HD DVD and AVCHD

[angelo913]

I created a AVCHD 4.7GB DVD disc that will not play with my HD DVD player it sees it as a CD.

When I try to use the HD DVD profile I can not select AVCHD encoding. What's the deal? Doesn't AVCHD work with HD DVD?

I bought MF6+ and plugin for this purpose, did I just waste my money? Will it be supported in the future or is there a "work-around"?

...Angelo

[neonbob]

Doesn't AVCHD work with HD DVD?

No... in fact it does not. HD DVD works with VC-1, mpeg2, AVC (not AVCHD... which is different)

AVCHD works with Blu Ray.

[etech6355]

Interesting that Toshiba hasn't joined this group yet, they probably will.

http://www.avchd-info.org/

The following companies have expressed support for the AVCHD format as of August 23, 2007

* Adobe Systems Incorporated
* Apple Inc.
* ArcSoft, Inc.
* Avid Technology, Inc.
* B.H.A Corporation
* CANON INC.
* Canopus Co., Ltd.
* CyberLink Corporation
* DigiOn, Inc.
* Focus Enhancements, Inc.
* FUNAI ELECTRIC CO., LTD.
* InterVideo, Inc.
* I-O DATA DEVICE, INC.
* MainConcept AG
* Nero AG
* NEC Electronics Corporation
* Pegasys Inc.
* Pinnacle Systems a division of Avid Technology
* PIONEER CORPORATION
* PIXELA CORPORATION
* PLANNET ASSOCIATE CO., LTD.
* SAMSUNG ELECTRONICS CO., LTD.
* SHARP CORPORATION
* Sonic Solutions
* Techno Mathematical Co., Ltd.
* tram, Inc.
* Ulead Systems, Inc.

[angelo913]

Doesn't AVCHD work with HD DVD?

No... in fact it does not. HD DVD works with VC-1, mpeg2, AVC (not AVCHD... which is different)

AVCHD works with Blu Ray.

Yes, know HD DVD supports VC-1, mpeg2, AVC. But isn't AVCHD the same as AVC since the AVCHD is using MainConcept's AVC encoder? Why doesn't MF6+ support AVC for HD DVD since HD DVD is currently limited to only red-laser DVD media? Why did BD get AVC support and HD DVD did not?

It looks like Ulead is ONLY authoring AVC for BD playback only. Ulead needs author AVC for HD DVD playback, which isn't supported with the current plugin release. Why??

....Angelo

[sjj1805]

What I did find interesting in that list is that the bottom entry still reads
Ulead Systems, Inc.

I was expecting it to read Corel.

[etech6355]

angelo913,
This is what I've found so far on this subject. These are Red Laser (DVD) media formats.
AVCHD is a disk format/structure containing AVC/H264 content Max bit-rate 18MBS. Playable in most Blu-Ray Disc Players.

HD REC is a disk format/structure containing AVC/H264 content Max Bit-rate of 13MBS (I think, don't know for sure) I would think this depends on the hd-dvd player.

Interesting specs I found on "Wikepedia" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HD_DVD#3x_DVD

HD REC
HD Rec is an extension of the HD DVD format for storing HD content on regular red laser DVDs using H.264/MPEG-4 AVC compression.[58]
It was approved by the DVD Forum on September 12, 2007 [59]

I would suggest to check with ulead products on a regular basis to see if this will be supported in a future update. Seems practical to implement since the multiplexing stage would put the AVC/H264 & Audio into an "EOV" container on a HD-DVD instead of Mpeg-2.

I guess the next question would be can the Toshibas play these discs back.

So you have been looking for software that can write the "HD REC" format on a standard dvd, single or dual-layer..
It's only going to get better (and more interesting!)

[angelo913]

When you compare BD specs to HD specs, HD has more completed specs. BD requires another profile upgrade.

I would like to know where in the BD specs it says it supports AVCHD on red-laser media, there is none. HD has more support for HD content on red-laser media than BD. To me this doesn't make sense.

I hope Ulead/Corel fixes or updates the plugin for HD AVC support.

...Angelo

[etech6355]

Toshibas new HD-DVD Recorder, records in the "HD REC" format, that is related to what you have been looking for.
http://www.cdrinfo.com/Sections/News/De ... wsId=21528

[etech6355]

angelo913,
How are you coming along trying to put avc on hd-dvd?
I've done it in the program, although rather advanced & not documented. They did just finalize the specs a month ago for this new format. Maybe I'm just tricky the software (or myself).

I do have some EVO containers now with avc/h264 in them but they are studdering during playback, not sure why.

Anyway, hang tight, I have a lot of testing to do in this area, with very limited time in my work schedule it's going to be at least a week before I can get another HD-DVD player, then see what encoding parameters the player will accept as a max-bit-rate for avc along with other avc encoding parameters. Not to mention whether the Toshs will even play it. Uncharted domains here.

I have to admit using a Blu-Ray player is much easier.

[neonbob]

I would like to know where in the BD specs it says it supports AVCHD on red-laser media, there is none. HD has more support for HD content on red-laser media than BD. To me this doesn't make sense.

There is no official spec listing for BD... and that's one of the BIG differences between BD and HD DVD

HD DVD has been much better at setting a written minimum standard.... while BD has been up in the air and all over. I'm not sure which format is actually better... or even if there is a "better" since they each have their own set of pros/cons. I do however prefer hd dvd BECAUSE they have set a minimum spec. I know that my red laser disks will always play in ANY hd dvd player. I can't say the same for BD though... and I have to be careful to check the specs on each BD player that I buy to make sure it does the job that I want.

This IMO... is what is really hurting BD. They have a lot of hardware out there to sell... but none of it fits together very well. You have to read the manual on this stuff carefully to ensure it's compatible with what you want.

[etech6355]

I need to find out the specs for avc on hd-dvd. My avc files in the evo container are studdering. I need to know the correct format the player expects to see, max-bit-rate, packet size, transport stream or program stream & audio specs.
The studdering issue lead me to believe there's a packetizing issue with my videos. What are the specs for the avc video that can be put on hd-dvd.