[Help] DV - DVD

[uncle_joe]

I attended a wedding a taped 2 dv tape (1 hour each)

i would like to have these two hours (1:55 to be exact) on one 4.7gb dvd ..

what setting is the most effective with regards to video quality ...

i will be transferring my data via Firewire ..

I am a total newbie when it comes to video editing .. just bought ulead vs 11

from what i read on this forum so far .. i know i have to set the project properties as AVI and not MPEG ..sound quality should be dolby..

with regards to the project properties setting .. would it affect only when editing and final output or will it affect the quality of video when imported via firewire ?

what setting would u guys choose if you want 1:55 hours of video on one single layer dvd .. ??

[vampire101]

i am assuming that you wish to create a DVD that could be played on a standalone player. if this is so, based on the length of your video, the maximum video bitrate you could use is i think 4000 kbps. as for the audio, 192 kbps would be fine. i suggest you to read this forum thread: http://phpbb.ulead.com.tw/EN/viewtopic.php?p=60393 for additional information on what video bitrate to use to achieve the best possible quality for your video.

http://homepage.ntlworld.com/gareth.har ... trates.xls
this excel file was created by one of the forum members and it also contains information on what bitrate you could use to have the best quality possible for your 1:55 hours of video.

with regards to the project properties setting .. would it affect only when editing and final output or will it affect the quality of video when imported via firewire?

the project properties settings you set for your project will not affect the quality of the video when imported via firewire, but it will affect the quality of the final output of the video (after the editing and rendering)

[uncle_joe]

ok here is the tricky part ..

in the project properties i selected "ms avi files" then i clicked edit ..and on the AVI tab .. its giving me loads of compression methods .. which one should i choose ? also it does not allow me to choose dolby sound anymore !!! so which sound to go for ? since i wont be using LPCM !

also in the excel file mentioned above ... Average video bitrate is 4273 and Maximum video bitrate is 6808 !!

what should i select ... VBR or CBR ?

if i choose DV video encoder type1 it wont allow me to enter video bit rate !!

so confused right now !!

i cannot select MPEG instead of AVI because i will risk losing video quality !! correct me if i am wrong ..

what are your settings ..


thank you

[vampire101]

4000 vbr or cbr ?

it would be better if you would use cbr.

t cannot be any higher ? considering i wont be using LPCM which uses a lot of disk space ?

you could set it i think a little over 4000. try and set it a little higher than 4000, VS has the ability to estimate the output file size of your DVD. on the create disc window, at the lowest part of the window, you would see a bar that estimates the output file size of your project based on your project settings. try and change the settings and see whether the settings you choose will still output a DVD that would fit a 4.7 GB DVD

[uncle_joe]

sorry for reposting - i edited above comment instead of posting a new comment ..

ok here is the tricky part ..

in the project properties i selected "ms avi files" then i clicked edit ..and on the AVI tab .. its giving me loads of compression methods .. which one should i choose ? also it does not allow me to choose dolby sound anymore !!! so which sound to go for ? since i wont be using LPCM !

also in the excel file mentioned above ... Average video bitrate is 4273 and Maximum video bitrate is 6808 !!

what should i select ... VBR or CBR ?

if i choose DV video encoder type1 it wont allow me to enter video bit rate !!

so confused right now !!

i cannot select MPEG instead of AVI because i will risk losing video quality !! correct me if i am wrong ..

what are your settings ..

[vampire101]

i cannot select MPEG instead of AVI because i will risk losing video quality !! correct me if i am wrong ..

what are your settings ..

yes, you would loose some quality if you choose MPEG since it is a format that compresses videos. if you selected AVI, this means that you don't want to create a DVD that is playable on standalone players? what is it that you want to do with the videos you have? cause if you select avi, this means that you only wish to write it on a DVD as a data file.

[uncle_joe]

ok i get it .. choosing avi only when saving as data file ...

and mpeg for those stand alone dvd players !!

why would someone save it as data file ? backup purposes?

thank you for ur time

[Ken Berry]

Let's establish something else first. Are you going to do any editing of all that video, or are you going to burn it as it is, with every cough and stumble and camera occasionally left on pointing at the floor or filming something totally uninteresting? Or are you going to cut bits of it, re-arrange the order in parts, add transitions, add any voice-over comments, add background music for continuity?

At the end of the day, how many people -- even the bride and groom -- are really going to sit through nearly two hours of video. They are more likely to fast-forward to all the interesting bits. That is essentially the question you have to ask yourself before beginning to edit any project -- where are the interesting bits? Here endeth the lecture.

Anyway, if you intend to edit, including some cuts and deletions of bits, you are talking then about less than the original 1 hour 55 minutes. And frankly, if you want better quality, then if using a single layer DVD, the less the length of the video, then the higher the bitrate you can use and thus the higher the quality of the final DVD.

You obviously already know about the size of files produced by LPCM audio. So using one of the more compressed audio formats such as Dolby will allow you to fit more on a disc or, again, if you reduce the length of the video, then you can again raise the video bitrate a bit more and increase the quality yet again. I normally use a Dolby bitrate of 256 kbps and get good quality from it that way, though you could -- as Vampire suggested -- reduce that a bit and squeeze just a tad more on or up the video bitrate just that bit more.

While CBR might notionally give you better quality, VBR normally would again reduce the size of the final file, so using it, you might again be able to raise the maximum video bitrate by just that much more.

As it is, if you want absolutely -- no ifs no buts -- to fit the whole 1 h 55m on the disc, then with Dolby audio (or mpeg layer 2), I would guess that you would need to use a video bitrate of around 4500 kbps or less. (Sorry I don't have a bitrate calculator readily to hand so I can't work it out exactly for you... ) That would give you average quality -- similar to that of a VHS tape perhaps. That may be quite acceptable to you.

However, if, say, you reduced the overall length to around 1 hour 30 minutes, you could use a video bitrate of around 6000 kbps and your DVD quality would be quite good.

[uncle_joe]

so if i want my 1:55 mins video on the dvd for the dvd player ..

i choose MPEG .. then click edit ..

go to "general" tab ... choose25 frames (PAL) ;lower field first ; 704*576 ; 4:3

go to "compression" tab

for speed/quality is "70" ok ?or can i go higher ?

for video data rate i choose constant and type in say 4500 ..

for sound i choose dolby 192..

is this what you would be if u were in my place ?

[uncle_joe]

wow, thank you for your time explaining it to me in details .. . i got it straight away ..

Let's establish something else first. Are you going to do any editing of all that video, or are you going to burn it as it is, with every cough and stumble and camera occasionally left on pointing at the floor or filming something totally uninteresting? Or are you going to cut bits of it, re-arrange the order in parts, add transitions, add any voice-over comments, add background music for continuity?

At the end of the day, how many people -- even the bride and groom -- are really going to sit through nearly two hours of video. They are more likely to fast-forward to all the interesting bits. That is essentially the question you have to ask yourself before beginning to edit any project -- where are the interesting bits? Here endeth the lecture.

Anyway, if you intend to edit, including some cuts and deletions of bits, you are talking then about less than the original 1 hour 55 minutes. And frankly, if you want better quality, then if using a single layer DVD, the less the length of the video, then the higher the bitrate you can use and thus the higher the quality of the final DVD.

You obviously already know about the size of files produced by LPCM audio. So using one of the more compressed audio formats such as Dolby will allow you to fit more on a disc or, again, if you reduce the length of the video, then you can again raise the video bitrate a bit more and increase the quality yet again. I normally use a Dolby bitrate of 256 kbps and get good quality from it that way, though you could -- as Vampire suggested -- reduce that a bit and squeeze just a tad more on or up the video bitrate just that bit more.

While CBR might notionally give you better quality, VBR normally would again reduce the size of the final file, so using it, you might again be able to raise the maximum video bitrate by just that much more.

As it is, if you want absolutely -- no ifs no buts -- to fit the whole 1 h 55m on the disc, then with Dolby audio (or mpeg layer 2), I would guess that you would need to use a video bitrate of around 4500 kbps or less. (Sorry I don't have a bitrate calculator readily to hand so I can't work it out exactly for you... ) That would give you average quality -- similar to that of a VHS tape perhaps. That may be quite acceptable to you.

However, if, say, you reduced the overall length to around 1 hour 30 minutes, you could use a video bitrate of around 6000 kbps and your DVD quality would be quite good.