DivX upgrade kills DVDMF6 speed

zforray · Post by **zforray** » Thu Oct 04, 2007 3:46 pm

I downloaded and installed the latest DivX package. DVDMF6 rendering time has crawled to a speed so slow, it is useless.

Before the DivX package, rendering DivX/XviD movies to DVD took 1h10m. The same movie now takes 8h+.

I uninstalled the DivX package (using their uninstaller), un/reinstalled DVDM6, to no avail.

Before I uninstalled the DivX package, I could constantly see the "DivX Settings Manager" flashing like crazy (in my system tray) while the movie was being processed. Therefore, I figured it was causing the slowdown.

Any suggestions on how I can get back to where I was ?

etech6355 · Post by **etech6355** » Thu Oct 04, 2007 5:53 pm

Hi,
If you installed the Divx package on your computer it may be conflicting with the one that's distributed with MF. I would perform a search under where MF is installed using Divx as the search criteria. Normally C:\Program Files\Ulead Systems\Movie Factory ........
The 3 dll's should be listed in various directories. The one that's conflicting is probably in the main MF directory. Move these dll's to another location on your harddisk & reboot/restart windows. You want to move them so MF doesn't use them and uses the divx encoder package you purchased.

The files your looking for are named DivX_ul.dll , I had 3 on my installation.

Also, when encoding to the Divx format, there are settings you probably have to disable so the analyzer program doesn't kick in, that slows down the encoding and displays information during the encoding process.
Those settings may be in the encoders fine-tuning parameters or in the divx encoders setup screen.

Give that a try.

DVDDoug · Post by **DVDDoug** » Thu Oct 04, 2007 5:54 pm

rendering DivX/XviD movies to DVD took 1h10m

Are you making "regular" MPEG-2 DVDs, or DivX/Xvid DVDs? I think one hour is unusually quick for re-rendering to MPEG-2...

I don't use these formats myself, but from the other posts I've read, 8 hours seems typical for re-rendering ot MPEG-2. It seems like everybody who uses DivX/Xvid (with Movie Factory) complains about horrendous render times!

Or, have you tried one of your previous DivX/Xvid files? The format details might make a difference. For example, it might take longer if it has to change the resolution and framerate as well as the compression method.

zforray · Post by **zforray** » Fri Oct 05, 2007 12:28 am

Yes, this is taking two Xvid compressed AVI - 42-minutes viewing time each, and making a standard MPEG2 720-DVD from it. The time is usually for decompressing the AVIs.

That must be an awfully slow system or is having the issues I just stumbled upon. In fact, I was discontent with 1h48m (from the time I click on BURN to it saying it is finished) on my old Athlon X2/4200 so I upgraded to an Athlon X2/5600 which shaved off almost 30-minutes, until this issue with DivX. I have over 100 DVD to create. Already burned over 50, so these times are typical.

DVDDoug wrote:
rendering DivX/XviD movies to DVD took 1h10m
Are you making "regular" MPEG-2 DVDs, or DivX/Xvid DVDs? I think one hour is unusually quick for re-rendering to MPEG-2...

I don't use these formats myself, but from the other posts I've read, 8 hours seems typical for re-rendering ot MPEG-2. It seems like everybody who uses DivX/Xvid (with Movie Factory) complains about horrendous render times!

Or, have you tried one of your previous DivX/Xvid files? The format details might make a difference. For example, it might take longer if it has to change the resolution and framerate as well as the compression method.

sjj1805 · Post by **sjj1805** » Fri Oct 05, 2007 3:45 am

It sounds as though you have downloaded some DivX / Xvid files from the internet, typical file sizes are 700MB per hour.
"Normal" Video Editing programs can easily take 12 hours to convert that one hour video to MPEG2 and so you need to use a purpose built Divx to MPEG2 conversion program - these normally do the job in about 45 minutes to a hour and half dependant upon which one you have.

Some are free, some you have to purchase.
I tend to get good results using ConvertXtoDVD by VSO Software (not free). this produces a very basic DVD which I then convert the VOB files to MPEG2 by simply renaming the VOB extension to MPG.

zforray · Post by **zforray** » Fri Oct 05, 2007 4:30 am

Now I am really confused. How is it that I have consistently been taking less than 2-hours to convert 1h24m of XviD compressed files to a DVD and now it is taking ridiculously long because I accidentally responded to the offer to download DivX 6.7 which obviously installed something that has adversely effected my speed, but everyone seems to think the times I am getting now are "normal".

I don't accept this. There has to be a way to remove these unnecessary codecs or whatever has been done to screw up my system. I had already converted 20-such videos on my new machine, at 1h20m (and then I slightly overclocked the CPU and got to the new 1h8m time) until this happened.

If needed, I will do a complete, fresh reinstall of Windows on my new X2/5600 machine, to resolve this, although I was hoping not to go that time-consuming a route.

And yes, all of the DVD's created are viewable/normal.

sjj1805 wrote:It sounds as though you have downloaded some DivX / Xvid files from the internet, typical file sizes are 700MB per hour.
"Normal" Video Editing programs can easily take 12 hours to convert that one hour video to MPEG2 and so you need to use a purpose built Divx to MPEG2 conversion program - these normally do the job in about 45 minutes to a hour and half dependant upon which one you have.

Some are free, some you have to purchase.
I tend to get good results using ConvertXtoDVD by VSO Software (not free). this produces a very basic DVD which I then convert the VOB files to MPEG2 by simply renaming the VOB extension to MPG.

etech6355 · Post by **etech6355** » Fri Oct 05, 2007 4:10 pm

I don't accept this. There has to be a way to remove these unnecessary codecs or whatever has been done to screw up my system. I had already converted 20-such videos on my new machine, at 1h20m (and then I slightly overclocked the CPU and got to the new 1h8m time) until this happened.
If needed, I will do a complete, fresh reinstall of Windows on my new X2/5600 machine, to resolve this, although I was hoping not to go that time-consuming a route.

It sounds like your somewhat on track, but only you know your system.
A re-install of the OS shouldn't be necessary.
Your previous conversions were using Divx Version xxxxx. What version?
Now, the new conversions are taking alot longer, what version is being used?
You never responded whether you have more than one version of Divx on your computer. Do you have those Divx.dll"s I pointed out?

Did you have Divx installed at all on the computer when it was working properly? Or, was MF6 using the Divx codec that it provides when installing MF6.
Maybe un-installing the Divx codec packages you purchased, then re-install MF6 will bring the computer back, or perform a system restore to a point before installing the new Divx Codec Pack.

I know that when I bought Divx-Pro I only installed it and the Mpeg2 plugin. I didn't install all the other packages.

Also it might be a good idea to ask some questions on the Divx website.
The differences is Xvid is Mpeg-4 non-copyrighted open source codec.
Divx is a commercial licensed copyrighted codec.
After one installs Divx they can also playback Xvid encoded media, so there is a connection.

Steve's post:

"Normal" Video Editing programs can easily take 12 hours to convert that one hour video to MPEG2 and so you need to use a purpose built Divx to MPEG2 conversion

This is very true, I don't know why your previous conversions were going so fast.
Maybe your source videos are different?
As a test maybe try converting a previous file that didn't take long to convert. See if that file takes alot longer.

Hope you get it working.

zforray · Post by **zforray** » Sat Oct 06, 2007 12:20 am

Well, I am even more confused. It seems there is a "DivX" not to be confused with "DivX" ....let me "explain".

I decided to try some system restores first (I just built this system and hadn't installed much so redoing things wasn't that big of a deal). That not working, I decided to over-install Windows. Then I installed MF6+ and the SP2 patch (which I think may be the cause of some of these issues since the DivX icons and the prompt to upgrade to DivX 6.7 didn't appear until after installing SP2 - I will experiment more, shortly).

I loaded the 2-AVI files I was last working on. The "DivX Settings Manager" started flashing like crazy in the system tray, as it did before. After 1-hour into the conversion and only 4% done, I knew nothing had changed (maybe I should have completely erased the HD first ?).

I checked the "Media Clip Properties" on these two AVI and it says "DivX Codec". I then took your advice and loaded two of the older AVI. They say "DivX 5.1.1 Codec".

However, to confuse things even more, I think the reason it says "DivX" is because I have not installed the XviD codec and the SP2 patch installed a never version of DivX. The reason I came up with this is that on my old 4200 system (which also started acting up after installing SP2), where I have removed the DivX package and installed the XviD codec, these old clips say "DivX 5.1.1 Codec" while the newer ones say "XviD MPEG-4 Codec"

So, I reprocessed two of the earlier AVI on my new machine (both saying "DivX 5.1.1 codec") and it only took a little over 1hour to create a 1h24m DVD ISO, like it has in the past.

Next I am going to remove MF and reinstall it without SP2 and see if it makes any difference with the newer AVI....

So, is everyone totally confused ? I know I am ?

On a different topic, can someone get ULEAD to fix the crash you get if the AVI you import uses an audio codec that is not installed. After my reinstall, I forgot to install the AC3 codec. As soon as you click on BURN, MF crashes. A simple error messages would be helpful....not a hard crash...

etech6355 wrote:
It sounds like your somewhat on track, but only you know your system.
A re-install of the OS shouldn't be necessary.
Your previous conversions were using Divx Version xxxxx. What version?
Now, the new conversions are taking alot longer, what version is being used?
You never responded whether you have more than one version of Divx on your computer. Do you have those Divx.dll"s I pointed out?

Did you have Divx installed at all on the computer when it was working properly? Or, was MF6 using the Divx codec that it provides when installing MF6.
Maybe un-installing the Divx codec packages you purchased, then re-install MF6 will bring the computer back, or perform a system restore to a point before installing the new Divx Codec Pack.

I know that when I bought Divx-Pro I only installed it and the Mpeg2 plugin. I didn't install all the other packages.

Also it might be a good idea to ask some questions on the Divx website.
The differences is Xvid is Mpeg-4 non-copyrighted open source codec.
Divx is a commercial licensed copyrighted codec.
After one installs Divx they can also playback Xvid encoded media, so there is a connection.

Steve's post:
"Normal" Video Editing programs can easily take 12 hours to convert that one hour video to MPEG2 and so you need to use a purpose built Divx to MPEG2 conversion
This is very true, I don't know why your previous conversions were going so fast.
Maybe your source videos are different?
As a test maybe try converting a previous file that didn't take long to convert. See if that file takes alot longer.

Hope you get it working.

sjj1805 · Post by **sjj1805** » Sat Oct 06, 2007 12:34 am

Although they (deliberately) look the same DivX and Xvid are completely different codecs - albeit they do a similar job.

Think of it as a marketing ploy.
Microsoft is a worldwide and well known Company. So a bunch of computer programmers - possibly ex-employees - decide to create a rival company.
They might call it Mirosoft, Mikrosoft, Migrosoft or something so resembling the existing famous company, that people might buy theirs, either by misreading or due to misrepresentation.

etech6355 · Post by **etech6355** » Sat Oct 06, 2007 5:48 am

He is getting the analysis screen popping up. I remember also having this happen once and it was a choice when encoding to perform analysis and graphing when encoding, I think it also includes previewing.

I only encode to Divx as a final file, never the reverse.

zforray · Post by **zforray** » Wed Oct 10, 2007 4:00 am

Well, FWIW, after processing a dozen more of these XviD compressed AVI files at anywhere from 4-8 hours (for 2 - 1h24m), I am now back to "normal" and process 2-files at roughly 1h8m from start to ISO creation completion. I still don't understand why everyone else report taking 8-12 hours to "decode" DivX/XviD compressed files.

I did install the XviD codecs and removed the DivX control panel and such, eventhough I purchased DivX Pro. May play with it, later.

sjj1805 wrote:Although they (deliberately) look the same DivX and Xvid are completely different codecs - albeit they do a similar job.

Think of it as a marketing ploy.
Microsoft is a worldwide and well known Company. So a bunch of computer programmers - possibly ex-employees - decide to create a rival company.
They might call it Mirosoft, Mikrosoft, Migrosoft or something so resembling the existing famous company, that people might buy theirs, either by misreading or due to misrepresentation.

Zentron · Post by **Zentron** » Wed Oct 10, 2007 9:17 pm

Hmm, my DivX conversions usually take 6 hours in MF6+.... in comparison to 5 days in MF3(yes, you heard me right, 5 days). I need DivX, so I convert them all to XviD before I start, which takes an hour of the top time.

zforray · Post by **zforray** » Wed Oct 10, 2007 10:01 pm

You could always try the XviD codec, although I don't think it had anything to do with this. I think it was just a patch of badly converted files.

What machine/processor/memory are you running ?

Zentron wrote:Hmm, my DivX conversions usually take 6 hours in MF6+.... in comparison to 5 days in MF3(yes, you heard me right, 5 days). I need DivX, so I convert them all to XviD before I start, which takes an hour of the top time.

sjj1805 · Post by **sjj1805** » Wed Oct 10, 2007 11:43 pm

zforray wrote:.......
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zforray · Post by **zforray** » Thu Oct 11, 2007 2:02 am

Oops. Will do. However, when one has multiple machines like I do, which one should I post?

sjj1805 wrote:
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