DVD, or is it there just as a reminder when authoring later?

edit--> Disregard ... I just answered my own question (again). The chapter mark didn't show as a chapter on the DVD intro screen, but it did allow me to skip directly to that point on the DVD.

Rick

MrA · Post by **MrA** » Wed Nov 07, 2007 2:08 am

With all the replies, and very much on target, here are a couple links that further the thought process. It's from a video mag rag that I buy, and, the advice is really good..

First link.. http://www.videomaker.com/article/12970/

Second link, and this one cool.. http://www.videomaker.com/article/13053/

If either url does not work, let me know..

Black Lab · Post by **Black Lab** » Wed Nov 07, 2007 2:22 am

Not to take this off subject, but Videomaker is my video Bible. I read it cover to cover in a matter of hours, then have to wait 29 days for the next issue.

sjj1805 · Post by **sjj1805** » Wed Nov 07, 2007 2:31 am

Some interesting observations in the second link about the 180 degree factor.
Compare that though to a different situation as outlined in the second link of this post:

Movie Maker Techniques