Windows XP here to stay longer.

Devil · Post by **Devil** » Fri Sep 28, 2007 4:33 pm

Microsoft have announced they are keeping XP on the market longer until at least mid-2008. This is certainly because of the hundreds of applications, like MSP, that do not work, out of the box, with Vista.

skier-hughes · Post by **skier-hughes** » Fri Sep 28, 2007 4:39 pm

Which is what I keep saying

So long as you cna get drivers as well eh Devil

jpal · Post by **jpal** » Thu Oct 04, 2007 9:20 am

Could I also encourage consideration of XP x64 (the 64 bit edition of XP). I've recently got a cost effective workstation with quad core and 8G RAM based on XP x64. These days, that's not expensive, and if you're working with high definition content creation, it's great.
The really nice thing about it is that it will run almost all the existing apps including MSP8 (though not Cool3D for some reason). It is also pretty solid on the 64 bit drivers. Learning curve for the OS is minimal (mainly changes to permissions), and it's based on the Windows server code base. Security good, as you have buffer over-run protection with 64bit. I also run Vmware which hosts 32 bit XP, various servers and Linux. Vmware can capture USB which allows me to keep using my Nikon Coolscan IV scanner (which didn't have 64bit drivers).
I'm relying on this being well supported for 3 years, and I think that's pretty safe given the installed base. When I need to rebuild, I'll be looking at Macos, Linux or even Vista if they ever get that worthwhile.
If anyone would like more details, give me a shout.
Regards JB

ebone · Post by **ebone** » Fri Oct 12, 2007 8:18 pm

I just did a similar upgrade jpal. Upgraded my main cpu to quad and upgraded to xp64 to fully utilize my ram (4 G).

I've had a little trouble so far, mostly with my printer drivers. It's an HP but there's no official drivers. go figure.

But anyway, I actually now own Vista. I was able to (legally) get a XP32, XP64, and Vista business 32 (trying to figure if I can get the 64 upgrade)- all for $18. (that's right, there is no zero behind that

I created two "OS" partitions so I could have a dual boot-XP64 95% of the time and Vista for DX10 games,etc.

I know this has been debated intensely(on this board also) but the thing is Vista continues to be a miserable failure. I have no desire to even install it right now.

I know it was "common knowledge" how bad Vista was at launch. But for some reason now everyone says, "oh, it's gotten better" when it truly hasn't. It's as if they SAID it was going to get better and for some reason everyone accepted that as if it DID.

I'm sure someone will reply to this telling me how well Vista runs on their system blah, blah, blah. MY system will also run Vista "well". My system is a monster compared to the average cpu (quad core, 4 G ram, radeon 8800,etc). But for every person that says Vista runs well on their cpu, it would run that much more efficient on XP.

I am pretty heavy into games and all of the recent true life benchmarking is showing minimal to no (real world) visual improvements with DX10
while most of the time costing a major hit in performance (fps,etc.). My friends/clients who are working on integrating Vista in big corporations are giving bleak reports.

I could go on and on. Sorry for the rant. But I feel really bad for people who don't have the time or know-how to find/install XP drivers when they have to buy a new system where Vista is literally forced on them. Hail Microsoft!!

heinz-oz · Post by **heinz-oz** » Sat Oct 13, 2007 2:31 am

ebone wrote:...But anyway, I actually now own Vista. I was able to (legally) get a XP32, XP64, and Vista business 32 (trying to figure if I can get the 64 upgrade)- all for $18. (that's right, there is no zero behind that ...

What gives you the notion that these are legal copies? Mr. Gates has never been known to be that generous ...

ebone · Post by **ebone** » Sat Oct 13, 2007 4:59 am

Trust me. They're legal.

Mr. Gates knows how to 'convert them when they're young'. He's similar to a cultist.

He offers many unbelievable programs to different tech programs,etc. with young people involved. He/they know that if you get them started now on their product, then they will probably stay with their product.

I am able to get certain "props" because of what I do for some of the "students". Let's leave it at that.

I only bought Vista b/c the Vista portion of that deal was actually $5 believe it or not. It just goes to show when I say Vista for $5 isn't worth me installing yet. lol

Gorf · Post by **Gorf** » Sat Oct 13, 2007 11:25 am

heinz-oz wrote:What gives you the notion that these are legal copies? Mr. Gates has never been known to be that generous ...

Don't know about the operating systems, but my stepdaughter is able to get Office 2007 ultimate direct from Microsoft for ¢G12.95 per year or ¢G38.95 to "own". That's less than 10% the usual retail price

heinz-oz · Post by **heinz-oz** » Sat Oct 13, 2007 11:35 am

yes, just because she can get it at that price, it wouldn't be legal for you to use it

heinz-oz · Post by **heinz-oz** » Sat Oct 13, 2007 11:39 am

ebone wrote:Trust me. They're legal.

Mr. Gates knows how to 'convert them when they're young'. He's similar to a cultist.

He offers many unbelievable programs to different tech programs,etc. with young people involved. He/they know that if you get them started now on their product, then they will probably stay with their product.

I am able to get certain "props" because of what I do for some of the "students". Let's leave it at that.

I only bought Vista b/c the Vista portion of that deal was actually $5 believe it or not. It just goes to show when I say Vista for $5 isn't worth me installing yet. lol

It's neither here nor there if I trust you

It's none of my business either

Just wanted to make a point, that's all. I had no way of knowing that you work in an educational environment. Unless you fulfill the stipulations of the EULA, even though you were able to get it and install it, it would still not be legal for you to use it though

jpal · Post by **jpal** » Tue Oct 16, 2007 5:40 am

Also, if anyone who is upgrading machines is wondering about quad rather than 2 core, I can highly recommend the quad if you're doing content creation. Quite a few of the content apps use dual core and a couple now do quad (I imagine the list will increase over time) - if you add various OS tasks, AV and virtual machines to the mix, that's quad cores being consistently used and a responsive system.

Regards Johnny

Gorf · Post by **Gorf** » Tue Oct 16, 2007 9:40 am

heinz-oz wrote:yes, just because she can get it at that price, it wouldn't be legal for you to use it

I didn't suggest I was getting it for myself - I was just highlighting that some people can get MS products for a fraction of what the rest of us pay, so it's not usually a good idea to jump in and accuse someone of piracy when you don't really have grounds for it (yet).

As it happens, my wife was able to get a trimmed-down version of Office 2007 through the NHS (the UK's state health service). A triumph of style over substance, in my opinion: I'll be sticking to my ten-year-old copy of Office.

heinz-oz · Post by **heinz-oz** » Tue Oct 16, 2007 10:44 am

I didn't intend to accuse anybody, just pointed out a few "pitfalls" for unsuspecting, or otherwise, users

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Windows XP here to stay longer.

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