NTSC and PAL confusion

[skier-hughes]

You can certainly do it on the pc, but ... from that article........

I've never heard that dvds are made with a 24fps file which is interlaced and then made to go at 25 or 29.97 frames depending on whether the dvd player tells it to or not.

Whether a dvd player is region free or not has no bearing on whether it can play ntsc and pal files.

The article is full of errors.

Some NTSC and PAL differences.

The PAL or NTSC sequence is inherently different and wholly incompatible for historical reasons that date from the 1950s, so the data saved to a DV tape (or other medium) must reflect the means by which that data is configured at playback - 50 Hz, 60 Hz, 25 fps or 29.97 fps, number of original scanning lines (625 or 525) as converted to vertical pixels (576 or 480) etc. So the video sequence is a very complex animal, and that's why a PAL DV recording and an NTSC DV recording are inherently different - and wholly incompatible. If you wish to incorporate NTSC information into a PAL job, or vice-versa, you first need to standards-convert, which is in itself a complex process to do properly. There is also the way the chrominance, luminance, blackburst etc are carried.

You can change some of the things like the frame size and frame rate by using cheap software like tmpg, or even putting an ntsc file into a pal project in video editors, but ti doesn't do it properly.

[Raj]

Hi Lancecarr, Adrian and Graham

Thank you all very much for your help.

Lancecarr! Sorry about scant details that I gave. I have sony DCR HC 90 E, mini DV Cam. It is based on PAL system and I have checked it in the manual again.

It does connect to VCR and I have recorded some TV programmes as you mentioned. Interestingly, when I go back to PC and launch capture, the output (TV programme) shows in VS 11 all NTSC attributes.

I am afraid I can't record in Handicam, anything played on the tv, by the DVD player. but will give it another try and get back.


Adrian! I will go through the article and come up with feed back soon as possible.

But once again thanks all

p.s. any ideas why the pre-saved brief video clips that came with VS11 Plus, [V14 SS_OUr Baby_start.wmv] or [V13.wmv] etc, do not play in as normal vide clips when I click any of them in the library and press play in the preview vindow. It shows as if some effects/filters have been applied to them.

However, if I drag them on the time line and click the EFFECT tab, the same video clips, run pretty nicely as any clips shoudl do!

raj

[skier-hughes]

YOu may have a defective installation, it may pay you to toally un-install, remove all traces of VS and re-install it.

If you can record from the vcr to the camcorder, you will be able to do this with the dvd, so long as all are playing PAL signals. You can't record an ntsc dvd this way.

[lancecarr]

I just checked that conversion method using Ifoedit.
When VS parses the newly created pseudo PAL DVD it does recognise it as PAL from the IFO files.
HOWEVER it is as I suggested. Any file imported is then recognised as being NTSC because of the 29.97 frame rate, it does NOT convert the MPEGs.

On a conversion itself I fully endorse Graham's comments.

The ONLY conversion I have ever done successfuly was from Dv to DV using a purpose built converter. VS will do a conversion but you will get noticable jumps in panning shots or shots with motion.

[Raj]

Hi Graham

I bought VS 11+ after I downloaded its free demo version.. ran it for some days and went for the purchase.

When I first installed the prog, in the VS folder 11.0, I saw some of the clips that I had made from the demo version (My fault that I did not erase the demo version from my pc and straight away installed from the DISC that came in the box.). It was then that I knew that it had not deleted the demo version files/folders.

A couple of days ago I changed names of some of the VSP files and some clips that I had made. It then started giving messeges that some clips are not linked. I deleted most of the files (some I am still unable to do because apprently there are shared) but these messages did not stop.

I then removed the entire VS11+ from my pc, reinstalled it but even then those previous folders/files were there.. Surprised at this, I again removed the entire VS plus, windvd etc, from the system, scanned hard drive and removed any thing manually that had something to do with ulead or vs... After reinstalling the software, those issues went away but the pre saved clips do not run normally in the preview mode.

Do you advise i do the installation once more?

I would try to record on the handicam the DVD stuff as you said and come back.

best

raj

[lancecarr]

Try a clean uninstall here:
http://phpbb.ulead.com.tw/EN/viewtopic. ... 5773#55773

It is for VS10 but most of it will be the same.

[Raj]

Hi Lencecarr

Uninstalled everything strictly in accordance with the link you gave and reinstalled the software. However, the problem remains.

Pre-saved video clips in the library of VS 11 + won't play as they should when I click any of them and hit the play button in the preview window. As I previously said what happens is that they play in a kind of revese effect...like greens and reds and yellows and others colours over silhouettes.

If I drag them to timeline, still they play abnormally...however, if I hit effect tab (while the ulead video clip is in timeline), automatically FILM is slected and the clips palys like it has been made. STRANGE! Any suggestions will be great help

best
raj

[lancecarr]

Can you "right click" on one of those strange clips and post the "properties" back here so we can see what they are?

[Clevo]

Raj.... Ive seen that type of effect when NTSC video is played in a PAL Sony J3 machine at work.

Would be interesting to see the properties of the video.

[Raj]

Hi Lancecarr and Clevo

Here are the properties of the preset vido clip. This one is particulary for V14

File Format: Windows Media video
File Size: 786 KB
Duration: 9.909 Seconds
Data Rate: 654 kbps
Video: Windows Media video 9
24 bits, 720X480, 29.470 fames/s
Aspect Ratio: 1.50 : 1.00

[Raj]

And Clevo and Lancecarr.

Here is an intersting fact.

I uninstalled vs 11 Plus exactly following the link instructions that Lacecarr sent me for a "clean uninstall."

I reinstalled the programme yesterday and loo! (the trial clips that I had edited a couple of days ago and saved in 11.0 folder are all back in the that folder . All of them!
I thought the process would have deleted everything the programme had before I removed it. Why is that ? And maybe this is the reason of my VS running rather slow as well.

raj

[Clevo]

Hi Lancecarr and Clevo

Here are the properties of the preset vido clip. This one is particulary for V14

File Format: Windows Media video
File Size: 786 KB
Duration: 9.909 Seconds
Data Rate: 654 kbps
Video: Windows Media video 9
24 bits, 720X480, 29.470 fames/s
Aspect Ratio: 1.50 : 1.00

This video is very a compressed. Difficult to edit with at the best of times.

Where did you source the video with those specs?

[Raj]

Hi Clevo

Actually this video clip has come with the VS 11 plus version. These clips are in the VS library and are not running properly at my end.

best
raj

[Clevo]

Hi Clevo

Actually this video clip has come with the VS 11 plus version. These clips are in the VS library and are not running properly at my end.

best
raj

Wow...ok. I removed them from my library when I installed VS11+. I didn;t think I would have any need for them.

May I ask what you are using them for?

[Raj]

Hello Clevo

I am not at all using them for any thing. It was only an irritant that came to my notice only accidentally.. So I thought maybe the programme has not been properly uninstalled and then reinstalled. nothing else

best
raj