Subtitle information lost

[Rager01]

I'm not able to get subtitle information when I capture via DV.
I use FB6 plus, and Firewire. In the capture menu I chose AVI. Then I capture. The I go back to the main menu and choose the subtitle menu. But only the filename I can use. Only 1 times it works but now I try and try and didn't get the subtitle information. What do I make wrong?

[DVDDoug]

Captured from what? A VHS tape? A broadcast?

I assume you are talking about "closed captions for the hearing impared". These are embedded in the video, and are usually lost when the video is encoded or re-coded. Closed captions are turned on & off from the TV's remote control.

I think there may be ways to capture them separately to a text file, but I don't know the details of how it's done or what hardware/software is used...

And, I believe you can capture them as "open captions" (always displayed), if they are turned-on during capture.

"DVD subtitles" are stored on the DVD as subpictures (not as text). When they are turned-off there is no way to "capture" them, because they don't exist in the video stream. DVD subtitles are turned on & off from the DVD's remote control (and/or from the DVD menu).

Again, you should be able to capture them as open captions (with analog capture) if they are turned-on during capture.

[Rager01]

I capture from MiniDV Camcorder. The problem only exists when I capture to AVI. Then there are no subtitles (recording date, time). When I capture to MPEG, the subtitles are captured. What is wrong?

[snoops]

Then there are no subtitles (recording date, time).

That data is not referred to as "subtitles", which made your post impossible to understand. And "subtitle" options refer to subtitles, not the display of datecode.

The DV data over firewire does contain the datecode, but the camcorder does not put the display of the date/time into the DV video data. It only shows it on its screen and/or the analog output and/or other output (like MPEG, if available in your model).

You need a video editing software that has a filter or option to blend in the datecode, or use a tool like DVdate

[sjj1805]

For further reading:
Closed Captioning FAQ

In particular:

What's the difference between subtitles and captions?

Generally speaking, subtitles are intended for hearing audiences and captions for deaf audiences. Subtitles may translate the dialog into a different language, but rarely show all of the audio. For example, captions show sound effects (e.g., "phone ringing" and "footsteps"), while subtitles don't.

[Rager01]

sorry, my English isn't so understandable good.
I did't mean that I want the date/time code put in the AVI file. I wonder why MF6 didn't make a subtitle file (is it the *.upd file???) when I record from my Camcorder to AVI.
Once again: when I record to MPEG then I can use the date/time as a subtitle after recording. When I record to AVI then the information isn't there.
Background: When I have a camcorder tape (MiniDV) with many scenes from many dates then it's difficult the cut the scenes when a new date is coming (you have to look for the cutting place). When I have subtitles (date/time of the original record) then I can easily see where I have to cut.
And because of good quality I want to capture to AVI and render later in better quality after the capturing (and not during the capturing).

[Ron P.]

Since DMF6 is primarily a DVD authoring application, it does not offer what VS or MSP does, which are primarily Video Editing applications. In VS there is an option located in the preferences to Show the DV date/time stamp. I think that is what you're needing, which is not available in DMF6.

However you can get close to that.. (Click on the Images to Enlarge)

1. Click on the Edit Subtitle.



2. At the top-left you see the File Information, File Name, Date, Time, and Exif Data for Images. I would uncheck the File Name, and check the Date and Time.


That should superimpose the Date and Time information. This is the actual date and time the video was recorded.


3. Now you can move the playhead, or play the video clip until you reach the date and/or time that you need to make a cut. Then using the scissors tool (arrow pointing towards) cut the clip. Notice the different times in this and the previous screenshots.

[Rager01]

that is clear. But like you descriped (with pictures) it only works when I capture to MPEG.
When I choose AVI then I can only select "File name" but not Date or Time. Because this information isn't transmitted with AVI as destination file type. Why?

[GeorgeW]

Then there are no subtitles (recording date, time).

That data is not referred to as "subtitles", which made your post impossible to understand. And "subtitle" options refer to subtitles, not the display of datecode.

I wouldn't say "impossible to understand" -- the OP is simply using the name of the function within MF6 -- EDIT SUBTITLE... -- and the function is also used to display the datecode (as a subtitle) within MF6+.

I'm not able to get subtitle information when I capture via DV.
I use FB6 plus, and Firewire. In the capture menu I chose AVI. Then I capture. The I go back to the main menu and choose the subtitle menu. But only the filename I can use. Only 1 times it works but now I try and try and didn't get the subtitle information. What do I make wrong?

The time you got it to work -- was it with a dv .avi that you captured using MF6 (btw, I am assuming FB6 = MF6), or was it a capture done in a different program?

There seems to be an issue with the MF6 capture utility -- I am getting the same results that you are. If I capture directly to mpeg, I can select the date/time info, but if I capture directly to dv .avi, I can only select the filename


Regards,
George

[snoops]

Hi,

the OP is simply using the name of the function within MF6

I didn't know about that MF6 option. My MF5+ doesn't have it.

a camcorder tape (MiniDV) with many scenes from many dates then it's difficult the cut the scenes

You can simply let the automatic scene detection of your video editor do it, if it has this option, which can automatically separate the scenes according to the datecode in the DV AVI file.
You can also use Scenalyzer or AVcutty.

[Ron P.]

IF it is DMF6's capture utility then try using another, like WinDV. For the screenshots I used DV-AVI captured with VS10+ or possibly VS9. Since it was not captured with DMF6, I'm able to select any or all of the options.

[etech6355]

Guys,
If it helps:
This IS a new feature in MF6+
The program remembers/records the date/time of the videos and uses this information as a sub-title on the dvd. No embedding, it's in the multi-plexed VOB files.

I capture from MiniDV Camcorder. The problem only exists when I capture to AVI. Then there are no subtitles (recording date, time). When I capture to MPEG, the subtitles are captured. What is wrong?

That's the new feature in MF6+.
I haven't tried using it because it didn't seem to work (I was capturing dv.avi and also HDV).

[GeorgeW]

Guys,
If it helps:
This IS a new feature in MF6+
The program remembers/records the date/time of the videos and uses this information as a sub-title on the dvd. No embedding, it's in the multi-plexed VOB files.

I capture from MiniDV Camcorder. The problem only exists when I capture to AVI. Then there are no subtitles (recording date, time). When I capture to MPEG, the subtitles are captured. What is wrong?

That's the new feature in MF6+.
I haven't tried using it because it didn't seem to work (I was capturing dv.avi and also HDV).

I encourage people to actually TRY the function in MF6+

1) use a DV .avi captured outside of MF6
2) use a DV .avi captured within MF6
3) use a dv-to-mpeg capture from within MF6

Try all three of those using the EDIT SUBTITLE function within MF6+

You should then understand what the OP is talking about...

Regards,
George

[Ron P.]

GeorgeW,

I just ran a little test on this, and do see what the OP is talking about.

1. Transfered DV file from camcorder using DMF6+, straight to MPEG2 format.

2. Went directly to Edit Subtitles, and was able to insert the subtitles onto the video file. Appeared as though it was working correctly.

3. Went to the Edit Room, to add 2 color clips and some text. I received the warning about the Subtitles will be reset. Clicked OK, would come back to add the subtitles.

4. Returned from #3, to Edit Subtitles, and now it is not available.

5. Deleted thumbnail from Storyboard, then went to Insert Video, and re-inserted the captured clip.

6. Went to Edit Subtitles, and again was able to access the subtitle information.

7. To conclude I was able to repeat this process of loosing the subtitle option once I tried to edit the video clip.

[GeorgeW]

Hi Ron,

Did you try DV .avi's (Step#1 and Step #2 in my post)

Regards,
George