Is it worth changeing from 10+ to 11+

JohnWB · Post by **JohnWB** » Wed Oct 24, 2007 8:32 am

Could anyone tell me what are the main changes between 10+ & 11+ and is it worth upgrading for general us using a Sony DCR HC47 DV camcorder.
It would seem looking through the forum posts that 11+ is less reliable than 10+ or is that not the case

JohnWB · Post by **JohnWB** » Wed Oct 24, 2007 11:02 am

Anyone please

Post by **lancecarr** » Wed Oct 24, 2007 11:26 am

The short answer from my perspective is no.
I have a standard definition Video cam and VS11+ does nothing that I can't do with 10+. Even if I went to high definition I would still use 10+ because I would only deal with high defintion MPEG2's for editing anyway.
11 in itself has been a bit of a trainwreck for some as you have seen. Hopefully those people will be helped by the upcoming 11.5/patch. I have no plan to upgrade until there is something compelling me to do so and at this point in time there is nothing.

JohnWB · Post by **JohnWB** » Wed Oct 24, 2007 12:08 pm

Thanks for the reply, it has confirmed what I was thinking so I think 10+ is the way forward.
Is it worth adding the patch that came out for 10+.

Post by **Ken Berry** » Wed Oct 24, 2007 1:08 pm

The only reason I upgraded to 11+ was that it was fully compatible with Vista as I just got a new computer running Vista. But as Lance has indicated, otherwise, it is pretty much forgettable. For the basic editing of SD video, no problems, but it doesn't do it any better than VS10+. But to do even simple things that previous versions did, like capture analogue video as DV over a digital mini DV camera as pass through, or (in my case) a Sony Digital 8 camera with analogue 8mm tape playing in it or an analogue capture device which uses DV, forget it.

And that's not even getting into the thorny question of High Def video and the host of other problems that users have found.

We are all hoping beyond hope that the forthcoming release in early November of VS 11.5 will cure a lot of these ills. I for one, based on my previous experience with the product since VS7, am willing to suspend my disbelief until then. But there are just so many and varied problems with VS 11, that I have to tell you right here that I am not at all confident that, after the release of 11.5, there are not still going to be a lot of unhappy campers...

Clevo · Post by **Clevo** » Wed Oct 24, 2007 1:43 pm

From a different perspective:

I've never used any previous versions of VS and I bought VS11+.

I don;t have a back-log of analogue video I need to transfer and I don't have a HD camcorder. Just an good little MiniDV camcorder.

I haven't encountered any problems with VS11+ once I sorted out the initial installation problems. The more I learnt how to use it the more I enjoy VS11+

If what you have is working for you then I don't particularly see the need for you to upgrade.

JohnWB · Post by **JohnWB** » Wed Oct 24, 2007 2:32 pm

Thanks for the replies, all a great help, as usual with this forum.
Regards John

gordonwd · Post by **gordonwd** » Wed Oct 24, 2007 3:44 pm

My only reason for going from 10+ to 11+ was that 10+ consistently crashed on me -- something that had not happened in either VS8 or 9. It would often crash shortly after reopening projects that I had previously worked on, and nothing I tried would solve the problem consistently.

Anyway, VS11+ is at least stable in this regard, which makes it worth it for me even though I don't need any of its "new" features.

Black Lab · Post by **Black Lab** » Wed Oct 24, 2007 9:14 pm

Clevo wrote:From a different perspective:

I've never used any previous versions of VS and I bought VS11+.

I don;t have a back-log of analogue video I need to transfer and I don't have a HD camcorder. Just an good little MiniDV camcorder.

I haven't encountered any problems with VS11+ once I sorted out the initial installation problems. The more I learnt how to use it the more I enjoy VS11+

If what you have is working for you then I don't particularly see the need for you to upgrade.

Clevo, I see that you are using VS11+ on an XP machine, not Vista. I think a majority of the problems users face (in regard to v11) are attributable to the new Vista OS. Until those bugs are worked out, any software that is made for Vista could have problems.

Clevo · Post by **Clevo** » Thu Oct 25, 2007 2:11 am

Black Lab wrote:
Clevo wrote:From a different perspective:

I've never used any previous versions of VS and I bought VS11+.

I don;t have a back-log of analogue video I need to transfer and I don't have a HD camcorder. Just an good little MiniDV camcorder.

I haven't encountered any problems with VS11+ once I sorted out the initial installation problems. The more I learnt how to use it the more I enjoy VS11+

If what you have is working for you then I don't particularly see the need for you to upgrade.
Clevo, I see that you are using VS11+ on an XP machine, not Vista. I think a majority of the problems users face (in regard to v11) are attributable to the new Vista OS. Until those bugs are worked out, any software that is made for Vista could have problems.

That's true too. And I should have pointed that out.

I'm planning on buying a new system later this year and I'm tossing up between and XPpro64 or Vista. I can't decide which way to go

sjj1805 · Post by **sjj1805** » Thu Oct 25, 2007 2:57 am

Clevo wrote:I'm planning on buying a new system later this year and I'm tossing up between and XPpro64 or Vista. I can't decide which way to go

I have 4 computers one of which is WinXP/Vista multi boot, one other is XP and the remaining 2 are Vista Home Edition. My preferred operating system remains to be XP. This is due to the vast number of existent programs that either do not work with Vista or have issues. I am sure that in a few years time Vista will have improved but for the time being XP is more reliable.

mitcs0ke · Post by **mitcs0ke** » Thu Oct 25, 2007 3:37 am

Hi John:

I think its what ever you are comfortable with. If VS 10 is doing what you
want it to do, I would stay with it.

I Went from VS 7 on a Pentium 4, XP machine to VS 11 Plus on a Q6600 Quad Core Vista Home Premium machine and it has been like night and day.

There is so much more I can do now and I have not had the Vista problems that some seem to be having.

I have been working on a video for the daughter for halloween with all kinds of things I have learned to do with VS 11, like spooky titles, ghosts,
cloning, and chromakeying.

I love it

Clevo · Post by **Clevo** » Thu Oct 25, 2007 6:18 am

sjj1805 wrote:
Clevo wrote:I'm planning on buying a new system later this year and I'm tossing up between and XPpro64 or Vista. I can't decide which way to go
I have 4 computers one of which is WinXP/Vista multi boot, one other is XP and the remaining 2 are Vista Home Edition. My preferred operating system remains to be XP. This is due to the vast number of existent programs that either do not work with Vista or have issues. I am sure that in a few years time Vista will have improved but for the time being XP is more reliable.

I'm inclined to stay with XP and bump it up to the 64bit version on the new system. VS11+ says it's written to take advantage of the 64bit OS. Not sure if that improves performance on not.

Post by **Ken Berry** » Thu Oct 25, 2007 6:25 am

One of the problems with the 64 bit system in XP, I had thought, was that there weren't all that many programs written for it. Not sure what the case is now.

Clevo · Post by **Clevo** » Thu Oct 25, 2007 9:34 am

Ken Berry wrote:One of the problems with the 64 bit system in XP, I had thought, was that there weren't all that many programs written for it. Not sure what the case is now.

My understanding is that you can run 32bit programs fine in a 64bit OS but it doesn't take advantage of the ummm...what's the word...bonuses.

I need to double check to see if VS11+ can take advantage of the 64bit of if it's just "compatible"